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To not want to promise BiL inheritance cut

139 replies

NamingShaming · 01/09/2020 21:56

This has the potential to be a long one.

I live in London, work four days a week and live with my DH who works full time and our two kids (5,3). I’m retraining (over weekends) and want to quit my job or reduce days. My DH HATES his (on paper v good) job. We think we need a change - even before lockdown we’ve been struggling to enjoy life and I’m the quintessential sitcom mum who arrives sweaty and five mins late to pick up from after school club (pre lockdown days). (My DH does morning drop offs)

Anyway, we are thinking of leaving London to downsize our mortgage because we both want to work less and achieve more balance.

My in-laws who live in what is considered a ‘very nice’ (and this pricey) city want to downsize. I have no passion for this area but I appreciate my DH wants to be nearer his folks and then they can see grandkids who they are great with. (They can’t visit us due to health). They have offered to sell us their house in a private sale for c. £50kless than what is was valued for earlier this year. They think anecdotally it may have gone up in price which in theory would be a shaving off of £100k but then again it’s an anecdotal going up in price.

I asked BiL if he would have any objections to us purchasing house and he said no. I asked if he’d also want to live in same city to be near his folks and he said no but it would be handy having us all in one place for visits. The family gets on v well.

Hes now thought about it and wants to put in contract that when in-laws pass away he gets whatever saving (say it’s £50k) we made on house ring fenced.

AIBU to refuse? I don’t want to tear apart family over £50k but at the same time there is no fixed price of a house and you never actually know how much it would sell for. Other issue is the house is more than we want to pay really and won’t reduce mortgage by THAT much as houses in my area are not going for much at the moment.

DH has suggested we pay for a surveyor and out the in-laws suggested mates rates epics against that and then if it is a saving agree on contract that BiL gets that saving further down the line.
For full disclosure although I do want a change in my life to get more balance I would v likely give up my job int his scenario because - unless lockdown changes wfh rules at my company - I have to be based in London. So for me there is a lot of theoretical money wrapped up in this emotional move.

OP posts:
TattyMcBab · 02/09/2020 09:09

Something similar happened in my extended family. The parent “left it to the children” to sort it out.

One never spoke to their siblings again.
Another sibling resents the fact that the house-gaining sibling “never had to do any work” for the house.
The house-gaining sibling hates being accused for being the winner in the relationship as it came with a lot of ties and caring responsibility.

Florencex · 02/09/2020 09:13

Don’t get involved. That you think it is your place to “turn it down” or otherwise beggars belief.

That aside, your BIL does have a point that your DH is effectively receiving a lifetime gift whilst he is not, how much it depreciates or appreciates since is not the point, if you paid the proper market price that money could have been sitting in cash forming part of the estate. So he is being quite reasonable and if the in-laws want to reflect a better sense of fairness in their wills then they should leave him this extra amount. And they do not need anybody’s permission to do this, least of all yours.

Enchantmentz · 02/09/2020 09:23

Sounds like family divides in the making. You dbil has no claim to dpil house and the discount is between you and pil. Any fairness that needs to be made should be between bil and pil, the fact is life isn't fair.

Similar happened this year inherited house of my dgm between my mum and her 3 older siblings. Eldest sister took on a loan and bought the other 3 out and is updating the house to modern standards. My mum quipped that eldest sister will make a profit in a manner that dmum will miss out. I set her straight nicely that the house is now eldest sisters and what she does or gains from it is her business now.

Heartlake · 02/09/2020 09:30

This happened with my ILs. SIL bought FIL's house - she couldn't afford it (we could have - weren't offered though) and there are probably caring strings attached. House is in an area that has gone up in value MASSIVELY.

As the SIL, I was upset. For my DH, for our family.

But I let it go.

Buy another house.

LonelyFromCorona · 02/09/2020 09:31

BIL was never even guaranteed that money if in laws end up care homes and have to sell house or charge made against the house to pay for their care...

I'd say no.

