To ask if there's something I'm missing about the allegedly "controversial" Diversity performance

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Diversity performed on Britain's Got Talent, a performance which incorporated a message about BLM. Their performance, as usual, was incredible and sent out some great messages. The video is below.

It's had 10,000 complaints. Why?! am I missing something? Did someone's nipple pop out or something? What is the basis of people's complaints? The only reason I can think is that some people (probably because they're part of the problem) don't like it when others point out that there's racism in the world? Boo hoo to them

I'm late to the party. I don't watch BGT but watched the dance to see what all the fuss was about.
I thought the dance was excellent. Expertly executed, great story telling, danced with conviction and precision.
Well done.

So you really think Menora there wouldn’t be a huge amount of complaints if a dance act showed a police office being dragged to his death on BGT. People would just get the pop corn out.

My black colleague was arrested whilst moving his Mercedes off his own driveway in his tracksuit because he did apparently looked more like the kind of person who would steal that car than own it.
He's privately educated and well off but as a black man he still experiences racism
You may think that, but you're mistaken.

What you're forgetting is that the fact your friend has enough money to buy a Mercedes is proof that racism is not an issue and anyway, what about all the white people who can't afford a flashy car?
Why aren't you taking time to talk about poverty instead of going on drawing attention to the privileged black man when there's lots of white people living in poverty?
Whatabout them eh?

(we really do need a sarcasm emoji).

No, I am not conflating anything, I am asking how you expect Diversity to tackle those institutions. Raising awareness amongst people watching the program, especially white people, doesn’t seem to be a terrible start.

wafflyversatile can you give a recent example ? Not a magician’s act or Torvil and Dean acting out Romeo and Juliet.

Wonder how many people hand-wringing about the ‘recreation’ (wtf, if you didn’t know what the actual murder was, you wouldn’t even know what you were supposed to be seeing) of the murder of a man regularly write to their local churches to complain about the totally upsetting statues of a bloke being murdered by crucifixion that are usually prominently displayed. Won’t someone think of the children?

@noblegiraffe

Wonder how many people hand-wringing about the ‘recreation’ (wtf, if you didn’t know what the actual murder was, you wouldn’t even know what you were supposed to be seeing) of the murder of a man regularly write to their local churches to complain about the totally upsetting statues of a bloke being murdered by crucifixion that are usually prominently displayed. Won’t someone think of the children?

My DCs primary school not only had statues of that bloke, but used to recreate his murder every Easter I'll start saving now for their therapy.

As diversity are so socially conscious I will await their dance tribute to the two officers recently shot and to David dorn and many other innocents who have lost their lives

As diversity are so socially conscious I will await their dance tribute to the two officers recently shot and to David dorn and many other innocents who have lost their lives
Irrelevant, but does demonstrate racism.

It was brilliant. I'd much rather watch that than zero talent ant and Dec wanking their way around the stage anytime. Those of you that were offended really have to question why it triggered you.

Oh MN deleted my post calling people social dinosaurs 😂

Just watched it again. It was stunning. Spoke truth to power of capitalism and racism.

I was wondering if Jesus would be given as an example. Is that the best example of a recent murder tastefully recreated for a talent show?

@Straven123

Surely it's pointing out that white people kill black people and enjoy doing it - not something I like to be linked to, that happened in gun toting USA not the U.K. - the US is a different place with its own problems.

Sorry, a bit late to the party, but how and where did it show that white people enjoyed killing black people.

Rufflecrow 'black men kill a lot of other black men'

Guess what
White men kill a lot of other white men
Men in general kill a lot of other men

People kill (and commit crime against) the people around them in their local area generally
If you are black you likely live around other black people and if you are going to kill anyone it's most likely one of them. Vice versa if you are white.

There is no specific problem of 'black on black' violence any more than there is 'white on white' violence or 'male on male 'violence

In the UK in the last 10 years 92% of white homicide victims were killed by other white people and only 2% by black people

55% of black homicide victims were killed by another black person but in fact 33% were killed by a White person.

Funny how you never hear about the epidemic of white on white violence isn't it?

So stairway, using an image of a murdered man for art is fine so long as the murder happened a while ago? What kind of time period?

George Floyd served time in prison for a violent crime
More recently he had turned his life around and had been working and involved in church outreach
The alleged crime he was being arrested for was trying to use counterfeit money not a violent crime.

But no he was not a saint I can't see anyone suggesting he was
They are suggesting he should not have been murdered whoever he was

Should you have to be a saint to deserve not to get murdered in cold blood on the street by a police officer?

Cats, no one is making out George Floyd was a saint, they are appalled that yet another black person was brutally murdered by the police. He is not a figurehead for the movement but his murder caused people to react to protest at how white supremacy and racism has enabled social systems and structures that support racist atrocities like this.

I think you don’t want to acknowledge the racism that’s part of many black peoples lives every day, and so distracting from that with this chat about George Floyds criminality. He didn’t deserve to die like that, whatever he had done. You are the one glossing over racism, and that’s your responsibility, no one else’s.

Why oh why could they not pick a nice, good, socially acceptable black person?

Oh no hang on I remember now because those people don't actually experience racism (like Ashley Banjo)

Gosh it is difficult trying to pick a suitable figurehead for one's movement.

Dunno who they are. I agree with the message but the dance was corny as hell.

TheId

My point was that people who already understand that racism is a problem will understand that GF was killed because of the colour of his skin, people who may not yet understand that racism is still a problem today, or the wide reaching implications of everyday/institutional racism are not going to be brought into the conversation by GF, they will just see the criminal.

And I still stand by my earlier comments that if Diversity wanted to start conversations about racism this wasn’t the way to do it. This won’t have changed anybody’s mind or made anyone think twice, it was mawkish and crass.

"wafflyversatile can you give a recent example ? Not a magician’s act or Torvil and Dean acting out Romeo and Juliet."

Why? What's your problem? Someone on the thread was claiming the issue was that they recreated a violent death. They didnt recreate violent death. They did an artistic representation of a violent death as part of a dance routine. Dance is an art. Loads of art is about pain and horror and death and anguish, struggle, injustice and, well every human experience you can think of. Songs theatre paintings poetry dance novels cartoons films stand up comedy true crime podcasts. Many describe violence, have political messages whilst also being entertainment.

If people are going to claim that the problem is that diversity was too graphic in their 'recreation' of george Floyd's death then they might as well complain at how graphic a magician cutting a woman in half is too graphic.

Well it's started a conversation on this thread....