To tell all the black mumsnetters we now have our own forum

[Marg33t]

Thanks to the fab PatricksRum for fighting against racism we've got our own board here

Look for black mumsnetters 👍🏿

@Phoenix21 I guess so.

Ohreallythen....another poster upthread said it was said by loads of posters on the thread who requested it.

With regards to boards for other ethnicities, it's up to those people to request a board so MN can gauge demand for such a space.

We have requested. But I and many other people have felt a lot of hostility for talking about our own issues with racism recently in light of BLM. We've been told (mostly by white posters ) that nows not the right time to talk and it's black peoples time. All these woke white 'anti-racists' are only actually anti racist when it suits them and really all this has gone to prove just how racist they are in other ways.

Congratulations! This is good news.

@DoubleDolphin

Ohreallythen....another poster upthread said it was said by loads of posters on the thread who requested it.

I’ve been on quite a few of these threads and haven’t seen that suggested.

Though someone did once tell me that some people elsewhere are a nest of vipers, so regardless of people telling me that’s not the case I’ll keep protesting that it is.

It's no different to any other board, if it's something to add to, you do.
There's loads of boards that most of us never use, what's wrong with another.
I may comment on a curly hair thread because even though I'm a different ethnicity, many products will suit all very curly hair, mine can almost be afro, and dreads naturally if too long.
Obviously I wouldn't comment on anything else that didn't apply to me.

@DoubleDolphin

Can you actually show these 'loads' of posters asking for this? Because I cant find them. What I think it really is is 1 or 2 posters mentioning it and then the racists jumping on it as an excuse to denounce the Black board. MN has not said anywhere that it is for Black people only. MN has millions of users, 1 or 2 will always say something a little off, doesn't mean MN will actually implement forced segregation.

Continuing my analogy with the adoption board.

We don't mind non-adopters coming along and asking questions such as 'my friend is adopting how can I support her'
We do object to people coming on there saying 'you are all child snatchers' or 'oh all children do that, why are you making such a fuss'

I could imagine that on the new board, a white poster who writes 'i'm a teacher teaching Of Mice and Men, should we allow the N word to be read out in class' (current discussion on the Secondary board) would be welcomed, whereas a goady 'Why do you make a fuss about racism all the time' would not.

@DoubleDolphin

Ohreallythen....another poster upthread said it was said by loads of posters on the thread who requested it.

There were multiple posts. It wasn't just one or two.

Also demands for a black moderator, which I doubt any of the other boards have requested?

Woo hoo!

@EDSGFC

Still haven't seen any of these? It's all just hearsay at this point.

Also even if there were 'demands' for it doens't mean they've all actually been put into practice. Does it actually say anywhere on the Black board that you can't use it if you're not black? Or that it's got black moderators? No - people are getting het up about hypotheticals that haven't actually been put in place.

@purpleboy

Bear as has been explained on Patrick's threads, white is the default position. If a black person wants to get advice on whether a school with low number of black students that is good against a school that has high number of black students but isn't as good, is better for her child, they will get many responses from white people who don't fully understand the question they are answering, same about black hair, talking to their children about dealing with police and many other issues relating specifically to black people. These are all things many white people have no intimate knowledge of but have an opinion on, many black Mumsnet terms have requested a space where they can bring up these topics and not have them derailed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

Dolphin see above!

Exactly, good post.

Well done ParricksRum, really pleased for all of you

Why not just integrate with everyone else? I'm not being rude, but segregation (and stereotyping) is not the answer surely??

Please bear in mind many people are non white, or of mixed race, but might not identify under the umbrella term Black or Asian... whatever. We're all individuals after all.

I have an English mother, and mixed race biological father (whom I've never met). I look exotic/tanned, but only identify as "English" simply because my English family is all I've ever known. That doesn't stop people attempting to label me at times..... and yes - I've endured my fair share of racist comments!

Oh well. Got my tuppence-worth in!
Peace. xx

@TeenPlusTwenties has it.

To give another analogy I am very anti-surrogacy - I see it as the commodification of bodies which reduces women down to incubators and more often than not exploits the vunerable and puts them at massive risk.

But I'm also not a twat who lurks on the surrogacy board and calls anyone who posts evil and depraved. Because it's just not the place. I do post a lot about it on the feminism boards but sometimes you just have to learn where is and isn't the place for you and what you're saying. This is one of those times.