RB68 · 02/09/2020 09:33

I just wouldn't get involved if there is no agreement. The reality is being close with no formal job you will end up being IL carer and it is a thankless task and if BIL is already wanting his pound of flesh, then you have to let it go. If IL want to downsize and give some cash to their kids for whatever then also remember Inheritance tax if they pass away within 7 yrs.

I honestly would keep it more clean cut and let them put it on the market and see what offers you get. You could always match an offer but even that is dodgy ground

Biker47 · 02/09/2020 09:36

@LonelyFromCorona

BIL was never even guaranteed that money if in laws end up care homes and have to sell house or charge made against the house to pay for their care...

I'd say no.

He's guaranteed even less if his parents favour his sibling and sell him their house at a discounted rate, and don't even it out.
frazzledasarock · 02/09/2020 11:11

The house is being discounted at £25k really as that would be the share of each brother.

It's far bigger than you want and not your ideal house or location.

you're going to be near your ageing in laws and your BIL is further afield, so you will end up being their carer by default.

And after all this you will owe your BIL £25k.

I wouldn't do it, add in the potential for a family fall out. It is completely not worth it.

Jagoda · 02/09/2020 11:14

Moving to be near the coast/better quality of life = Great idea.

Buying PILS house = Shit idea.

DidoAtTheLido · 02/09/2020 12:05

Moving to be near the coast/better quality of life = Great idea.

IF there is a realistic plan and budget in place and work and employment, and good schools and opportunities for the kids.

OP - you seem to be at the stage of wanting / needing a change, but thrashing around for an escape, any escape. Work on the RIGHT escape. In fact think of it as 'change' rather than 'escape'. And plan forwards, rather than just grabbing an option (PILs house) because it is there.

HerNameWasEliza · 02/09/2020 18:27

Similar happened this year inherited house of my dgm between my mum and her 3 older siblings. Eldest sister took on a loan and bought the other 3 out and is updating the house to modern standards. My mum quipped that eldest sister will make a profit in a manner that dmum will miss out. I set her straight nicely that the house is now eldest sisters and what she does or gains from it is her business now.

How is this similar? A better comparison would be if dgm just a larger share to eldest sister. Here the eldest bought the others out and is now doing up the house. Your mum could have done the same and indeed can user her share to buy a house and do it up and make her own profit. This is completely different.

HerNameWasEliza · 02/09/2020 18:31

think BIL is a bit of a CF though. If the "discount" you'd get is only £50k, his "share" would be £25k, not £50k. And it's between him and his parents. If they want to top-slice their estate so he gets £25k before the rest is divvied up, they can do that.

This is not correct. They are effectively selling the house for 50K less than it's worth meaning that are giving DH 50K. BIL should then also get 50K if they want to keep things even. I don't think BIL is saying you should give him 50K when PIL die. He is saying he should get 50K of the estate and then remainder is split so it's not really 'owing him' anything, it's more of an evening up of the inheritance at a later date.

ButteryPuffin · 02/09/2020 18:45

Probably been suggested already now but the ILs should sell their house, downsize as they wish to and give the same lump sum each from the proceeds of the house sale to your DH and BIL. You put it towards the house you really want. BIL does what he wants with his share. There's a very good chance this will remove it from any consideration re care costs since you'll have acted early and with luck it will be many years yet before that becomes an issue.

Bamski · 02/09/2020 20:12

Parking the ‘emotional’ advice/ opinions that people have given on this thread for a minute, can posters please stop giving out entirely incorrect financial advice?!!

OP, there is not a single piece of correct information relating to IHT or care fees on the entire thread. It’s like bloody storytime. You’ve not nearly given (and this isn’t a dig, why would you know what they have in detail) enough information on the in laws estate to say if there would even be an IHT issue, people randomly saying “what about seven year rule and care fees” with implied knowledge on the subject is like me implying I can speak Spanish fluently because I can say “hola”. Please can you all stop it?!

OP buy it or don’t but get professional advice along with your in laws on all angles.

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