What is the point

[RealityExistsInTheHumanMind]

In living, if we aren't allowed to live.

Human beings are sociable animals. We went into lockdown to save the NHS from being overwhelmed

Yeah, well that happened months ago

I don't see the point in going on any more - government on a power trip. My life curtailed for nothing

Waste of time

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

I have been awake until the early hours the past few days in tears and wanting to walk down into the city and throw myself off the bridge. Not sure how healthy that is.

As you know, not at all. Call your GP, and keep the Samaritans number in your phone: 116 123. I’m sorry you’re feeling so bad

Those of you saying the op should see a GP have you actually been able to see a GP since this started?
What will happen is the GP will speak to the op on the phone for less than five minutes then write a prescription for anti depressants. No other kind of help available everything’s put into Covid 19.

Sorry OP, I didn't quite get what you were saying, please ignore my original comment and take care of yourself ❤

@Lovely1a2b3c my doctor gave me info on talking therapies a few months back but am scared they will just have the same old 'get over it' attitude everyone else seems to have.

What about people with disabilities? I have autism and they seem to change the rules all the time and I don't understand them.

I got told to leave my last job because I was having panic attacks and they kept saying i couldn't communicate properly even though I have autism but they didn't even seem to understand what that meant .

@Hont1986

Perhaps "today's generation" don't really mind wearing masks in shops if it curbs a bloody pandemic.

If wearing masks stopped viruses spreading then kids wouldn't be getting colds the minute the step into schools.

And why the fuck should they wear masks? They are about as much use as the plague masks of the 17th century.

@Fairyliz

Those of you saying the op should see a GP have you actually been able to see a GP since this started? What will happen is the GP will speak to the op on the phone for less than five minutes then write a prescription for anti depressants. No other kind of help available everything’s put into Covid 19.

Do you think that isn’t better than doing nothing?

@Fairyliz

Those of you saying the op should see a GP have you actually been able to see a GP since this started? What will happen is the GP will speak to the op on the phone for less than five minutes then write a prescription for anti depressants. No other kind of help available everything’s put into Covid 19.

I think it depends on the GP tbh. The last one I spoke to was nice and helpful but that is the luck of draw. Not all are like that.

@Cocomarine yes I already have the Samiitans number saved. Thank you .

*Samaritans

You’re not unreasonable at all OP. Most young people appear to be presenting without symptoms - they are not coughing or sneezing, meaning that, according to Government advice that this is passed on through coughing and sneezing, the chances of them passing it on are minimal.

Three people died of the virus in England yesterday. Three. And while it’s tragic for those people and their families, I can almost guarantee that the suicide rate will far surpass that figure. At some point, the public lost complete control of any ability to assess risk, think critically, or question the official party line. The mental health fallout from this is going to be catastrophic, but as long as the word Covid isn’t involved, nobody gives a damn.

@RealityExistsInTheHumanMind regardless of the efficacy of masks, please don’t take the burden of young people wearing masks on yourself.

My 12yo wears one willingly. Weeks into this, she’s still taking selfies with it on. Hasn’t complained once. Has quite enjoyed shopping for fancy patterned ones.

No, she’s doesn’t represent every child out there. But she’s not a minority. Most people are coping with the changes. Not everyone, and they, like you, deserve our support. But don’t get it into your head that an entire young generation are having a terrible time, and take that burden on yourself. Some are, like you. Most are doing OK.

I’m sorry you feel this way. A lot of people are worried about young people in all of this, some I feel are underestimating the resilience and adaptability of young people. I have to say from my own experience of working with a lot of them they are as others have said upbeat, still seeing friends and having fun. Many feel things are nearly back to normal- they don’t feel their lives are on hold. Those going to school and work aren’t limited to the six people. Maybe you should try and speak to your gp as this seems to be really affecting your mental well-being.

@DrTemperanceBrennan

You’re not unreasonable at all OP. Most young people appear to be presenting without symptoms - they are not coughing or sneezing, meaning that, according to Government advice that this is passed on through coughing and sneezing, the chances of them passing it on are minimal.

Three people died of the virus in England yesterday. Three. And while it’s tragic for those people and their families, I can almost guarantee that the suicide rate will far surpass that figure. At some point, the public lost complete control of any ability to assess risk, think critically, or question the official party line. The mental health fallout from this is going to be catastrophic, but as long as the word Covid isn’t involved, nobody gives a damn.

Agree about suicides. This is not a popular opinion on here but I think there will end up being more deaths from suicide, domestic violence and untreated cancer and other illnesses because of this.

How many people are now ignoring symptoms and signs of illnesses because they can't get an appointment with their GP or don't want to burden the NHS because they know how overstretched it is right now? Help for mental health and domestic violence victims is lacking at the best of times never mind right now.

@StoneofDestiny

We are very lucky Older people in the UK had childhoods/teenage years/ young adulthood blighted by polio, whooping cough, scarlet fever, rickets, diphtheria, typhoid fever, rheumatic fever, tuberculosis, smallpox, German measles, flu epidemics etc etc

We have vaccinations and living conditions that combat many of these things now.

Developing countries still battle with diseases we have vaccines for including battling other viruses and diseases - cholera, yellow fever, Ebola, dengue fever, SARS to name just a few.

Most of us are being temporarily inconvenienced to protect ourselves and others. Those who have died would swap places with us.

Was with you until the last paragraph.

TLDR Blame - young people. Guilt trip - older people. Benefit - 30 - 60yr olds in power (whilst shitting on mums in that age group)

I'd happily swap with someone who had died. My sister died 20 years ago - maybe she would have coped with this better than me.

