What is the point

[RealityExistsInTheHumanMind]

In living, if we aren't allowed to live.

Human beings are sociable animals. We went into lockdown to save the NHS from being overwhelmed

Yeah, well that happened months ago

I don't see the point in going on any more - government on a power trip. My life curtailed for nothing

Waste of time

@Mintjulia

Younger people aren't giving up living.

My ds is 12. He's at school all day. He sees his best mate at the weekends, we go cycling, eat pizza, talk to friends and family. Karate is restarting next weekend. Hopefully swimming too. We managed to organise a birthday party for him. Life can go on perfectly happily for children with just a few adjustments.

The worst part of this is the teens/twenties having to cope with redundancy without the years of experience needed to know it's not personal. I feel desperately sorry for them.

Your son is lucky, many kids are There are also many whose parents aren't supportive Many whose parent(s) can't be supportive because of their own mental or physical health Many who can't be supportive because they have lost control Many whose parent(s) are neglectful And Many whose parent(s) are downright abusive.

But of course - they don't matter do they? Yours are alright and that's all that matters.

I agree with you re the young adults though

@Mintychoc1

shocking where would you like me to refer people to? The waiting list for a psychiatric outpatient appointment is about 6 months. The Crisis team will only speak to people who have plans to kill themselves that very day. The various mental health support services will direct people to counselling etc, which obviously I also do. Most people who are depressed due to Covid don't want medication or counselling. As I said, they want their lives back. You do know that there isn't a mental health magic wand don't you?

I really feel for the good GPs and other HCPs. The mess that is the current NHS is not of your making and you do your best to pick up the pieces but it's like putting a sticking plaster on a broken bone.

Can't get too worked up about having to wear a mask and avoid gatherings when so many people in this world have no roof over their head, no clean water to drink, starving, living in war torn countries, kids dying.

I'm hating all the restrictions don't get me wrong. But really? Get a perspective. Life isn't over ffs.

@RealityExistsInTheHumanMind I am feeling a bit better today thanks. It's only really at night and in the early hours I start to feel that way. I try to go to bed earlier but I can't sleep and then I start thinking about things and I can't stop.

@Mintychoc1

shocking where would you like me to refer people to? The waiting list for a psychiatric outpatient appointment is about 6 months. The Crisis team will only speak to people who have plans to kill themselves that very day. The various mental health support services will direct people to counselling etc, which obviously I also do. Most people who are depressed due to Covid don't want medication or counselling. As I said, they want their lives back. You do know that there isn't a mental health magic wand don't you?

Yes to all that. IAPT/counselling will not take on anyone with even a tiny hint of suicidal thoughts either. Only 'no risk' patients. Just the word 'suicide' in the referral letter or contact phone call and its instant rejection.

@Kittykat93

Can't get too worked up about having to wear a mask and avoid gatherings when so many people in this world have no roof over their head, no clean water to drink, starving, living in war torn countries, kids dying.

I'm hating all the restrictions don't get me wrong. But really? Get a perspective. Life isn't over ffs.

This. We are still better off than many millions were before the pandemic. People need to step back and get some perspective.

I agree with kittykat93, a sense of perspective is essential in any situation, particularly when there is a national 'crisis'.

[quote EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire]@RealityExistsInTheHumanMind I am feeling a bit better today thanks. It's only really at night and in the early hours I start to feel that way. I try to go to bed earlier but I can't sleep and then I start thinking about things and I can't stop.[/quote]
@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

I love your username - any planet without one is definitely missing out.
Can you get Youtube on your phone

Try playing this when you can't sleep. Put your phone face down so that the light doesn't distract you and really listen.

I find they really help me drop off as I concentrate on it and the thoughts don't get to start whirling round your head.

There are loads of similar ones

This is a much longer one

Try a few different ones - we all find different voices more soothing.

Let me know how you get on.

Your son is lucky, many kids are
There are also many whose parents aren't supportive
Many whose parent(s) can't be supportive because of their own mental or physical health
Many who can't be supportive because they have lost control
Many whose parent(s) are neglectful
And
Many whose parent(s) are downright abusive.

