To feel in despair for the kids

[JudesBiggestFan]

My son was one of 400 children sent home from two bubbles in his high school today to isolate for 14 days. He's in Year 7 and it was his fourth day in his new school.
He'd been catching the bus, made a new friend, had settled in so much better than I hoped after the past few chaotic disrupted months. And now he's home again.
Not only that, he is now going to miss his cricket presentation and first two football matches of the season, not be able to see friends and family, all for the pleasure of three days of schooling.
And I can see this happening over and over and over again. Luckily childcare isnt an issue as I work from home, but I'm just so sad for kids missing out. Six months off and it seems we're back where we started with no end in sight

But the evidence is showing that the virus isn’t hospitalising people or killing people the way that it did.

The evidence isn't showing that the virus causes less hospitalisations at all. There was previously a lag and there could be this time. That is what is happening in other countries such as France. That is what happened in the US. Time will tell whether that happens here. Hopefully the rise in cases would ultimately lead to rising hospitalisations and deaths but we can't just let it rip through the population and hope for the best. We have to be cautious until we know what the risk is.

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@mrpumblechook

But the evidence is showing that the virus isn’t hospitalising people or killing people the way that it did.

The evidence isn't showing that the virus causes less hospitalisations at all. There was previously a lag and there could be this time. That is what is happening in other countries such as France. That is what happened in the US. Time will tell whether that happens here. Hopefully the rise in cases would ultimately lead to rising hospitalisations and deaths but we can't just let it rip through the population and hope for the best. We have to be cautious until we know what the risk is.

Yes it is! You can find ALL data on the NHS website. Total number of beds occupied by COVID patients AND patients on ventilators (56 out of 55 MILLION)

There are ^thousands

Cases have been rising for a few weeks and STILL no rise. How long is your ‘lag’? A month? Two months?

There are thousands more NHS staff off work due to isolation and waiting tests results than actually COVID patients. It’s a farce!!

The let’s just wait and see approach is causing huge problems for 98% of the population that won’t be effected by this. Absolutely bonkers!

@Cloudtraffic

the lives of our young people are being ruined for a virus that does not impact them Yep tell that to the hundreds of thousands of kids who have lost a relative to this ( great-grandparents, extended family, parents and more - I’d say that has a massive impact

Well thats impossible since hundreds of thousands havent died have they

We didn't have many people in hospital with Covid in February either

But April still happened.

The entire thing has got out of hand. We've wrecked our economy, our children's education and our mental health, for what? What happens, when you actually take a close look at the figures and see that actually vanishingly small number of healthy under 70's have actually died. The entire thing was blown hugely out of proportion from the start. It is truly sad when great grandma dies at 96 from coronavirus, but let's be real, if it wasn't that it would have been something else within the year anyway.

Cases have been rising for a few weeks and STILL no rise. How long is your ‘lag’? A month? Two months?

They haven't been rising by much at all. There are about 3000 cases now compared with probably around a hundred thousand cases a day few months ago. If the cases are mainly amongst young people at the moment that doesn't mean it will stay that way. It certainly didn't last time. In the US cases were rising for some time before hospitalisations and deaths started to rise.

@Wannakisstheteacher

The entire thing has got out of hand. We've wrecked our economy, our children's education and our mental health, for what? What happens, when you actually take a close look at the figures and see that actually vanishingly small number of healthy under 70's have actually died. The entire thing was blown hugely out of proportion from the start. It is truly sad when great grandma dies at 96 from coronavirus, but let's be real, if it wasn't that it would have been something else within the year anyway.

The entire thing has got out of hand. We've wrecked our economy, our children's education and our mental health, for what?

Um... Could it be so that a huge number of people did not die. The fact that it worked doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened. Far from it.

@Wannakisstheteacher

The entire thing has got out of hand. We've wrecked our economy, our children's education and our mental health, for what? What happens, when you actually take a close look at the figures and see that actually vanishingly small number of healthy under 70's have actually died. The entire thing was blown hugely out of proportion from the start. It is truly sad when great grandma dies at 96 from coronavirus, but let's be real, if it wasn't that it would have been something else within the year anyway.

This. 100 times over.

‘The entire thing has got out of hand. We've wrecked our economy, our children's education and our mental health, for what? What happens, when you actually take a close look at the figures and see that actually vanishingly small number of healthy under 70's have actually died. The entire thing was blown hugely out of proportion from the start. It is truly sad when great grandma dies at 96 from coronavirus, but let's be real, if it wasn't that it would have been something else within the year anyway.‘

What about the immunosuppressed child with a non curable condition, who has a life expectancy of about 25. Should they just die anyway age 9. What about completely healthy fun loving granny at 71, but has well managed diabetes? What about John aged 31, with chronic asthma. Are they all expendable, Because everyone else is fed up and wants to get back to normal. What kind of nation are we? If we take that attitude, why not stop all benefits as well, and the NHS. You know the rest of us can all work and pay for our food and shelter and healthcare. If others can’t, well that’s sad, but hey, we shouldn’t all have to pay for it should we.... 🙄 In fact if all these old and vulnerable people are such a nuisance to have to accommodate them perhaps we’d be better off without them. Oooh what could we do...
oh wait... that’s what Hitler did 😡

I know I’m jumping to extremes here. But look at history and how Hitler and ethnic cleaning started, and how many many people thought it seemed a good idea to start with.

We all need to just get on with life . The vulnerable should isolate if they feel. Personally I feel the situation is a load of rubbish and the government aren’t being truthful.