I have survived all those things and now young people are expected to lock down and not live their lives for people my age and older. We lived through those things, enjoyed the 60s, fucked off the establishment and then bought cheap houses etc etc. but it isn't us that is expecting the kids to do this it's those currently 'in charge'. Well not in my name.

I don't want, can't cope, hate the fact that the twats in government now are blaming the youngsters and guilt tripping them with older people - ALL so THEY the government and others generally white middle aged men can continue to live their privileged lives.

They can get stuffed with it

I don't think YABU, OP. Am not sure I can manage to chivvy my DC along much more. DC2 is in Y6 and has started to realise how much she's going to miss in term of 'the lasts' this term alone - Christmas services and productions to name but two. DC4 will miss out on a small birthday tea with his friends just after the new rules come in (DC3 had the same, one day after the March lockdown started) and his first Nativity, and his start of school
has been so different. DC1 is now 3 years from referral for an ASD assessment that we finally had arranged for April and got cancelled. And after one visit all year to their grandparents, looks like that's off for the foreseeable future. They've all been so good and made the best of it - not sure how much longer they can do so.

Makes my blood boil you lot writing in here that young people are coping well. Maybe a few are in your little lives but that's not significant overall is it, so why comment? Listen to GPs who are increasingly overwhelmed by the mental health crisis caused by lockdown. Completely concur with OP - get over yourselves oldies and let young people be prioritised. I'm old myself and sick of the sentimentalised attitude towards old people who have already lived full lives.

If you need medical help with your mental health, see a doctor. If it's not bad enough for that, I find it hard to believe you're suffering that badly

Do you think it's meaningful to wait until a vaccine will probably be available next year? If no, why on earth not. You'd presumably be willing to put your life on hold to have chemo if it meant buying time in the future. Whether you approve of the measures being taken, this works out broadly similar in many ways.

If you do think life will once again be meaningful next year some time, your OP is a very nihilist and catastrophising way to view a temporary predicament.

The government will not be remotely interested if you sit in your PJ's and don't brush your hair so you might as well make the best of it for now. There's lots of point. We're not all succumbing to Ebola. We're just curtailed, lonely and fed up. Unless you really consider you're not well, in which case see above.

Also, I do wonder if younger people have been coping ok because things have been improving from their perspective - easing of restrictions, lifting of lockdown etc. The prospect of losing this may make all the difference.

areal

Are you aware that recent research points towards an improvement in young people's mental health over lockdown? It seems that school is a bit stressful for many kids and they improved without it. Who knew.

Lockdown has merely kicked the can down the road.

^^
We need to kick it down the road until we get a vaccine though. And / or a reliable treatment.

OP, young people need services that haven't been flattened by a covid wave. We're not going to leave you to die if you get ill, are we. Well then, we'll have to treat you. So if you want to help the younger generation, stay home. Don't suggest you're somehow sacrificing yourself and helping young people by advocating for a more 'normal' life.

Why on earth wouldn't you want to kick the can down the road to a certain extent if there's a good chance of a vaccine next year? Are vast sections of our society really so expendable that we can overlook the difference an emerging vaccine makes to the covid landscape? It doesn't erase the hardships of lockdown but it does make the argument for shrugging our shoulders indefensible. This is in all likelihood temporary. The 40 000+ people we have lost are never coming back and many lives are damaged by that. Young people need their parents and grandparents and everything that comes with not being flattened by a covid surge, basically.

OP I agree with you.

I know 2 people who have had Covid. Both survived.

I know of at least 3 people in my local area who have committed suicide since March due to their MH deteriorating massively as a result of lockdown, financial and social pressures.

My DC have just returned to the gym/ swimming, to football training, we were all looking forward to Parkrun restarting. I was about to rejoin my Slimming World class. At least some of that now is on indefinite hold and they are bloody fed up with it all. As am I frankly.

We've observed the rules; I hate masks and think they're useless but I wear them. However in every shop I go to 50% of people are wearing them so either their nose or mouth and nose are exposed - what is the fucking point of that?

Not to mention illegal raves, people going abroad and not quarantining, no one social distancing at all. Stuff plastered all over social media yet absolutely nothing is done.

Meanwhile people are dying because they can't get any treatment for their non Covid related illnesses.

On a bright side, it pushed all the Brexit babble way down the agenda.

I'm tired of existing this meaningless shadow life now. Life has felt pointless beyond servicing my family for months. I'm not depressed, but existing in a continued void through the winter and every hope being routinely smashed within days could tip it.

This was the first week where I have to purposefully get up in the mornings. Where I have places to be.

I need to get DS1 an EHCP. Lockdown happened soon after diagnosis. He's only y5, but really we needed to see the secondaries at their autumn open evenings so it's not a rush decision next year. We are in serious danger that Covid is fucking up his secondary school life if we make an ill-informed choice now plus paperwork backing up in an ineffective system. He coped well with a quiet life in lockdown... but the toll of it is yet to come and could be felt for years.

I gave up my career to support DS1, and all those props that I use to give my life external meaning have been sacrificed for 6 months already and could be in imminent danger of being stolen from me again.

I am tired.
I am angry.

The national social and economic cost is worse than the disease.

My dad dropped dead in the street of a heart attack when I was 11. No one banned beer and cream cakes for the greater good or to stop another child's heart being ripped out by grief.

This is a long tunnel of shit. Logically, I know that there is hope, an ending because we can not quash basic human social needs and destroy the economy for ever. But we're 6 months in and stil being treated like pawns in an ineffible game of chess, and could easily only be halfway.

Covid is not the only threat to life and health.