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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
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Heffalooomia · 20/09/2020 17:39

Tom Joseph
'He's like Ted Bundy without the intelligence'
'he gets off on the killing it makes him feel powerful'
www.patreon.com/posts/end-of-trump-is-41759097
[08:30 approx]

AcrossthePond55 · 20/09/2020 19:02

I'm trying to hold out hope that the Dems can stall the confirmation somehow. Either tie it up in court through filibuster or some other as yet unknown method. It won't be enough to stall until the election. They'll need to stall through the lame duck period, too. They'd have to tie it up for 123 days (that's the day after the inauguration). I just don't know if that's possible.

The procedures are clear: POTUS nominates, the Judiciary Cmte has hearings and then 'approves' and hands the nomination over to the Senate for a confirmation vote. As the Senate Majority Leader, Yertle the Turtle McConnell is the one who controls the process. If he doesn't want to proceed (as with Garland) he pressures the Judiciary Cmte to stall the process or refuses to bring an approved nom before the full Senate for a vote.

There is no law regarding the length of time between a vacancy and an election. Precedent or tradition, yes, but not a law. And so here we are with McConnell and Graham as massive hypocrites with absolutely no sense of shame at their two faced double-dealing.

And as far as trusting Murkowski and Collins to stick to their guns, don't make me laugh. Mitt Romney, yes, I feel he would stand by a moral conviction. But those two? I'd have more faith in a chocolate teapot.

Here's the breakdown:
Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat + Independents (45+2 seats = 47)

You need a simple majority. If only 3 (Collins, Murkowski, Romney) vote nay, it'll be a 50/50 tie & Pence is brought in as the tiebreaker. So you need at least 4 GOP Senators to 'jump ship' in order to defeat the nomination 51/49.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/09/2020 19:11

If those 3 repugs keep their nerve and aren't bought off and if Mark Kelly wins Arizona (currently quite likely) and is seated pre Nov 3rd. could that tip the scale to Dems favour or will Ponce Pence still have the deciding vote?
(If is a very big word as my mum would often remind me)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/09/2020 19:15

Kelly could be seated by Nov 30th not Nov 3rd. So may be too late.

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Roussette · 20/09/2020 19:23

Dems have weapons in their arsenal

www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-won-t-rule-out-new-impeachment-delay-scotus-vote-n1240568

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/09/2020 19:53

I'm afraid that by nominating a woman for SCOTUS, Trump will stop proceedings against her being appointed from having as much traction as the ones against Kavanaugh had; she is unlikely to be accused of historic rape, for instance, whoever she is.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/09/2020 20:20

@TheNorthWestPawsage

If those 3 repugs keep their nerve and aren't bought off and if Mark Kelly wins Arizona (currently quite likely) and is seated pre Nov 3rd. could that tip the scale to Dems favour or will Ponce Pence still have the deciding vote? (If is a very big word as my mum would often remind me)
Pence only gets a vote in case of a tie.

It's expected that if Kelly wins in AZ, the GOP is going to throw a bunch of lawsuits contesting the results to delay him taking his seat for as long as possible. I have a feeling the US is in for an extremely litigious November. And December. And possibly January.

lionheart · 20/09/2020 22:19

Oh (not for the first time) dear:

www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/20/trump-threatens-to-issue-executive-order-preventing-biden-from-being-elected-president/#991957676f6e

'In a wide-ranging speech at a campaign rally Saturday night, President Donald Trump ramped up attacks against his opponent, Joe Biden, calling Biden the "dumbest of all candidates," and went so far as to declare, "maybe I'll sign an executive order that you cannot have him as your president."'

PhilSwagielka · 21/09/2020 00:24

Jesus Christ, that’s disturbing.

BruceAndNosh · 21/09/2020 08:05

donations to Democrat campaign surged after RBG death and we know how much money it costs to run for president
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ruth-bader-ginsburg-democratic-donations_n_5f662859c5b6b9795b115e19?ri18n=true

Could the passing of one woman damage Trump more than the death of 200 000 from Covid-19?

