‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

The interfering busybodies in our parish Council (male and with roads named after them) will be first in line to be Covid Marshalls.

On a side note, one of them is already a 1st responder and came before an ambulance when DH had chest pain. He spent the whole time telling DH he was silly and that his daughter's house was much better than ours. - This is the kind of person that will volunteer.

The numbers are rising exponentially again. I’m no fan of this government but I do trust they are doing the best for the country in horribly difficult circumstances.

Until there is a vaccine or proven effective treatment we are always going to be in some kind of cycle of restrictions.

I always saw the summer holidays as a bit of a release fo the country before an inevitable new spread and new controls.

Quite frankly I am disappointed but not surprised at the attitude of many on here. It’s ALL ABOUT ME. ME. MY FAMILY and nothing else matters. Who cares about collective responsibility to society during a global pandemic when little Johnny might not get his 2nd birthday party.

The government are going to have to start arresting, doling out fines, and making examples of people who feel the law doesn’t apply to them.

I used Eat Out to Help Out a few times and not once did I feel that the restaurant wasn't Covid Secure.

Maybe we just made good choices.......

I think the colossal number of small infringements amongst mainstream society is creating a big problem.

People with truly chaotic lifestyles are in very small.bubbles often. How often do drug users get invited to parties

Agree about large events, but naice middle class dinner parties are more likely to spread the virus than a brief drug deal.

@eaglejulesk

If it's a state with a much lower population density than the UK, then comparisons are meaningless

The good old population density excuse, always trotted out when someone points out how shambolic the UK's reaction has been. Yes, it plays a part, but those people living in countries/places where the instructions have been clear and concise, implemented early and communicated well to the public have generally fared much better.

I completely agree with that, you just have to look at Hong Kong, with one of the highest population density in the world, and only around 100 deaths. The rules there are quite clear, but they also come with mask wearing for everyone, everywhere outside the home (including outdoors); a very efficient tracing system; all Covid positive patients stay in hospital until recovered; and stringent quarantine and border closures.

But even with all these measures in place, the latest wave of Covid cases (July/August) was ten times as deadly as the first wave.

Transpose this to the U.K. - how comfortable are we with another 400,000 deaths?

Recent conversation...booked a holiday last year for this year.Booked at christmas way before any rumblings of Covid 19.Holiday abandoned due to Covid 19 and fine,no problems, I can rebook,The Government issued via the FCO no trips except essential travel.I followed that.I tried to claim on my insurance,no joy there.Rand my MP for advice and was told...its your fault you lost two thousand pounds I cant help you.But I queried you said the Government not to go ,essential travel only.Well its only advice..it doesnt mean you can;t go.The flights are going its disinclination to travel on your part....So you see OP I chose to obey the rules and even then it wasnt enough I was in the wrong.. to the tune of £2000 to an island with less cases than us at our lowest!!! Nothing of any of this situation makes sence..damned if you do damned if you dont...

@DalzielandPaxo
I simply do not understand why it would make a difference. Those people from the second household would be returning to the house where the other people (if we capped it at six) reside. So those other people may as well come, no?
Because infection rates are different depending on how many people are in the group. This is partly because of how many people are crammed into small areas but also to do with how people behave in those groups.
Eg
group of six, one or two people might use the loo, group of ten three or four.
Group of six, everyone together, group of ten party splits into two sub groups with adults in one and children in another
Group of six, family perch on arm chair and floor cushion visitors sit on sofa, group of ten visitors can’t all fit on the sofa so some sit on extra chairs/floor
Group of six adult hands round drinks, group of ten children help hand round drinks.

Can you not see the levels of contact are different?

Is dropping litter illegal?
I don't drive but from what I have seen, many otherwise law-abiding citizens have no problem with speeding or parking illegally.
I don't think people obey all laws generally.

@Velvian

The interfering busybodies in our parish Council (male and with roads named after them) will be first in line to be Covid Marshalls.

On a side note, one of them is already a 1st responder and came before an ambulance when DH had chest pain. He spent the whole time telling DH he was silly and that his daughter's house was much better than ours. - This is the kind of person that will volunteer.

That may well be the case, but it makes it all the more important to ensure that they have nothing to report by sticking to the letter of the law.

Is shouting about following the 'RULE OF 6' going to be the new 'stay the fuck at home' chant? Absolutely know who will be the covid Marshalls in my area- the monitors of the old Thursday night clap and who didn't do it long or noisily enough!

I think part of the reason is the behaviour of the government. Not sacking Robert Jenrick and Dominic Cummings gave an impression of one rule for one, one for another. The lack of a proper response in March did not help either.

