To wonder what the ‘sweeping new measures’ will be?

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As covered widely in the media, Boris Johnson is now said to be considering ‘sweeping new measures’ for the whole UK, sooner rather than later. What do people think these will be? No mixing between households? Pubs closed at 10pm?

Tell us about the research that's led you to these other conclusions, then, @Redwine125, and what sources you've found that are convincing you.

Pubs and bars to close, restaurants 10pm curfew, leisure facilities to close (gyms, soft play etc.) WFH if you’re employees can. No mixing between households socially.

There’s no way they’ll do a two week break

Why bother? All that will close is schools

Most workplaces etc will be open as not all parents take half term off or can get it

Schools only just gone back so safe to say current rises are not massively due to kids

Rise is pure numbers. Nothing to do with people not wearing masks or distancing - that’s just encouraging us to blame each other

The virus was always going to come back when majority went back to work

Most people I know cannot distance at work and aren’t doing so

People are back at gyms theme parks etc

Even if everyone followed the rules the view would still spread!

Two weeks would be pointless as schools a not the main contributor

One definite thing they could do is compile a list of definite medical conditions that mean people are exempt from wearing a mask, & issue exemption paperwork. Anyone else would need to be considered individually. And ensure people can actually access this, i.e. through a GP or any other reasonable method, fairly quickly. There needs to be some way to prevent people from refusing to wear masks "because reasons" which they won't go into because they don't actually exist. Or because they think it's a "Plandemic" which I've seen all over SM in the last few days...

They could also do far more to support people who are stuck at home for whatever reason. Instead of advertising for people to find out who is breaking local lockdown, they should be advertising for more community support workers so people aren't forced to break the rules.

Countries which have rigorously enforced mask wearing, have done far better.

This government is making the most ungodly hash of it all.

@Ginogineli

There’s no way they’ll do a two week break

Why bother? All that will close is schools

Most workplaces etc will be open as not all parents take half term off or can get it

Schools only just gone back so safe to say current rises are not massively due to kids

Rise is pure numbers. Nothing to do with people not wearing masks or distancing - that’s just encouraging us to blame each other

The virus was always going to come back when majority went back to work

Most people I know cannot distance at work and aren’t doing so

People are back at gyms theme parks etc

Even if everyone followed the rules the view would still spread!

Two weeks would be pointless as schools a not the main contributor

Exactly

The government definitely have people where they want them if they think it’s “people not following the rules” that have caused this increase.

That’s not true

Spain has very strict mask rules and it a dire

Madame

I agree

If people genuinely think the virus is spreading cos joe bloggs isn’t wearing a paper mask then they seriously need to open their eyes!

@Redwine125

Have had a quick search but can't find it not that it doesn't exist, in any case 'As I said before who do you believe?'

I am generally inclined to believe myself, from my own experiences of treating Covid positive patients as an NHS nurse.

Full lock down is not the answer, however what worries me is that hospitals are consistently running out of beds due to winter pressures every year. I have been there when surgeons have had their heads in their hands because their entire list has been cancelled due to no beds. I have also been there when a patient has been admitted for major life saving surgery, only for it to be cancelled at the last minute for the second time, as there is no bed for them to go to in ICU afterwards.

The NHS runs on a knife edge in terms of beds/capacity, it just gets by in a normal winter but even a small surge in admissions could be devastating (and Nightingale hospitals are not the answer for various reasons)

Exactly @Redwine125. I have done as I am told throughout and will continue to do so. It is still actually allowed to be questioning about what’s going on and whether our response is appropriate. But that’s not enough for some MNers. You’ve got to actually believe everything the government and the MSM tell you. Compliance with the rules isn’t enough. It was the same with masks. People posted threads that they were wearing them although they didn’t like them and they still got slated. Maybe that’ll be next. A £1000 fine for thoughtcrime

@mintyfreshh

All those saying gaps in education can be caught up are not thinking of SEN children. My child has regressed in pretty much every developmental category. He's back where he was last September. If we lockdown again he will be back even further. And he will not catch up quickly, because he is autistic.

Where as my SEN DC made massive progressive whilst school was off limits to him. Just like mainstream, autism etc. Every child is different.

I would say curfews, pubs and restaurants closed again, no mixing of households, people will be able to go to work, schools likely to remain open

I think the whole idea of 10pm curfew is to prevent drunken late night behaviour.

But that only works if people aren't just having g house parties instead.

@gje943

Quote: “How many people thought in March/April “this is only for a short while, it will all be dealt with by July and we’ll pretty much be back to normal”.”

I don’t know anyone who thought that.

It’s a scary thought to think that life has changed forever. Much more scary than (for example) thinking that the restrictions on everyday life are only temporary.

Earlier in this thread you slated people for buying into the restrictions. Calling them brainwashed, saying they had been turned. Saying they have allowed themselves to become scared. Referring to such people as “Hitler youth”.

Your view is terrifying!

Given the amount of people who actually seemingly don’t give a toss about restrictions, or the virus itself for that matter, then do you think the government is succeeding in becoming all powerful and controlling and turning us into sheeple and 21st century nazis?

Life hasn’t changed forever, give it a rest. Society cannot function like this long term.

