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To think that 70% should not be an A

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Arealmanithink · 21/09/2020 16:15

Background: I'm American. Grading is different in the US. In the US, the scoring goes , 89-100% = A, 79-89% = B, 69-79% =C anything below 65% is failing. I don't think the school work is that different but I do think that the standards are lower in the UK. I'm amazed.

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Weave · 22/09/2020 09:36

@remainin

???

Afibtomyboy · 22/09/2020 12:41

@Weave

I’ve had this conversation with a German person before.

In humanities subjects (as an example and because that was my area) in the UK 70% is a first, while 80%+ is exceptional and 90-100% matches very highest academic quality in the field & is publishable standard.

So, the percentages were abstracted via qualitative criteria to represent a much wider spectrum of quality than anyone was expected to achieve. It wasn’t like a spelling test where there are 100 questions and your mark is how many of those answers you got right.

It allows for the possibility you will write something groundbreaking.

This makes very little sense to me!
Londonmummy66 · 22/09/2020 14:49

We had American students at uni they arrived all clean livin & returned home in quite an altered state. Found the bar and were never the same again

^ Sounds like they got a good all round education then...

TaraR2020 · 22/09/2020 14:52

I understand that UK education requires more from students than the same age group in the states. For example, when leaving school, post A levels, in the UK a student has attained a high enough standard to enter into 2nd year US universities. The UK is also much stronger at teaching critical reading and essays - US students starting university in the UK usually have to be taught this, even at masters level.

SomeonesMum123 · 22/09/2020 16:17

I went to school in the UK (high school) and then Uni in the US (Ivy league so definitely should be up there in terms of difficulty), however I found that it wasn't very challenging compared to my A Levels. For one, I got university credits for my A levels because the accept that they are that tough, secondly, there was A LOT of multiple choice (not all, of course, but even in essay based subjects there were sections that were multiple choice so easier to score points). Additionally, there ALWAYS seemed to be "extra credit" on offer, which I had never even heard of! So even if my average had been a 70, I had a chance to bump it up to an 80 based on some random assignment I had the choice to do, which is practically unheard of here in the UK! I saw some of what my friends had done in high school and it looked so simple! They way they explained it, often in "elective" classes, they had a mix of classes so a 14 year old and an 18 year old could potentially be in the same class, therefore they went with the lowest common denominator. Of course, most people did what they called "advanced placement" courses but this wasn't the entirety of their workload so they could really concentrate on those tougher classes without worrying about the easier ones. Hope that helps!

Weave · 22/09/2020 16:17

@Afibtomyboy

Which bit don’t you get? (Genuine question, not meant sarcastically or anything!)

corythatwas · 22/09/2020 17:00

This makes very little sense to me!

So in history instead of being asked "When was the battle of Hastings" you will given quite a complex essay topic like "How important was the 10th century reform of the monastic system for William the Conqueror's success in establishing control over England." It will be up to you to find the historical sources and decide what they prove.

If you're clever enough, you might find a new source and come up with something professional historians have never thought of, something that can be published and will transform the way historians look at this period. In a sense, there is no upper limit. Hasten to add that this seldom happen- though I did read one history dissertation last year (sadly not a student of mine) which looked as if it could be published straight off.

Afibtomyboy · 22/09/2020 17:43

@corythatwas

This makes very little sense to me!

So in history instead of being asked "When was the battle of Hastings" you will given quite a complex essay topic like "How important was the 10th century reform of the monastic system for William the Conqueror's success in establishing control over England." It will be up to you to find the historical sources and decide what they prove.

If you're clever enough, you might find a new source and come up with something professional historians have never thought of, something that can be published and will transform the way historians look at this period. In a sense, there is no upper limit. Hasten to add that this seldom happen- though I did read one history dissertation last year (sadly not a student of mine) which looked as if it could be published straight off.

Thank you
nosswith · 22/09/2020 17:51

Irony of someone from the US talking about percentages from a country where 44% is a majority, or was in 2016.

unmarkedbythat · 22/09/2020 18:50

@nosswith

Irony of someone from the US talking about percentages from a country where 44% is a majority, or was in 2016.
Well yes, but look at us- just under 44% of people voted Tory and they have a commons majority of 80 :(
1940s · 22/09/2020 20:39

I studied in the US and the UK and then US classes were significantly easier. Most University papers were measured by pages ie a 10 page essay rather than word count. This was easy to manipulate with large fonts and borders. There were more group projects too which allowed for some to not pull their weight yet still gain a high mark. The referencing on essays was much sloppier in the US too.

