Children mustn't see grandparents until vaccine found?

[Witterywoman]

Now that the kids are back at school, SIL has said her kids must isolate from both sets of grandparents in case they give them Covid picked up at school, and this must continue until a vaccine is found. All 4 grandparents are over 70 but healthy, no health conditions to speak of. My parents are particularly upset and don't understand it. I don't get it either and don't intend to stop them seeing my kids.

Are we missing something?

Look at S Korea. Fewer than 400 deaths, last I looked. Because their citizens cooperated and were guided by science, not selfish emotions.

Is that a definitive fact? Some countries in Africa had lower rates of death and it's believed the cause of this was an overall younger population and, quite tellingly, a very low rate of overweight and obese people. It's also thought to be possibly because people who do develop other health conditions in such areas don't have as good a survival rate so you have fewer people with underlying conditions contracting Covid.

The fewer of the rest of us going out, the safer the shoppers and other essential workers will be.

Safer from what?

Certainly not the health issues caused by poverty and long term unemployment.

I honestly can’t get my head around this mindset that all that matters in society is people not getting or dying from Covid. Utterly bonkers.

[quote LittleBearPad]@PerveenMistry so we only care about deaths caused by the pandemic? Not the other avoidable ones

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That doesn't make sense. This thread is about pandemic risk, not malaria. There is no relationship between the two diseases.

@Friendsoftheearth

The selfish will continue to demand that the elderly are put at risk for their personal benefit/convenience, and that we can all die from literally anything so why bother protecting them.

It is such a lame excuse - designed to serve your own needs whatever the cost, even the death of a cherished loved one. The selfish refuse to have their lives 'put on hold' or curtailed in anyway because they don't think it is going to happen to them. The epitome of pure arrogance.

It is an old script on here since the pandemic began, people completely incapable of putting the lives of others first and foremost. Incapable of caring enough to say we will see you for a walk, but we love you and need to keep you safe, that way we will have you for many more decades to come. Nope.

They will scream and shout that covid is all just drama and the risk is zilch, even as we watch the infection rate creep up and up, and every country around us is now battling a second wave. The selfish will still only serve themselves with their lame narrative - it is not even worth trying to reason with these people! Pointless. You can't force people to care.
They will just have to find out the hard way, an sadly those closest to them will probably pay the ultimate price.

I wonder how that will feel when it really comes to it.

Have you ever considered shouting your wisdom on a street corner wearing a sandwich board saying "the end is nigh"? It would really suit you!

Not minimising the illness and we have been extremely careful re social distancing. No elderly or vulnerable people have been endangered on my watch. But really, you need to calm the fuck down woman. You sound absolutely unhinged.

@Friendsoftheearth please stop calling people who are trying their best selfish its not helpful. some people are but the majority are really trying.

@Friendsoftheearth

The selfish will continue to demand that the elderly are put at risk for their personal benefit/convenience, and that we can all die from literally anything so why bother protecting them.

It is such a lame excuse - designed to serve your own needs whatever the cost, even the death of a cherished loved one. The selfish refuse to have their lives 'put on hold' or curtailed in anyway because they don't think it is going to happen to them. The epitome of pure arrogance.

It is an old script on here since the pandemic began, people completely incapable of putting the lives of others first and foremost. Incapable of caring enough to say we will see you for a walk, but we love you and need to keep you safe, that way we will have you for many more decades to come. Nope.

They will scream and shout that covid is all just drama and the risk is zilch, even as we watch the infection rate creep up and up, and every country around us is now battling a second wave. The selfish will still only serve themselves with their lame narrative - it is not even worth trying to reason with these people! Pointless. You can't force people to care.
They will just have to find out the hard way, an sadly those closest to them will probably pay the ultimate price.

I wonder how that will feel when it really comes to it.

I don’t even where to begin with this pile of absolute rubbish!

@TheKeatingFive

so we only care about deaths caused by the pandemic? Not the other avoidable ones

That’s the message, loud and clear.

Good to know

Some people on this thread (not you @TheKeatingFive) are extraordinarily thick.

I certainly didn't leave that hospital unscarred myself, and without my child, either, she was in the chapel of rest. There aren't many 'nice' ways to die, unfortunately (another thread but I support legalised assisted suicide or at least greater recognition of advanced directives such as living wills).