OVienna · 21/09/2020 08:22

Where's all the Bloomberg money, then? That he promised would remain available throughout the campaign, regardless of whether he got the nomination or not? 🤔 I've heard nothing of him for ages.

Although I can imagine protests outside his campaign sites by Bernie Sanders supporters didnt do much to endear. I have a friend who lives in Florida: they targeted Bloomberg even though Mar-A-Lago was right down the road.

Could be it's there but just not in the papers.

OVienna · 21/09/2020 08:42

Conservatives, Barrett Has ‘Perfect Combination’ of Attributes for Supreme Court nyti.ms/3hKD6bX

This is who he's lined up. It is a more interesting choice than I expected it to be.

The problem here is that the US has spent decades and decades obsessed by abortion and by bringing religion into the public sphere. Even judges on the left are obliged to address their faith. This is not going away. It's a tedious feature of US public life.

However, this woman appears at least to live by her principles unlike the hypocrites in Trump's administration/his enablers.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/09/2020 09:18

@TheNorthWestPawsage

A lot of spondoolicks.

Mike Bloomberg to spend at least $100 million in Florida to benefit Joe Biden
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bloomberg-money-florida-biden/2020/09/12/af51bb50-f511-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html

Former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg plans to spend at least $100 million in Florida to help elect Democrat Joe Biden, a massive late-stage infusion of cash that could reshape the presidential contest in a costly toss-up state central to President Trump’s reelection hopes.
Bloomberg made the decision to focus his final election spending on Florida last week, after news reports that Trump had considered spending as much as $100 million of his own money in the final weeks of the campaign, Bloomberg’s advisers said. Presented with several options on how to make good on an earlier promise to help elect Biden, Bloomberg decided that a narrow focus on Florida was the best use of his money.
The president’s campaign has long treated the state, which Trump now calls home, as a top priority, and his advisers remain confident in his chances given strong turnout in 2016 and 2018 that gave Republicans narrow winning margins in statewide contests.
“Voting starts on Sept. 24 in Florida so the need to inject real capital in that state quickly is an urgent need,” said Bloomberg adviser Kevin Sheekey. “Mike believes that by investing in Florida it will allow campaign resources and other Democratic resources to be used in other states, in particular the state of Pennsylvania.”
The last Republican to win the White House without Florida was Calvin Coolidge in 1924, and a loss of the state’s 29 electoral votes would radically shrink Trump’s paths to reelection. With Florida in his column, Biden would be able to take the presidency by holding every state that Hillary Clinton won in 2016 and winning any one of the following states: Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and North Carolina, all of which Biden leads in current public polling averages. ...

...The spending will focus mostly on television and digital ads, in both English and Spanish. 
Bloomberg’s aim is to prompt enough early voting that a pro-Biden result would be evident soon after the polls close. Florida, unlike other swing states, reports almost all early ballots shortly after voting ends. 
Democrats and Republicans have worried that early results will dictate public perceptions of who will ultimately win the election. In many states, the first reported votes are more Republican, but the numbers turn more Democratic over time as more mail-in and early votes are added to the tally.

“It would give lie to what we expect to be Trump’s election night messaging that Democrats are stealing the election, because unlike other battleground states, Florida counts its absentee ballots on or by Election Day,” Bloomberg adviser Howard Wolfson said. “We think Florida is incredibly close but winnable.”
A recent report by Hawkfish, a voter data firm funded by Bloomberg, predicted that even in a scenario where Biden wins 54 percent of the final vote, partisan differences in mail voting preference could lead to an initial count that shows Trump winning with 55 percent of ballots tabulated nationally on Nov. 3. In public polling, Republican voters have reported far less interest in voting by mail or voting early than Democrats.
A prominent Democratic consultant in Florida, not aware of the Bloomberg decision, said Saturday that Democratic outside groups have mostly focused on Midwestern states because of the prohibitive cost of advertising in Florida. This person, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss strategy, estimated that it would take $15 million to $20 million to significantly move Biden’s numbers among Latinos, and $60 million to $70 million to get on television across the state over the next 51 days and have a real impact. ...

