Summarise the performance of the current UK government

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Summarise in maximum 3 words the performance of the current UK government

Yes because there wasn't the testing capacity at that stage. So testing was obviously prioritised for the sickest, not those fit for discharge

What was the point of testing the sickest? They weren’t going anywhere to spread the infection. Once more, very slowly - nobody with Covid, particularly the very old, was fit for discharge. Your determination to defend the indefensible is embarrassing.

Obfuscation, confusion, inconsistency.

@VinylDetective

Yes because there wasn't the testing capacity at that stage. So testing was obviously prioritised for the sickest, not those fit for discharge

What was the point of testing the sickest? They weren’t going anywhere to spread the infection. Once more, very slowly - nobody with Covid, particularly the very old, was fit for discharge. Your determination to defend the indefensible is embarrassing.

Well said. The elderly and vulnerable have been fed to the dogs and only the most heartless (of whom we seem to have many on MN) are able to, unbelievably, think that is OK.

@GetOffYourHighHorse, you’re right that the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed in the way that Italy’s health system was. Few health systems were.

However, our government should have heeded the warning and locked down quickly and decisively. Unfortunately, they dithered. Our Covid death rate continued to rise and peaked at nearly 1,000 deaths per day.

It’s interesting to note that overall, female leaders coped much better with the pandemic than their male counterparts.

metro.co.uk/2020/08/19/women-leaders-acted-quickly-decisively-save-lives-covid-19-study-says-13145052/

@GetOffYourHighHorse

Better to be ventilated in an Italian corridor than told your mother wasn't going to be ventilated at all because she was 80.

(Not my mother, her sister)

Italy's overwhelmed health system was only in two regions and those needing critical care were thus airlifted if necessary to the south, which remains largely unaffected by Covid, or in a couple of cases, to Germany.
And, overwhelmed it may have been in some areas, but they've currently buried 10,000 fewer than the UK.

[quote TheSeedsOfADream]@GetOffYourHighHorse

Better to be ventilated in an Italian corridor than told your mother wasn't going to be ventilated at all because she was 80.

(Not my mother, her sister)[/quote]

'Once more, very slowly - nobody with Covid, particularly the very old, was fit for discharge. Your determination to defend the indefensible is embarrassing.'

No need to patronise with 'very slowly' comments. Of course all 4 nations have made errors, look at Nicola's nike conference cover up for example. I won't defend every mistake but in a pandemic sadly there will be errors.

The point is we know you don't keep people in hospital purely because they have tested positive anyway. If someone was a patient for other reasons but was clinically well enough for discharge then in the absence of testing all the care homes had to do was use infection control procedures in case they were, ie isolate for 14days. They don't seem to have managed that do they. To sound like Brylcream Keith... Why?

'Better to be ventilated in an Italian corridor than told your mother wasn't going to be ventilated at all because she was 80'

Sorry to hear that but critical care wasn't ever overwhelmed so I'm guessing the intensivists involved thought she wouldn't survive invasive treatment.

What's with all the silly little sneery names for politicians you don't like? It's a tad daily fail, isn't it?

Having said that, I acknowledge I undermine myself using a sneery little nickname for the Daily Mail.

It just seems so. . . puerile, somehow.

Cummings leads them.

@mbosnz

What's with all the silly little sneery names for politicians you don't like? It's a tad daily fail, isn't it?

Are you serious?!! RTFT I've just lowered myself to the same level.

And correct, 'daily fail' is puerile too.

@mbosnz

What's with all the silly little sneery names for politicians you don't like? It's a tad daily fail, isn't it?

Absolutely. It loses credibility instantly. Still plugging away with deflecting the blame away from the government @GetOffYourHighHorse, how bad do they have to get for you to stop defending them?

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, or picking any sides, I just get bloody sick of it. Like 'Aunt Cindy' for Jacinda Ardern in NZ. What does it add in terms of weight to the commentary?

'Absolutely. It loses credibility instantly. Still plugging away with deflecting the blame'

Oh give over. It's a whole thread of puerile comments. True though, barring my own of course, few credible comments among them

Still waiting for someone to explain why care homes failed so spectacularly in the most basic of infection prevention and control practice. No no wait I know the answer, it's because Cummings went to Barnard Castle!

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Absolutely. It loses credibility instantly. Still plugging away with deflecting the blame'

Oh give over. It's a whole thread of puerile comments. True though, barring my own of course, few credible comments among them

Still waiting for someone to explain why care homes failed so spectacularly in the most basic of infection prevention and control practice. No no wait I know the answer, it's because Cummings went to Barnard Castle!

You missed this, then?

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-care-homes-nhs-hospital-discharges-deaths-a9544671.html

Remember that there wasn’t enough PPE for even the NHS? Forgotten that care home owners tried to push back and were bulldozed? That local authorities removed funding from care homes that refused hospital discharges?

I wonder how long the current incumbents can stave off any inquiry into the Government's Covid response?

Given their degree of practice (Windrush, Grenfell), I'm guessing they're pretty good at that side of things. . .

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The scandal was that people weren’t tested before being discharged to care homes. If they had Covid, they weren’t fit for discharge.'

Yes because there wasn't the testing capacity at that stage. So testing was obviously prioritised for the sickest, not those fit for discharge. Guidance said it was safe to discharge as long as infection prevention and control measures were in place. A nursing home should have managed this they have often have outbreaks of other infectious diseases. Isolate discharged patients for 14 days. It should have been straightforward.

Some didn't though, in many cases they failed. In the inquiries that will follow I hope care home owners are held to account as well as the Government.

@GetOffYourHighHorse I hope when the inquiries are held the current Government is held to account too.

I'm still waiting for a poster to actually give a 3 word endorsement of the Government's performance.

I wouldn't say the comments above are puerile, I'd class them as accurately descriptive.

I hope that those that were set up to fail, are able to put their failures at the feet of those who seek to infer that they did their very best, and it was everybody else that was quite simply not up to the job, while giving avoiding any sort of accountability on their part their very best shot. . .

I still can't believe a British Prime Minister went on television and told us that many of us would lose family members before their time and we went "oh".

I still can't believe a British Prime Minister went on television and told us that many of us would lose family members before their time and we went "oh".

I'm sorry, I did snicker when the silly twat got it, based entirely on that. He was presuming/assuming that he was somehow immune, by virtue of his station in life, no doubt.

The same prime minister who was quite smug about shaking hands with Covid patients. Then he got it himself.

'still waiting for a poster to actually give a 3 word endorsement of the Government's performance'

Why? are we kids, is it all some kind of game, must it be 3 words or your'e it?

They are doing as well/as badly as every other country in the middle of a pandemic. It's so tedious, there was massive financial support for the NHS and social care, one of the best furloughing schemes in europe, shielding people looked after etc etc. Yet Cummings went to isolate at his parents and theyre all criminals it seems.

Those that compare our 54m pop and a 500 per sq mile density population with NZ 4m pop with a15 per sq mile density pop and say didnt Jacinda do well are well suited to 3 word games.