Children mustn't see grandparents until vaccine found?

[Witterywoman]

Now that the kids are back at school, SIL has said her kids must isolate from both sets of grandparents in case they give them Covid picked up at school, and this must continue until a vaccine is found. All 4 grandparents are over 70 but healthy, no health conditions to speak of. My parents are particularly upset and don't understand it. I don't get it either and don't intend to stop them seeing my kids.

Are we missing something?

However if anything happened the SIL would have to live with the knowledge. Maybe she doesn’t want to do that.

Which is understandable, but say a vaccine is years away and something happens to one of the parents in the meantime, while they've been estranged from the grandchildren.

Precautions and risk assessments should be taken, but you can't lose all perspective. It's not the bubonic plague.

Oh no problem then, eh? hmm

Eh? WTF? My child died. So I asked the question, are they not sedating people on vents because IME they knock you out to put one in and you stay that way. As ways go to die, it was not as bad as some I had already seen for the person who is passing away. I was grateful she did not suffer the way some others I know did. If they are not then I can see why it would be awful, so I asked the question because the only experience I have, you are not aware you are on a vent.

@Friendsoftheearth

max and you want that for others do you? Surely we need to do EVERYTHING possible to save every single life.

Best all go back into full lockdown then.

@Friendsoftheearth

madame don't be ridiculous, if you have your shopping delivered, only see friends min 2 m away in the garden and enjoy walking or outside life, then you most likely will remain clear of covid. It is preventable.

I think you’re the one being ridiculous. So it’s preventable if you stay stuck indoors and only ever see anyone from a distance? Sure. Not really “preventable” then other than by existing as a hermit. Most deaths would probably be “preventable” by your definition if people did that.

Even if there’s a vaccine Covid will still be around. Your definition of an “entirely preventable” disease must be very different to mine.

267 000 children under five died of malaria last year. Entirely preventable, with enough global political will. Few people gave a shiny shite about that one.

@PerveenMistry maybe that last pub night or shopping trip was necessary have you heard of mental health and how many lifes that takes
Do you eat ? I mean you expect that shop worker to still go in to work and delivery drivers and so on
The dr's and nurses etc ppe is not a 100 percent protection

Surely we need to do EVERYTHING possible to save every single life

Unrealistic and stupid.

@Friendsoftheearth

madame don't be ridiculous, if you have your shopping delivered, only see friends min 2 m away in the garden and enjoy walking or outside life, then you most likely will remain clear of covid. It is preventable.

And the person delivering your shopping?

He can’t do as you say. Can he.

@MaxNormal

267 000 children under five died of malaria last year. Entirely preventable, with enough global political will. Few people gave a shiny shite about that one.

Exactly! Of course not, doesn't happen here. Tens of thousands also die from measles, again, preventable. Africa only recently eradicated polio, it had been killing and maiming away.

@MaxNormal

267 000 children under five died of malaria last year. Entirely preventable, with enough global political will. Few people gave a shiny shite about that one.

Malaria is not as contagious. That's why it's not classified as pandemic, tragic as those deaths are.

if you have your shopping delivered, only see friends min 2 m away in the garden and enjoy walking or outside life, then you most likely will remain clear of covid. It is preventable.

But only for you. All the people who work in food production and delivery have to take those risks so you don’t have to.

@MaxNormal

267 000 children under five died of malaria last year. Entirely preventable, with enough global political will. Few people gave a shiny shite about that one.

Exactly this. The reaction to this virus by many in this country is rooted in western and wealthy privilege.

@LittleBearPad exactly that , if we all just stayed home and went for a sd walk , how would we eat , have our rubbish collected etc

@PerveenMistry .' I don't want to needlessly die in ICU strangling on my own blood'

well I'm at a loose end this weekend so I just might want to do that
sorry couldn't resist.
but seriously I am interested and want to make sure I'm being responsible, eg a friend's asked me to the pub next week, inside, in a group. i'll say no. but will still see aged rels in an sd way. I think that's OK hopefully.