But of course - they don't matter do they? Yours are alright and that's all that matters.

But that is true for times outside of Covid? What were you doing to petition for these children outside of the pandemic? Just curious.

The measures absolutely are not worse than the problem to me. Wearing a mask and socially distancing, while it isn’t normal, it’s not a hardship. Pascals Wager. Infinite gain over a finite loss.

Hospitals are currently half empty,most have no Covid cases, it is not 'still happening' like it was.

I work in a hospital OP. Do you? This statement is complete bullshit. We are at full capacity in A&E most days. People coming in with a cut finger, 6 month old back ache, arthritis is playing up etc. All our clinics are back running as normal. We have 5 wards completely shut down to due to every patient being infected with covid. On top of all that there is such an enormous backlog of work to catch up on at the same time as the current covid numbers. Our patient capacity in ITU has only just reached normal levels.
We have had over 30 colleagues die within our trust. Nurses, porters, cleaners, HCA's, Doctors. Only 1 had known underlying health issues.
We are about to go into a local lockdown. We are approaching winter bug/flu/cold season.
Just because you hear stories of NHS employees not doing a fat lot other than getting free stuff, doesn't mean that's the majority. The media has a lot to answer for, one minute calling NHS workers Hero's. Now we are the villains!

I agree with your sentiment. Life will have to go back to 'normal' at some point, we will have to live with covid. But as someone currently working on a closed covid ward, who recently lost a dear colleague to covid, as well as my father, I find some of your comments thoroughly insulting!

[quote RealityExistsInTheHumanMind]@NoemiaElara Tue 08-Sep-20 23:21:23
We went into lockdown to save LIVES not the NHS. It was to equip the NHS with time to figure out how to successfully treat covid, what PPE requirements we will need to protect staff and patients, what protocols are in place to avoid becoming overwhelmed. It isn't about saving the NHS. It never was. It was a buffer to allow time to figure things out! It didn't happen months ago. It has been happening all this time. It is still happening.
So the government saying 'Save the NHS' didn't mean that then. Hospitals are currently half empty, most have no Covid cases, it is not 'still happening' like it was. Deaths from Covid very low. Deaths from other things way above average for the time of year. Not Covid so don't matter - except they matter just as much to the people that have lost them.

@Whoknowswhocares Tue 08-Sep-20 23:40:54
@Hont1986

Perhaps "today's generation" don't really mind wearing masks in shops if it curbs a bloody pandemic.

Well if all it took was wearing a mask to curb it, then there would be no need for new measures.
Exactly

Lockdown has merely kicked the can down the road. As soon as people mix, cases rise.
No idea what the answer is, but certainly the current plan is failing spectacularly all around the world. Let’s all continue to hope a vaccine turns up, but it might not for years if ever.
Plan B?
And vaccine trial currently on hold because someone has developed a serious illness that may be related to the developed vaccine.

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire Tue 08-Sep-20 23:41:54
I have been awake until the early hours the past few days in tears and wanting to walk down into the city and throw myself off the bridge.
I hope you are feeling a bit better today. It is for this reason that I am so angry. There are healthy young people all over feeling like you. It is no life. For everyone that is coping well, there is someone else who isn't. And more young people are going to die from the effects of the 'lockdown' than from Covid.

@StoneofDestiny Tue 08-Sep-20 23:46:43
We are very lucky
Older people in the UK had childhoods/teenage years/ young adulthood blighted by polio, whooping cough, scarlet fever, rickets, diphtheria, typhoid fever, rheumatic fever, tuberculosis, smallpox, German measles, flu epidemics etc etc

Yep - we survived all that - and now we are locked down for something else that we will survive, and would have survived better without all the hysteria.

@allDrTemperanceBrenna n Tue 08-Sep-20 23:53:23
You’re not unreasonable at all OP. Most young people appear to be presenting without symptoms - they are not coughing or sneezing, meaning that, according to Government advice that this is passed on through coughing and sneezing, the chances of them passing it on are minimal.