... But just what Bloomberg, who is estimated to be worth more than $50 billion, planned to do with his money has remained a significant source of suspense among Democratic strategists. After flooding local and state Democratic Party accounts with money during his campaign, Bloomberg transferred about $20 million in cash and prepaid office leases to the Democratic National Committee, taking advantage of a provision of campaign finance law that allows candidates to donate leftover money. He also spread his money to benefit state and local Democratic candidates.


A group he helps to fund, Everytown for Gun Safety, has pledged to spend $60 million on elections this cycle, and he has committed another $60 million to help preserve or strengthen the Democratic House majority. Swing Left, a group focused on winning state legislative seats, and Fair Fight, a voter protection effort led by former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, have also received millions. Bloomberg has not yet announced any spending to help elect a Democratic Senate, after allotting $20 million to the effort in 2018.
The former New York mayor, a onetime Republican and independent who changed his voter registration to Democratic in 2018, has also given an additional $35 million to Hawkfish, which is working to improve voter targeting with independent groups on the Democratic side. The group combines voter file data with expensive consumer data, in an effort to better assist Democrats in targeting and turning out voters.
Through Hawkfish, advisers said, Bloomberg has also quietly funded other distinct programs with multimillion-dollar budgets, including an effort with Unite the Country, a pro-Biden super PAC, to launch a digital campaign targeting 400,000 veterans in battleground states like Pennsylvania and Florida.
A separate Hawkfish program, with a nonprofit called the Collective Education Fund, is targeting digital ads to communities of color in an effort focused on major cities in key states, including Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Detroit.
“The bottom line is when you have additional resources, you can solidify your voters and then communicate with those who are still on the fence for some reason,” Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) said. “One hundred million can do just that.”

OVienna Bloomberg has stepped forward.
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lionheart · 21/09/2020 09:20

Yes, he has been providing funds but with less fanfare.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/09/2020 09:21

AOC has also said to Latino supporters "Vote for Biden even if you don't like him." "We need to have skin in the game"

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lionheart · 21/09/2020 09:22

Let's hope the $$$ also deserts Trump (since the big winners of the last four years appear to be the wealthiest).

www.rawstory.com/2020/09/gop-insider-explains-why-trumps-inner-circle-is-finally-turning-on-him/

OVienna · 21/09/2020 09:39

@Northwest great to hear. Thank God for that. Not sure how I've missed that.

lionheart · 21/09/2020 10:14

Sanders has done the same. Vote Biden because to do otherwise is irresponsible.

PerkingFaintly · 21/09/2020 10:16

If I've understood that right, Collins and Murkowski have only promised they won't vote for a supreme court nomination before the election – but said nothing about the lame duck period. Therefore their promise is meaningless even if they keep it.

They're doing their usual having-cake-and-eating-it thing.

They intend to vote for the new supreme during the lame duck period. But they hope to string their constituents along long enough to get re-elected.

Euugh! Vile people.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/09/2020 11:32

Perking, that's exactly my thought, particularly about Collins; she is the dregs of humanity as far as I am concerned, right down there with Trump, Pence and McConnell but with added slime and smarm.

One is a bit spoiled for choice about who is nastiest among Trump's hangers-on and toadies, but I think she has it.

OVienna · 21/09/2020 12:04

@lionheart

Sanders has done the same. Vote Biden because to do otherwise is irresponsible.
Yeah, AOC and Bernie need to do a hell of a lot better than witter on with the 'best worst option' narrative. A lot better than that. It's bloody boring and at this stage in the game, actively disgraceful. This is the time to be flying the flag, so to speak, with enthusiasm.
lionheart · 21/09/2020 12:44

A bit late in the day but still.

Here is a more hopeful reading of Biden and the SCOTUS issue:

thebulwark.com/how-biden-will-handle-the-supreme-court-vacancy/

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