@WhereTheCrawdadsSingHave you ever considered shouting your wisdom on a street corner wearing a sandwich board saying "the end is nigh"? It would really suit you!
that would be unsafe and selfish to shout and aspirate on people surely

Not minimising the illness and we have been extremely careful re social distancing. No elderly or vulnerable people have been endangered on my watch. But really, you need to calm the fuck down woman. You sound absolutely unhinged

Agreed

There are two notable contributors to this thread who do their cause more harm than good with their hand-wringing over emotive shit. Oh and those of you virtue signaling about the sanctity of each individual life would do well to think about how you speak to someone who has just shared the details of their child's death.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd I am so sorry for your loss

My in-laws in their early 70s and terrified of COVID. They are utterly miserable and lonely, refusing to attend medical appointments for health issues they actually have, fallen out with most of their friends who are more relaxed than they are. We drive for hours to sit socially distanced in their garden and it was clear they weren’t comfortable. The only good thing about COVID they are now refusing to see us until there is a vaccine. A shame for the DC for bloody marvellous for me. How many of the COVID hysterics have signed up for the vaccine trials out of interest. Or will be letting other people take the risk for you on that as well?

It's common to have PTSD from being in ICU no matter what it's from. My BIL was in after cardiac arrest and had it. But hey, it wasn't covid.

@MadameBlobby

Surely we need to do EVERYTHING possible to save every single life

Unrealistic and stupid.

People are living longer and longer due to advances with medicines and modern life and luxuries relative to previous generations. There's too many people on the planet mainly as a result of this and viruses like Covid, as horrible as it is, are partly natures way for population control.

There's a modern expectation that nobody should ever die. I'm as guilty as anyone else as I want my elderly relatives to live as long as possible. But the planet and the climate can't sustain so many people.

@PerveenMistry

I know that there’s no link between Covid and Malaria but thank you for missing the point again.

However the argument has been made that we should do everything possible to avoid Covid as it will kill people.

My point and that of other people on this thread is that we don’t do everything possible to avoid other serious diseases that kill hundreds of thousands of people now like malaria and in the past (in the U.K. polio, measles, diphtheria etc).

Why does Covid get special significance - your only argument is it’s a pandemic...

Can really only see a couple of people close to 'screaming and shouting' here , and it's patently obvious who they are.

[quote LittleBearPad]@PerveenMistry

I know that there’s no link between Covid and Malaria but thank you for missing the point again.

However the argument has been made that we should do everything possible to avoid Covid as it will kill people.

My point and that of other people on this thread is that we don’t do everything possible to avoid other serious diseases that kill hundreds of thousands of people now like malaria and in the past (in the U.K. polio, measles, diphtheria etc).

Why does Covid get special significance - your only argument is it’s a pandemic...[/quote]
I don't think you understand the concept of contagion and how it works with COVID. Do you really think this is no different than any other disease? Not sure I can help you if that's the case.

No wonder we are where we are, six months in.

I think this thread is getting pointless

How many of the COVID hysterics have signed up for the vaccine trials out of interest. Or will be letting other people take the risk for you on that as well?

Oh you know the type. They’ll batter on about it being “unsafe” and “untested” while still complaining about the pandemic but won’t have the vaccine until everyone else has had it.

What this is doing to people’s mental state is getting quite scary now.

@ParveenMistry there is actually a link between Covid and malaria. Let me explain... The pandemic has led to a huge global drop in charitable giving. Much of the measures taken against malaria are funded by charities - do you see the link? Save the Children have said that the pandemic will cause a huge increase in deaths due to malaria. That's why we need to take covid seriously but also remain vigilant to the wider context and, for want of a better term, the potential collateral damage.

No I don’t think it’s no different

But at the end of the day a dead person is a dead person. Does it matter that they die of apparently preventable Covid (as long as you never leave your house) or preventable malaria.

You have argued there’s a difference.

My dc will see their vulnerable GPs the last weekend of half term. They have a couple of inset days as well as the week and that way I can keep them away from others for 10 days before to keep my parents safer.

I see her point of view but a vaccine might never come. It should be GPs decision really. Perhaps she'd find it hard to see inlaws and not her own parents and that's where its come from.

The problem is the risk of exponential growth, which of course means we can’t go back to normal. It doesn’t mean we should all sit at home forever (except the workers you expect to work to ensure you can get food) so that no other person never gets it or dies of it. That’s totally unrealistic.