Huge numbers were never going to die. I had it in March, I recovered (obviously) despite having a severe case and asthma, as did every single person I know who had it. Yes, you do have cases of young healthy people who have died, but the numbers are literally the same as the number of people who die from undiagnosed broccoli allergies each year. The people who died - firstly there are huge numbers who did not die from it but were counted - secondly, the vast VAST majority were elderly and infirm. They were going to die of sonething pretty soon anyway. This is not cutting down people in the prime of their lives. It just isn't. I swear this is the Emperors New Clothes mark II.

And no, I will say it. I am not willing to make any more ridiculous sacrifices so Great Aunt Joan can live to 100 rather than 99. I'm just not. If she wants to shield herself then great, crack on. It is not about purposefully killing these people, it is about them taking responsibility for themselves and not forcing the rest of us to pussy foot around for months or even years.

But it’s not just 99 year old aunt Joan is it.
What is you had a child with cancer, or cystic fibrosis, or any number of chronic conditions.

@Wannakisstheteacher

Huge numbers were never going to die. I had it in March, I recovered (obviously) despite having a severe case and asthma, as did every single person I know who had it. Yes, you do have cases of young healthy people who have died, but the numbers are literally the same as the number of people who die from undiagnosed broccoli allergies each year. The people who died - firstly there are huge numbers who did not die from it but were counted - secondly, the vast VAST majority were elderly and infirm. They were going to die of sonething pretty soon anyway. This is not cutting down people in the prime of their lives. It just isn't. I swear this is the Emperors New Clothes mark II.

How do people still not understand what exponential spread?

There were 70,000 excess deaths in a matter of weeks, even with a lockdown.

Covid deaths were under-reported. Not over reported. Alzheimer's deaths were up 83% in April and May. If someone was previously diagnosed with anything considered terminal and died outside a hospital there's a good chance they were categorised as dying from the thing they were diagnosed with previously. No one knows how many of the stroke deaths were covid-related. And we probably never will.

And 70,000 extra deaths outside of winter flu season, during a lockdown when almost ALL other causes of death are down is truly terrifying to anyone who understand what exponential means.

Buckle up buttercup.

If this government doesn't get a grip this autumn-winter is going to be quite a lot worse.

Then I would do what I felt I needed to. I wouldn't expect the rest of the country to stop! I don't want to catch HIV so I would never sleep with someone without using a condom - I wouldn't also expect the entire country to stop having sex. I take responsibility for myself and I think everyone needs to do the same.

@Wannakisstheteacher

Huge numbers were never going to die. I had it in March, I recovered (obviously) despite having a severe case and asthma, as did every single person I know who had it. Yes, you do have cases of young healthy people who have died, but the numbers are literally the same as the number of people who die from undiagnosed broccoli allergies each year. The people who died - firstly there are huge numbers who did not die from it but were counted - secondly, the vast VAST majority were elderly and infirm. They were going to die of sonething pretty soon anyway. This is not cutting down people in the prime of their lives. It just isn't. I swear this is the Emperors New Clothes mark II.

Okay since we're going there, why is your mental health more important than a generation of healthy children who misfortunately have been born to vulnerable parents? Or the vulnerable teachers who teach, should we lock them up too? Why even bother to provide healthcare to old people, we should make them stay indoors until their final sun sets, which won't be long according to you.

So children with cancer or cystic fibrosis should stay locked up . Their mental health and happiness doesn’t matter? What about their education. Or does that not matter because they will die young anyway and probably be on disability benefits too? What if they need to go to the hospital, or shops, or exercise.
It’s not as simple as just not having sex without a condom is it?
The risk of covid19 for these children is everywhere.

The worse ones in all of this are the people who make this into some kind of competition. We are all suffering, one way or another. A young life and and old life are still precious in their own ways. A civil society recognises both.

@Wannakisstheteacher

Then I would do what I felt I needed to. I wouldn't expect the rest of the country to stop! I don't want to catch HIV so I would never sleep with someone without using a condom - I wouldn't also expect the entire country to stop having sex. I take responsibility for myself and I think everyone needs to do the same.

This is the dumbest comparison I've seen yet.

The difference between choose to have sex without a condom/abstain vs choosing to step out of the door to be educated, get groceries because you don't understand the internet, see people... Wtf

@Wannakisstheteacher then if we go back to shielding all the extremely vulnerable again, a lot of places will be very short staffed. Including schools and the NHS

@mrpumblechook

Cases have been rising for a few weeks and STILL no rise. How long is your ‘lag’? A month? Two months?

They haven't been rising by much at all. There are about 3000 cases now compared with probably around a hundred thousand cases a day few months ago. If the cases are mainly amongst young people at the moment that doesn't mean it will stay that way. It certainly didn't last time. In the US cases were rising for some time before hospitalisations and deaths started to rise.

So how long was it in the US?

Where do you think these young people live? Do none of them live with anybody over 45? Are all the older and vulnerable people locked in a cupboard?

I often wonder what the people who say "we should just get on with it" actually do themselves and why they feel that they are so valuable in comparison to those that are vulnerable. Many of the posters seem to spend a lot of time on MN during the day suggesting that they don't have a lot to do. Maybe some people would say that they are the ones that aren't of much value.

Yes it's a shame. But life goes on in different ways.

I can honestly say that being evacuated to Monmouthshire was a life changer for my mother - she hated it, demanded she went home and then re-evacuated to a lovely family in the midlands, where she learned independence, resilience and how to knit - and it shaped her thoughts on what she wanted to do with her life rather than be under the influence of her overbearing father, and in turn lead to a great career where she inspired many others.

Quite sure a great many of this generation of kids will do something equally amazing in their lives. I know one pair of 10 year olds have been teaching themselves computer programming for example, who knows they could be the next Mark Zuckerberg?!