Sally did you book with 'On the Beach? There were gettimg slated on one of the BBC programs last night.

A very Liberal translation of the rules.

See if Martin Lewis is saying something but I would suspect if you have booked a package holiday you could try and fight it.

@Itisbetter you remind me of Jenny in Derry Girls.

The government are going to have to start arresting, doling out fines, and making examples of people who feel the law doesn’t apply to them.

Like Cummings.

@BritWifeinUSA

Poor comparisons. Wearing a seatbelt or being sober when driving are known to dramatically improve your chances (and others) of arriving safely at your destination. And there are no shades of grey. You either are drunk or you’re not. You’re either belted up or you’re not.

I’m not in the UK but it seems the new rule of 6 doesn’t apply if you’re working, at a funeral, etc. It’s absolutely ridiculous to think you are “safe” at work or in a church in groups of more than 6 but not in your own home. Either the virus is dangerous or it isn’t. That would be like saying “you have to wear a seat belt unless you’re in a red car because red cars don’t crash”. Or “you can’t drink and drive unless it’s a Monday”. It’s just as random. The whole thing is a test of control. It’s worked with you.

You have misunderstood completely.

There is no suggestion that you are safe at work or in a church group. You are mildly safer than you would have been in March because in the majority of situations there is a social distancing requirement, eg a perspex barrier in the supermarket. You are not 100 percent safe. The point is, we HAVE to enable people to get back to work or as a nation we are truly fucked.

We don't HAVE to have 40 people meeting in a garden to celebrate a 56th birthday, with alcohol that reduces social distancing and no masks or perspex screens and a bunch of people going for a pee and touching the bannisters and door handles and toilet flush, the taps and towels.

We don't HAVE to have 15 kids in the living room for a birthday party. We do HAVE to allow kids back to school.

It's about reducing total contacts in less safe spaces. It's not a magic virus you can't get at work. No one is claiming that. It's about you coming within 2 metres for over 10 mins with the least possible number of people who aren't masked up.

@DalzielandPaxo I’m sorry I haven’t seen it

Well the main issue with the covid marshalls is that they will mostly come from naice areas and be reporting on minor infringements such a one set of neighbours walking dog ( early in morning) when in quarantine or other neighbours planning to let 10 come across for their DSs birthday.
These aren't what are making coronavirus cases rise exponentially. There's a fact it's a very tenacious virus, but secondly it's people in crowded living conditions or with chaotic lifestyles or in factories where the temperature is a perfect breeding ground. No covid marshall will witness or report these situations, so it will cause a lot of ill feeling for no real benefit.

Are people being purposefully obtuse?

There are things that are important that we still do, go to school and work and have funerals. So the government are accepting that level of risk. What is not so important is having auntie over for dinner or a kids birthday party. It’s about limiting the social contact. If for example the kids are at school that’s 6 hours of contact in which they could potentially pass the virus. Add on to that 2 hours of a birthday party, yes it’s the same kids but it’s 2 extra hours in a less controlled environment, with more shouting and running around and surfaces being touched. Why add those two extra hours of risk?

I don’t like not having a normal life either, but I’m not going to scratch my head and pretend there’s literally no point to the new rules.

(They should reduce bars and pubs opening hours though)

@Timeforanotherusermane...thanks you but no it wasn;t a package deal! Its not so much the money thats ok really its the point of the rules been laid out then being open to misinterpretation.

The government are going to have to start arresting, doling out fines, and making examples of people who feel the law doesn’t apply to them.

If they want to arrest and fine me for having 7 people in my home instead of 6, they can go ahead. I really couldn't give a shiny shit.

@Mrsemcgregor yes there was talk of a 10pm curfew on bars and restaurants. That needs to happen sharpish. I want people to have the opportunity to go out, but I know myself the more you drink, the more you lose social inhibitions. Far better to put a curfew on now,than have to close them all in a few weeks ( or more likely keep them open and close schools ).

@mum2jakie

Ironic that we're supposed to be following laws without question, yet our own government is openly talking about breaking international law!! Fucking hypocrites.

This!

you remind me of Jenny in Derry Girls

You will go far in life Jenny. But you will not be well liked.

@Mrsemcgregor
Exactly. I really worry about the thinking skills of the population sometimes. If I see one more "magic virus you can't get at work but can in aunty Pat's conservatory" posts I will scream.
However I guess that it's a failure of government messaging that people haven't grasped this simple fact.

*However I guess that it's a failure of government messaging that people haven't grasped this simple fact

I know exactly why they've done it. I understand it completely. I also understand that, realistically, having 7 people in my home instead of 6 means the increased risk is negligible and therefore I will continue to do it.