Three people died of the virus in England yesterday. Three. And while it’s tragic for those people and their families, I can almost guarantee that the suicide rate will far surpass that figure. At some point, the public lost complete control of any ability to assess risk, think critically, or question the official party line. The mental health fallout from this is going to be catastrophic, but as long as the word Covid isn’t involved, nobody gives a damn.

You get it - I'm angry, not mentally ill. This isn't a world I want to live (I will, I am not actively suicidal) it's a rational response to a situation made more shite by politicians. And the complacency of people being walked into a police state taking away our human rights.

@Shockingstocking Wed 09-Sep-20 00:27:56
OP, young people need services that haven't been flattened by a covid wave. We're not going to leave you to die if you get ill, are we. Well then, we'll have to treat you. So if you want to help the younger generation, stay home. Don't suggest you're somehow sacrificing yourself and helping young people by advocating for a more 'normal' life.
The services are now flattened by overreaction not Covid. A post yesterday from an NHS employee, being paid to sit there doing nothing as the service is open and nowhere else in the NHS needs them.

@Jojobar Wed 09-Sep-20 00:38:19
I know of at least 3 people in my local area who have committed suicide since March due to their MH deteriorating massively as a result of lockdown, financial and social pressures.
Yep - more people that are healthy will die from suicide than from Covid.

@BogRollBOGOF Wed 09-Sep-20 00:42:05
I'm tired of existing this meaningless shadow life now. Life has felt pointless beyond servicing my family for months. I'm not depressed, but existing in a continued void through the winter and every hope being routinely smashed within days could tip it.
I am tired.
I am angry.
I totally agree with everything you say.

@PercyKirke Wed 09-Sep-20 00:43:30
And why the fuck should they wear masks? They are about as much use as the plague masks of the 17th century.

There is a very large body of scientific and medical opinion that would disagree with this.
The evidence that I find says that wearing medical grade masks correctly may make a difference. The people doing that are few and far between. Cotton masks; masks worn wrongly; masks constantly touched and adjusted - no evidence at all.

@Mintychoc1 Wed 09-Sep-20 00:52:41
Those of you saying people should speak to their GP - I’m a GP, what do you think we can do? People aren’t suffering from “normal” depression. ... I am absolutely convinced that deaths due to lockdown measures will outstrip deaths from Covid by many thousands. Poverty and suicide will be the memorable killers of the the Covid 19 pandemic.

Thank you for what you are doing - and I do think for many someone hearing them does help them cope with the shit even though it doesn't change the situation.

@ForrestTrump Wed 09-Sep-20 01:39:37
And in other news, somebody somewhere today had a serious accident and lost their legs/their husband/their child/etc.

but it only counts for them, the world doesn't seem to care because it's not Covid

@Torvean32 Wed 09-Sep-20 04:01:18
Im sorry but it is 20-45 year olds that account for 90% of infections. Nobody is throwing them under the bus. Those of us who follow the rules are being thrown under the bus.
Easy answer, continue being careful but make your own choices.

The more fit people get this and recover the soon we can get back to normal (real normal) life.

The vaccine may be years away. Trials have just been halted because one of the volunteers has been hospitalised with possible side effects.

@PhilCornwall1 Wed 09-Sep-20 04:41:06
... We went into lockdown as the NHS is screwed and Johnson was shit scared the NHS would be fucked over even more than it is now.

I hear you

@DownstairsMixUp Wed 09-Sep-20 07:53:43
Totally agree. I'm young, most of my friends to have all played by the rules and still getting the blame. Everyone says it's not for long but life has been on hold for months now. I really am done with it.

Good, get out there and live - distance where you can, wash your hands and live. We need you all to make it impossible to police. We have a right to a life

@allDownstairsMixUp Wed 09-Sep-20 07:59:52
Also lost my dad in a hit and run in April, couldn't have a proper funeral, I accepted it. This was hard. My dad was well liked, he never got to retire and died working. We've been holding on to the hope we can plan a memorial wake next year, again it's put on hold. In the normal world people are still dealing with actual traumatic events. Nobody knows if this vaccine will be ready next year, it's holding onto false hope. So done with it and I'm not surprised people are being noncompliant now and fed up. The whole thing is a joke.

