To think a second lockdown is right?

[Plentyofshit]

I don’t think we are comparable to Sweden. A few months ago Europe thought Sweden had got it wrong, now people think they’ve got it right. We may change our minds again about Sweden in a few months time, what if their infection rate rises again?
Sweden are culturally and geographically very different to the UK. Sweden had no lockdown, but guidelines were in place and adhered to.

I think we are comparable to Spain. Their situation proves the lag effect, and their death rate is now rising.
This is just the start, where will we be next March?
For every 1 death, 20 more need hospitalisation. How will our NHS cope?
So should the priority be - the deaths/serious complications/NHS crisis for tens of thousands of people - or the damage to our jobs and economy.
Labour support a second lockdown.

Some restrictions yes but not a lockdown.

People’s mental health won’t cope - maybe yours is ok but not everyone but a long shot.

Also the economy- which has a knock on effect on mental health - won’t cope. Work places and businesses have done a lot of work on becoming more COVID safe since March so they don’t need to close completely.

And schools must stay open. Children need their education and another huge block of time off won’t be easily recoverable.

I'll have one. But this time, it's my turn to be furloughed 😁👍

No lockdown!!!! Who the hell will pay for the NHS when we’ve all lost our jobs, our homes, riddled with debt and bad mental health.

If you think you're comparable to Spainiver Sweden, I agree with you. It seems that Britain's covid journey seems to lag a fortnight or so behind Spain's.

So, some good news! I'm in Spain and following local news as well as British. Indications are that, apart from in Madrid, numbers are starting to fall, they're talking with growing hope about having peaked the second wave. Madrid has recently implemented local travel restrictions.

link in Spanish

So I disagree, a second lockdown would be overly drastic.

@TheDuchessofMalfy A dire economy will impact mental health along with coping with the death/long term health complications of family members.

Depends on the weather forecast - if we have a mild wet autumn then respiratory infections will increase generally.

But agree with @blubberball - I worked the last one!

@QuentinInQuarantino That’s great news! The last I read here is that your hospitals are reaching saturation point. But that’s not the case?

Well there quite clearly isn't going to be one according to the statement in Parliament just now.

@Plentyofshit exactly, that’s what I’m saying. There’s a balance to be struck.

Well he has just announced a tightening of restrictions for now not a full lockdown yet

No more lockdown. The economy has suffered enough, people have suffered enough. If anything, the hospitals should get back to normal quicker, too many health problems have been ignored or left untreated for no good reason.

I think HEAVY fines and stricter restrictions but no full lockdown will work better.

Office workers who have very efficiently work from home: stay home.
Schools stay open.
Soft plays... FFS close down, sorry for the staff but come on.
Private gatherings: fine.

Start charging for tests! Even if the cost is not fully covered, WHO is going to pay for them eventually? If work and schools etc need to see test results to accept people, they will have to get them done, and suck up the cost. It's all coming out of our tax eventually anyway.

No lockdown. Covid is not the only threat - poverty kills, depression kills. We have to offer the utmost protection to the vulnerable (offer, not impose) and find a way to live with this.

A second lockdown would be disastrous. What would be much more effective is clear rules based on safety rather than on keeping office landlords happy. ‘Work from home if you can’ is being presented as new advice today. It isn’t new - it was advice that made sense and is only being reintroduced now because people were encouraged back to work because they weren’t spending enough at Pret or paying to use the Tube

Yes, I wish people would stop comparing England to Sweden, it has over 5,000 deaths in a country that is sparsely populated outside of Stockholm.
Their Neighbours in Denmark and Norway have had deaths that are in the hundreds and they have had lockdown, are now opening but continue to measure the R ratings.

I will follow any restrictions to avoid a lockdown! School, businesses must stay open.

Spain’s cases are falling, so let’s hope we’re following them hey?

@ilovesooty

Well there quite clearly isn't going to be one according to the statement in Parliament just now.

Actually, I thought both Boris and Keir Starmer definitely put out the fact that a second national lockdown wasn't out of the question, for the first time in a good while.

Very much ... 'if we don't do these things now, second lockdown is where we're heading'.

[quote Plentyofshit]@QuentinInQuarantino That’s great news! The last I read here is that your hospitals are reaching saturation point. But that’s not the case?[/quote]
It's varying enormously.

Basically Madrid has some satellite districts which are poorer and full of lots of immigrants and younger working age people and living in high rises and having to use public transport to get i not o the city, those districts have high case loads. The current busiest hospital is in one of those zones and it as 90%. Madrid makes up 1/3 of all cases.

The second worst places are actually doing quite well. The Basque Country which was an early second wave place now has an R rate of 0.98 and 350 covid patients in hospital across the entire region. And it's fewer than yesterday

Madrid has a big problem. But the international press is treating the capital as the country (just as they do with London!)

Labour support a second lockdown.

Do they?

Sir Keir said a second national lockdown would be a “sign of government failure, not an act of God” that would take an “immense toll” on public health and the economy.

No lockdown. Covid is not the only threat - poverty kills, depression kills. We have to offer the utmost protection to the vulnerable (offer, not impose) and find a way to live with this.

Wish mumsnet had a like button for comments like that.

@SantaClaritaDiet start charging for tests?!? Wow this is the single worst comment I’ve read!! Spoken from a massive position of privilege obviously. Some people can not afford them!! How about parents with kids who need to get tested every month or so because you know.. children do get coughs,, and it is a rule of the school?? What about the poor people who have lost their jobs!! Disgusting comment. Face coverings should also have been made free the day they became mandatory.

He's not locking down for now (assuming that his speech in the commons is accurate)

No they don’t!

Labour don’t want a lockdown. They said they support the new measures today. I’m happy with them too, sensible, allows businesses to stay open and allows people to meet with small groups of others still.