@OhReallyThen

As someone 'BAME not Black' I have no problem with there being a Black Mnetters board. However I wish *@MNHQ* had the common sense to create boards for other minority race communities too (Think Indian, SE Asian, Eastern European, Latin American ect). We have struggles that are unique to our race as well. And the inclusion of only a Black board and nothing for any other race just perpetuates the recent problem of racism being framed as a black/white narrative and white people congratulating themselves on being 'anti-racist' by reading a few black authors and going to one BLM march whilst they're racist to other minorities. There's all this talk of 'educate yourself' but so many white people only seem to want to be educated on black issues and when i try to bring up an issue of racism i've experienced they genuinley don't care. I was called a 'paki' at a BLM protest by someone so proud of themselves for being anti-racist and there's still all the 'go back to where you came from' and anti-muslim rhetoric that always resurfaces around 9/11.

The board for black MNetters is great and i fully support it. But @MNHQ can you please look into starting boards for other ethnic minorities you have large numbers of? We'd like a safe space too.

I would love to see a section for Indian MNetters

Lots of things happened in apartheid, but the crux of it was that black people were segregated out and not allowed in certain white areas, which the whole world agrees is not right or fair. Which is why this not allowing white people in certain areas feels very similar.

Does it fuck. Similar? Seriously? There is one forum on mumsnet where you’ve been politely asked not to post unless you have experience of living as a black person and you think that’s ‘similar’ to being arrested for sitting in the wrong section or a bus, or being lynched for allegedly looking at a white woman the wrong way, or being forced to attend a segregated school where the resources and training were completely inadequate, or forced to use a separate entrance into businesses, or shot dead for protesting, or denied the right to vote?

You haven’t been banned from anywhere. You can bleat about it all you like, but it simply has not happened. Some black posters have simply expressed a view that they would prefer for white posters not to fill the board up with their opinions and experiences, since it’s about creating a community of people who specifically share the experience of being black.

You are no more banned from that board than you are from the LGBT board, but on both you should be refraining from sharing your views unless you actually have directly relevant experience. A black person saying to you that your opinions on racism aren’t relevant to them is NOT the same as you being banned. It’s just that you have nothing of value to add, so why not just move on?

@OhReallyThen

As someone 'BAME not Black' I have no problem with there being a Black Mnetters board. However I wish *@MNHQ* had the common sense to create boards for other minority race communities too (Think Indian, SE Asian, Eastern European, Latin American ect). We have struggles that are unique to our race as well. And the inclusion of only a Black board and nothing for any other race just perpetuates the recent problem of racism being framed as a black/white narrative and white people congratulating themselves on being 'anti-racist' by reading a few black authors and going to one BLM march whilst they're racist to other minorities. There's all this talk of 'educate yourself' but so many white people only seem to want to be educated on black issues and when i try to bring up an issue of racism i've experienced they genuinley don't care. I was called a 'paki' at a BLM protest by someone so proud of themselves for being anti-racist and there's still all the 'go back to where you came from' and anti-muslim rhetoric that always resurfaces around 9/11.

The board for black MNetters is great and i fully support it. But @MNHQ can you please look into starting boards for other ethnic minorities you have large numbers of? We'd like a safe space too.

Why don't you campaign for other boards like we have?

It feels like you want to take away from us.

Congratulations :)

Genuine question for those who are against this, do you happen to be straight, white, middle class women who insist on having a safe space for women but cannot think why any other group if people would want the same? There is no actual way of proving your ethnicity, and so if you really are that bothered then nobody is going to arrest you if you decide to go to those threads - unlike actual segregation where a black person would have been arrested for using the wrong water fountain - but seeing as if you are a white middle class woman you are probably unlikely to have anything of value to add to that conversation.

[quote OhReallyThen]@EDSGFC

Still haven't seen any of these? It's all just hearsay at this point.

Also even if there were 'demands' for it doens't mean they've all actually been put into practice. Does it actually say anywhere on the Black board that you can't use it if you're not black? Or that it's got black moderators? No - people are getting het up about hypotheticals that haven't actually been put in place.[/quote]
Well many (possibly all, not sure there's been multiple threads) of the posts about white people not posting there were on a thread that was deleted.

I read the demand for a black moderator again recently so that will still be there.

MN didn't comment at all either to say everyone is welcome or to confirm that white people aren't welcome so not sure what the official stance is. Likewise about a moderator.

Maybe they hope if they say nothing it will blow over?

Happy for you I hope you get to enjoy your space and that the goady/ignorant fuckers stay away.

Why not just integrate with everyone else? I'm not being rude, but segregation (and stereotyping) is not the answer surely??

They want a safe space! Where they can talk about issues that effect them (or anything really) without white people jumping in and whining about being left out or giving their unwarranted, unwanted, irrelevant opinions about exclusively black issues 🙄🙄

This thread makes me want to bang my head against a wall and I’m white, imagine how black women feel dealing with a lifetime of this.

@Phoenix21

What is making people think that the board is only for black people?

On one of the threads it was made clear it should be for black people only. No whites and no other 'races'.

Probably this first page 1

YADNBU, well pleased for you all

Well I for one am very excited. Off to check it out now.