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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 02/09/2020 14:25

Trump used manipulation and race-baiting four years ago. He’s at it again. We are weary and worried but we shall persist.

Cartoon by Chris Riddell.

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The Disunited States of Trump (Trump Thread #104)
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TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/09/2020 14:16

So opinion now seems to be this. (Biden just has to win first though...)

If McConnell pushes through a nominee, President Biden should pack the court.
Republicans have put party over principle. Biden can do something about it.
www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/19/mcconnell-biden-pack-court/

... Democrats have only one play here: If Trump and McConnell jam an appointee through, it is not enough for Democrats to raise hell about the hypocrisy, the duplicity and the Republican refusal to play by McConnell’s own rules. It is not enough to target every Republican senator who goes along. It is not enough to have voters bombard their Republican senator’s office with phone calls and protests. Because those things have been happening for four years, and none of them have persuaded the GOP to put the stability of the country or the obligations of office ahead of that party’s thirst for power.

So Democrats should threaten to pack the court. And, if McConnell pushes through a new justice and then Joe Biden wins, they should follow through.

...Democrats need to realize that they’re up against a mendacious bully who is never going to follow even the rules he sets out. “Court-packing” is a loaded term, and if they’re smart, Democrats will find a more palatable one. But it’s a defensible and evenhanded move to assert that, if McConnell steals another Supreme Court seat (just weeks before a national election), then Democrats will consider a presidential victory a mandate from voters to expand the number of seats on the Supreme Court.
This is not unprecedented. The number of justices has not been static at nine; it’s changed six times, from as few as six to as many as ten. All it takes is for Congress to pass an act, and for the president to sign it. If a Biden victory comes with a Democratic congressional majority, expanding the number of Supreme Court justices isn’t all that hard to do.


Adding justices is not an action Democrats should take lightly. It runs a high risk of alienating some voters who would see such a move, constitutionally mandated though it may be, as taking advantage. And the escalation would certainly ratchet up the already boiling conflicts between Democrats and Republicans in Congress. But McConnell forces the left’s hand. Thanks to him and his ally in the White House, the United States looks less like a functional democracy by the day. This latest maneuver is more than political gamesmanship; it’s a massive blow to the stability of the republic.
With an election looming, Democrats can give voters a say. If they vow to expand the court, then Americans can cast their ballots with that in mind. Key to the message should be that McConnell and Senate Republicans have so repeatedly broken the rules, rigged the game and stolen victories that it’s become impossible to play on neutral turf. As Murkowski put it, fair is fair.
It’s a shame we’re here. But to restore a democracy that has been battered, bruised and robbed blind by the president and his party, Democrats will need to fight harder. If Republicans steal this seat, the only reasonable response is to change the number of judges on the bench.

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Roussette · 19/09/2020 14:45

But it took months for Kavanaugh to get through... how can this be done in 42 days?
The Hearings seemed to go on forever

Roussette · 19/09/2020 14:49

Ignore my q.
I've just read the Vox article, that talks of the lame duck period... it can all go on up till January...

Roussette · 19/09/2020 15:18

Such a moving statement from Bill Clinton. It brought a tear to my eye.

twitter.com/mocchialini89/status/1307322065951895552

Roussette · 19/09/2020 16:45

lion that is an article and a half.

CaveMum · 19/09/2020 16:54

Thanks all, Er yes Cave “Baby” is now 3.5 and we are indeed getting ready for next years school applications 😱

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/09/2020 17:17

I was listening to "Witness History" on The World Service the other day, and the subject of it was Franklin McCain, one of the four who started the Greensboro sit-in at the Woolworths lunch counter in 1960. He had been interviewed about it in 2011.

One thing he said has stayed with me. A policeman approached him and "got out his night-stick. I thought, 'this is it, I'm dead'."

A night-stick.

Now, I suspect, he'd really have been dead; either shot or "restrained" until he stopped breathing. But when did shooting become the first response of the police instead of a last resort? When did they start to use guns as a matter of routine rather than in special cases only?

AcrossthePond55 · 19/09/2020 17:19

I love Mother Jones' news coverage. They don't shilly shally or 'play nice'.

For those of you who don't know who Mother Jones was;

aflcio.org/about/history/labor-history-people/mother-jones

We definitely need to embrace her fighting spirit, especially now.

lionheart · 19/09/2020 17:35

I was thinking CaveToddler but 3 and a half is a brave new world. Smile

lionheart · 19/09/2020 17:37

MJ is right.

lionheart · 19/09/2020 18:42

David Gura (NBC)
@davidgura
· 3h
"He got hit on the knee with a canister of tear gas," President Trump says, of @AliVelshi, who was actually hit by a rubber bullet. "Wasn't it really a beautiful sight? It's called law and order."

AcrossthePond55 · 19/09/2020 21:23

www.cnn.com/2020/09/19/politics/package-poison-ricin-addressed-to-trump-intercepted/index.html

1st reaction: Dammit!!!
2nd reaction: Shame on me!
3rd reaction: Ignores 2nd reaction

AcrossthePond55 · 19/09/2020 21:24

PS...DH says he thinks he sent it to himself to garner sympathy and add to the anti-left, anti-protest messaging. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

lionheart · 19/09/2020 22:28

I can see where both you and your DH are coming from Across.

No surprises here:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lindsey-graham-ginsburg-supreme-court_n_5f6635b2c5b6de79b675bba8?ri18n=true

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/09/2020 22:55

Should have used Amazon.

From Mother Jones. (And he's wearing glasses!)

Donald Trump Wanted to Keep This Video Deposition Secret. We Got a Copy.

He and his lawyer hoped to prevent this footage from the Trump University fraud case from “getting into the hands of the media.”
www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/09/donald-trump-university-fraud-lawsuit-deposition-full-video/

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lionheart · 20/09/2020 02:08

He's deteriorated a lot since then.

Roussette · 20/09/2020 08:01

Gosh. He's slippery, arrogant, impatient and irritable in that video. He hates to be questioned at all doesn't he...

And then be becomes POTUS and no one questions him. Ironic.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/09/2020 10:59

Has he had laser treatment, moved over to contact lenses or simply decided not to bother to read anything, since 2016?

Roussette · 20/09/2020 11:48

I read somewhere the autocue is enormous for him... Sorta explains why every speech is disjointed and he goes off piste

Heffalooomia · 20/09/2020 12:19

@Roussette

Gosh. He's slippery, arrogant, impatient and irritable in that video. He hates to be questioned at all doesn't he...

And then be becomes POTUS and no one questions him. Ironic.

Absolute power is accountable to no one and that's what he wants. Luckily he's too dumb to be an evil genius.
TheSparklyPussycat · 20/09/2020 15:26

You can see that any printouts he has are in very large font.