1940s · 22/09/2020 20:41

Oh yes I forgot about multiple choice! I never sat a multiple choice test in the UK but sat lots in the US university

SimonJT · 22/09/2020 20:42

@1940s

Oh yes I forgot about multiple choice! I never sat a multiple choice test in the UK but sat lots in the US university
I did sit one multiple choice university exam (but it didn’t count towards my module percentage), it was negatively marked so anything left blank/wrong gained me -1.
LuckyBitches · 22/09/2020 21:07

I work at a top 5 UK uni. Students rarely get a mark above 80%. Standards are not lower here. I went to uni in the UK and USA, it was much easier to get an a grade there, regardless of the percentage equivalent.

GetThatHelmetOn · 23/09/2020 07:41

Agree it was much much easier to get an A in the US, you just needed to remember what have been told in class, while in the UK that would only get you a 60%. More depth and creative/ independent thinking is expected in the U.K. for an A rather than just parroting what you were told in class.

Danglingmod · 23/09/2020 07:53

Just "remembering what you'd been taught" wouldn't get you anywhere near 60% at GCSE, A level or degree in the UK. It's all about the analysis and applying what you know. To get a pass a GCSE is difficult if you only have a "good memory."

BiBabbles · 23/09/2020 09:32

Not really showing the US system proud if you think the OP can be seen as an 'innocent question'. Also, really surprised it took 15 years when issues around grades (letter or numerical) are so often in the news.

I also found the grading system confusing when I moved from here from the States, though comparing between US districts has its own difficulties before comparing with any part of the UK. The systems are just too different. Any flips between the systems are going to be more on individual circumstances rather than anything definitive about the systems as the disjointed whole they are.

I don't get the assumption that it means standards are low though -- especially not with the on-going conversation in the States and data on US grade inflation that's been going on for a good couple of decades now. It's in an entirely different league compared to what's commonly discussed with GCSEs and A-levels (and even less with other qualifications). The same differences can be found when comparing between different US districts that use different grading systems. The same competitiveness about ranking can be found in many parts of the US (which is one of the factors in why schools in well-to-do areas have a higher rate of grade inflation in the US than other schools - parents push for it, less easy to do that in any of the UK systems with more outside grading than common in the US). Also, the same defensiveness, though actually I find Americans far more defensive, especially about people outside of an area, calling something low standard. Far quicker on the 'don't like it leave/glad you left' than anything seen here.

Also, the definition of "good university" is subjective, it depends on what one wants out of a university, the subject (I know there were some claims earlier this year that the COVID changes to the system were going to be the death to old poly-techs, but in some subjects, they're among the top institutions), and many other factors. Yeah, there are a lot of really competitive schools in both the US and UK that require a shit-ton of qualifications to have the slightest chance, but there are good schools that don't have as many requirements or are more willing to bend them on interview or supplement information for someone who doesn't hit all the grades or test scores. High specific requirements and rigidity on them doesn't automatically equal better, I think the push for kids to need to do all the things to jump through hoops is a detriment to young people and education and this so much worse in the US. I graduated high school with someone who went to Yale and someone who went and now teaches at Harvard medical school and...if that's high standard living, I'm quite happy not to be there and not put my kids through it.

Mcnotty · 08/12/2020 10:57

@TableFlowerss

As pp have explained, it’s not comparable. Take degrees - to get the highest classification you need 70% but most people don’t get that score as it’s incredibly difficult.

Most people fall between 60-69% and get a 2:1 and are chuffed to bits with their score. This is true for top University’s too (Russell Group - comparable to your Ivy League)

There is absolutely no way that students who get 90% etc in the US, would get anywhere near that here! The grading systems aren’t comparable like for like and you’ve placed far too much value on the percentage.

It’s more likely that 90-100% in the US is equal to 70-80% at the most.

Did you think we’re just all ‘thick’?!HmmGrin

Grin the OP’s conclusion to the grading system in both countries is what you get when you’ve been schooled to much in objective questions rather than analytical thinking.
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