Some things just don't add up. And I think instead of saying "stop winging, just get on with it and do as they say" we should be able to ask these questions and get answers without being shut down

Here are the answers to your questions.

The restrictions don't come into force right away because they need to write and pass the legislation and eg in the case of masks they needed to give people the chance to get some.

Masks were not used during lockdown because they weren't available and they didn't want people using medical grade ones when there was a shortage for the NHS and care homes.

And schools are open because education is important and parties with relatives are not - you can still see relatives, but it needs to be in small groups (and preferably outside though the rule of 6 does not make that distinction).

There isn't some great conspiracy.

@MadameBlobby

I’m not the one saying life has changed forever.

Sorry @ripples101

Masks were not used during lockdown because they weren't available and they didn't want people using medical grade ones when there was a shortage for the NHS and care homes.

Why do people keep coming up with this guff? People could have been told to wear the fabric face coverings we’ve now been told to wear.

Masks were brought in purely to make people confident to go out and increase footfall for the economy

That’s the only reason

They don’t work or none of us would have had a cold or flu this last couple months

They don’t work or none of us would have had a cold or flu this last couple months

Most people I know have only had colds since schools have been back, only ancedotal of course, but I don't think the stance that masks don't work because now that there are things open that don't mandate masks people have colds is particularly useful. There is plenty of research to say they make a difference.

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

There is now a better understanding of the benefits.

What’s very amusing is three months ago when those who looked at the situation rationally did the maths and said ok there’s going to be a second wave Autumn, they were called drama lovers etc etc

Yet there’s crazy conspiracy theorists who think Governments (globally) are trying to take control of us. When in reality many are just bumbling along incompetently as they were totally unprepared for a Pandemic.

Weirdly enough Governments like people out spending and contributing to booming economies. The last thing they want is lockdowns!! Lockdowns have been used throughout history as blunt tools to stop the spread of disease. Mask wearing has also been imposed historically in the U.K. Spanish Flu and WW2. It was unpopular then too with many as were school closures which also occurred. None of this is new!

Crikey who actually looks for drama?!? The people calmly pointing out what the inevitable path is or those who come up with illogical ideas as to what this is about. It’s far more boring than some make out.

Our Government is incompetent that’s all. Nothing more to it. They want normality more than you do.

I work in a sector which covid makes peak, but I am not a key worker. Kids not being schooled means I work literally 20 hours days between looking after them and my actual job. It broke me, it’s damaged them, and the only respite at all is 3 days away this October half term. If that goes too I am not sure how we cope because October to jan close down is to much for us all again.
My husband has stopped taking medication so he isn’t as high risk, so we are already making massive sacrifices to keep things going.
I have no answers

@MadameBlobby thought-crime indeed lol. People are being censored left-write and centre on all social platforms for giving thier 2 cents...i do understand why.. Some of it is really "out there" and even I'm a bit like.. "can't get my head around that one.. You've lost me completely"... But other things do make me think.. "well actually hang on they have a point."

Ive always followed the rules. I have a 6 month old baby, if anything happened to her, my life wouldn't be worth living... Its leading up to this vaccine that I have an issue with it. She's had all her vaccines so far, but this one I don't trust because it's so brand new (when it's actually made).

@HeyBlaby I don't doubt there is a virus... I don't doubt it's killing people... But when there's NHS nurses and doctors speaking out against it.. It does kind of wobble your head a bit and think... Eh??

@BlushingBrightly I'm currently lying in bed next to my baby but I've got them written down and could provide some links in the morning. There's certain links I've got to documents online all preparing for a pandemic in a "scenario" type setting one which is the world banks "covid-19 strategic preparedness and response programme" you can Google it or I'll provide the link tomorrow... Another was 'scenarios for the future of technology and international development"

' World economic Forum 'strategic intellegence'

Their the titles for them anyway... Think one of them was event 201..where it was the beginning of 2019 and they had all these people around a table doing a simulation of what would happen in a pandemic... They had actors as news anchors, possible threats, obsticles.. One being a shortage of PPI and the strain it would have on front line workers...etc..and the simulation was almost if not identical to what we've seen in the news the past 6 months... And it was written a year in advance..

So, a lot of people are asking why all the preparing for a pandemic years in advance? I don't know the answers... This is just the kind of information I've been exposed to and had a read of.

People can call it bollocks, people can make thier own informed opinions.. I'm not judging anyone here for thier beliefs... Like I said before I just keep an open mind.

Our Government is incompetent that’s all. Nothing more to it. They want normality more than you do.

This needs to be repeated.

@cologne4711 OK, thanks for that I didn't know that. I had heard they were keeping the masks for the NHS staff which makes sense.

I don't want parties I just want to be able to see my mum. She's a single household so should be able to join my "bubble". I haven't seen friends this entire period, just family who wanted to see the baby.

My aunty lives in oz.. She says they have a curfew there 8pm - 5am and they can't leave the house between those hours unless of course for an emergency.. But their government are trying to pass a bill where anyone who doesn't isolate who's high risk or protestors or conspiracy theorists who refuse to isolate will be detained and taken to quarentine camps.

Here they're fined £1000.

Also they've been in lockdown since March.