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@Friendsoftheearth how awful to say that a patient may be there thinking of they had been a little more careful , so the dr's and nurses that caught it should of been more careful or the old lady in a home , or the person that just forgot once to maybe wash their hands , covid is not entirely preventable you can only fo your best . Everytime you go to a shop even with all precautions there is always a very slight risk [/quote]
I agree, @Friendsoftheearth has really reached a new low there. My sister who is a doctor treated a covid ward and caught it (she has the antibodies). She had mild symptoms etc, but the notion she could have prevented herself catching it is ridiculous.

She also, (if you insist on going this road), is actually slightly less worried about it since she treated all her covid patients. As, many of them had underlying conditions which she had thought would have meant almost certain death and agony. Obviously, you can't minimise and it is an awful illness, but she said her patients had surprisingly mild symptoms. They were inpatients for another reason who caught it in hospital. They wouldn't have been admitted if it was just covid as their symptoms were so mild. Just anecdata, but tbh, it's more scientific than speculation as to what people are thinking on their death beds and overly emotive language and gory details about the hypothetical deaths of someone's granny . All very weird. Some posters on here remind me of the weird kids at school who told very sinister jokes about murder and violence. Are you all ok?

Tens of thousands also die from measles, again, preventable. Africa only recently eradicated polio, it had been killing and maiming away.

Let’s face it, the West didn’t really care. Then Covid hit and suddenly we need to be doing everything possible to save every single life.

@PerveenMistry so we only care about deaths caused by the pandemic? Not the other avoidable ones

The selfish will continue to demand that the elderly are put at risk for their personal benefit/convenience, and that we can all die from literally anything so why bother protecting them.

It is such a lame excuse - designed to serve your own needs whatever the cost, even the death of a cherished loved one. The selfish refuse to have their lives 'put on hold' or curtailed in anyway because they don't think it is going to happen to them. The epitome of pure arrogance.

It is an old script on here since the pandemic began, people completely incapable of putting the lives of others first and foremost. Incapable of caring enough to say we will see you for a walk, but we love you and need to keep you safe, that way we will have you for many more decades to come. Nope.

They will scream and shout that covid is all just drama and the risk is zilch, even as we watch the infection rate creep up and up, and every country around us is now battling a second wave. The selfish will still only serve themselves with their lame narrative - it is not even worth trying to reason with these people! Pointless. You can't force people to care.
They will just have to find out the hard way, an sadly those closest to them will probably pay the ultimate price.

I wonder how that will feel when it really comes to it.

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@PerveenMistry maybe that last pub night or shopping trip was necessary have you heard of mental health and how many lifes that takes
Do you eat ? I mean you expect that shop worker to still go in to work and delivery drivers and so on
The dr's and nurses etc ppe is not a 100 percent protection[/quote]
The fewer of the rest of us going out, the safer the shoppers and other essential workers will be.

Look at S Korea. Fewer than 400 deaths, last I looked. Because their citizens cooperated and were guided by science, not selfish emotions.

@MadameBlobby

Surely we need to do EVERYTHING possible to save every single life

Unrealistic and stupid.

This. And if that were the case there'd be a huge range of services available to the mentally ill, the chronically ill, the disabled and their carers/families (there's a heartbreaking thread in Active now from the mother of a child with severe autism), people with dementia/cancer/etc.

Surely we need to do EVERYTHING possible to save every single life.

There hits a point where, for some people, quality of life becomes more important than longevity. That’s where my MIL is at in terms of being around her GC.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd they do sedate you when you are put on a vent. But (w COVID at least) they try and minimise the amount if sedation so people may be semi-conscious at times. Lots of reports from recovered patients of hallucinations and nightmares, it's not nice and peaceful at all. Plus all the struggling to breath and improvements/deterioration cycles pre vent, no wonder so many survivors have PTSD. Again, I dont know how this compares to other conditions that put you in ICU but COVID is no easy end, esp in crowded wards where you sit on oxygen watching people deteriorate/die to the left and right of you.

Malaria is also preventable and curable, and despite both these factors, that number of people, largely children, die of it every year. Once we’ve forgotten about Covid here, these deaths will still be happening. But hey, as long as older people from rich countries don’t die, that’s all that matters eh.

so we only care about deaths caused by the pandemic? Not the other avoidable ones

That’s the message, loud and clear.

The fewer of the rest of us going out, the safer the shoppers and other essential workers will be.

But you need economic activity also to fund your essential services including your nhs. You think those ICU consultants will work for free, do you?