Totally agree

@Kaktus Wed 09-Sep-20 08:04:11
Funny isn’t it? Pre Covid, if anyone started a thread where they were clearly struggling with their mental health to the extent that they were suicidal.

Thanks @Kaktus. Luckily I am not suicidal as such. I'd rather not be living in this crap but I am just angry that we are being walked into a police state. People are blaming others - the government are playing the divide and conquer game.

We should be given the information and take responsibility for ourselves. The measures are worse than the problem and will be felt for far longer. Yes a lot of people have died, we can't bring them back and carrying on like this a lot more people will die from the effects of the restrictions than will die from the virus.[/quote]
Stop Minimising.
6,507 people committed suicide in 2018.
So far, we have lost 50000 plus people in less than 6 months.
You don't want prevention put in place. Yet you as this boomer will be benefitting of you unwittingly would be one of those who'd have a worst reaction to the virus aren't you.
And quite obviously, you don't give a shit that it could be your child, grandchildren in life support. Would it be worth the very few sacrifices for a few short time?
You disagree with protecting the vulnerable. Wonderful. Now put a sock in it.

@SoloMummy

oh grow up

(and despite being fit and healthy I already have a signed DNAR lodged with my GP)

@SoloMummy

COVID-19 could reverse decades of progress toward eliminating preventable child deaths, agencies warn

is that better for you

Covid isn't the only killer and it is far less dangerous to children than lots and lots of other things

I do fear for the national mood

Bloody hell!

@VytaminSea Thank you for everything you and your colleagues do. I am so grateful.

Thanks @RealityExistsInTheHumanMind.

I should probably be getting to sleep now in fact .

Downstairsmixup I'm so sorry about your dad. I also lost my dad (not to Covid) in April, and am so disappointed that we can't hold the celebration we've been planning yet. It's really hard, and sad and frustrating

Luckily I am not suicidal as such. I'd rather not be living in this crap but I am just angry that we are being walked into a police state.

Right so you're angry and making allusions to mental health as a threat. If you're sick, get treatment. If you're not sick, come clean about that fact.

I dont think your allowed to be unhappy during a pandemic OP.

Enraged, terrified both ok but never sad because ( insert any irrelevant tragedy here) people downed on the titanic and they would litteral do anything to live through a pandemic.

I think my personality type has actually changed permanently over the last 6 months. If my life gets any smaller I'm going to disappear up my own bum hole soon 🤪

I find these talk about losing our so-called "freedom" a bit childish, sorry.
We have ALWAYS been submitted to various set of social rules - they vary from country to country. Most of them you don't even notice or think to complain about because you are used to them.

You have never been "free" to do exactly as you wanted, go where you wanted - and that's to protect others and yourself.

The pandemic has changed things a bit, but there's strictly no need to pretend the current rules are worst than they are.

@SantaClaritaDiet

I find these talk about losing our so-called "freedom" a bit childish, sorry. We have ALWAYS been submitted to various set of social rules - they vary from country to country. Most of them you don't even notice or think to complain about because you are used to them.

You have never been "free" to do exactly as you wanted, go where you wanted - and that's to protect others and yourself.

The pandemic has changed things a bit, but there's strictly no need to pretend the current rules are worst than they are.

The thing is, you only get to decide how bad the rules are for you. Not for other people. You have no idea what experience others are having.

Hi OP, I sympathize with you, it's shit there's no denying that. I think though that the way you're feeling right now is more than Covid blues and you should really speak to your GP and/or call Samaritans.

Try to remember that this isn't a permanent situation and eventually it will end.

The thing is, you only get to decide how bad the rules are for you. Not for other people. You have no idea what experience others are having.

that's not the point. It's pretending that suddenly we have "rules" and have lost our freedom that is childish. WHEN did you ever have absolute freedom - even if ,as the French would say, your freedom would only stop where others start.

I can see the inconvenience - I experienced the exact same restrictions as everyone else - but the sudden lack of "freedom"? Come on.

Wish, I just read that you said you're not suicidal just angry! WTF!! So you're using serious mental health issues to prove a point? You're taking it????

That's just fucking awful OP. I felt for you, but I won't make the same mistake again.