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to not want DD(14) to have this T-Shirt

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SqueamishMum · 01/09/2020 11:56

Need a sanity check here (have name-changed so this isn't linked to other threads as I may be identifiable here)

A couple of weeks ago, DD(14) and I went to a thrift shop. I had given her some money to spend. She came up to me holding a T-Shirt balled up in her hands so I couldn't see the design, saying she was going to buy it.

Once she had bought it, she said to me "mum, you're not going to like this" and showed me the design on the T-Shirt. Basically it is a cartoon of someone getting their arm shredded in a blender with their eyes popping out. It is quite stylised and cartoony, but it is, in my opinion, gory (lots of cartoon blood).

I was unimpressed and said to her that I wasn't happy with her having it. She then said to me "oh well, too late to return it now" and swanned out of the shop.

I was pretty angry at her attitude and called her back. I went up to the counter with her and said she was to return it. The young woman behind the counter looked at the T-Shirt and said "really? I like it". I repeated that it was to be returned. She turned to my daughter and said "do you want to return it?". I said to her again that it was to be returned. My daughter was saying "it's my money!", but then relented and said she would return it.

The manager had to be called. The T-shirt was returned. My daughter went back into the shop to find something else to buy. I was feeling really angry, with my daughter for trying to get one over on me, but more with the attitude of the shop assistant undermining me, so I waited outside the shop.

My daughter came out with a couple of non-gory T-shirts and we left.

It has since transpired that the shop assistant, feeling sorry for my daughter, gave her the gory t-shirt free of charge.

My daughter confessed this to me, then said she had worn it out, and her dad really likes it, his girlfriend really likes it, her friend and her friend's mother really likes it. It's only me that doesn't like it. (Her dad btw utterly despises me and will take any opportunity to undermine me with her).

I personally feel it's really antisocial to wear a t-shirt like that out at the park (as DD has been doing) where there are small kids. It's a nasty image and it makes me feel squeamish every time I see it.

I've told DD that I don't want her wearing it around me. She said OK . This weekend she came back from her dad's wearing it. I told her to change and she said "it's fine, I'm only going to be wearing it upstairs where you can't see".

I'm not generally draconian about my daughter's style choices - I just find the image on this T-shirt inappropriate. However, it seems the shop assistant and other adults she's talked to about it since think I'm over the top.

I'm willing to accept that maybe I am being - but feel DD's testing boundaries on quite a few things atm. I'm generally a bit of a pushover and was trying to be less so this time.

Would be really interested to know what others think

Thanks

OP posts:
notacooldad · 02/09/2020 23:07

I'd be saying if you see it again you'll be putting in the bin because you told her you didn't like it and it's disrespectful and not regarding your feelings!
Another controlling one!!
What about her feelings? Or are you the only person that matters

Crazy!!

ilovepixie · 02/09/2020 23:15

@GellerYeller

There's a major high street chain selling a t shirt bearing the legend: 'Who the F* is Liam Gallagher' currently. Sorry if it's been mentioned earlier!
Ooh I want that t shirt
honeybee88 · 02/09/2020 23:16

So all us mothers are controlling!? So be it. My house, my rules, my children will not wear offensive clothing whilst in this house. Or are we just suppose to stand by and let them go off the rails? It may be a t - shirt but whats next?

SoupDragon · 02/09/2020 23:17

It may be a t - shirt but whats next?

Trousers?

SurroundedByIdiotsEverywhere · 02/09/2020 23:19

Pick your battles... This is her just pushing boundaries even though it is just a cartoon image.

Trust me it could be a lot worse behaviour wise and I think teenage girls can be monsters! Remember, the bigger the fuss the more she will push back.

Lots of children also love to watch horror films if they are younger than the certificate age, just like box or ps4 games. If it scares them stupid, nightmares etc then they have learnt it the tough way.

Just chalk this up as a learning moment... and smile through it! Smile

helpIhateclothesshopping · 02/09/2020 23:21

I think I'd pretend I liked it after all and wear it to put her off thinking it was remotely cool

patq1967 · 02/09/2020 23:24

it`s a cartoon , You should apologise to your daughter for your behaviour in the shop , if she is not able to choose for her self why give her money then drag her back in and humiliate her in front of other people , good to see you even manage to insult your ex, her father in the post as well for good measure

indemMUND · 02/09/2020 23:40

I wear worse band tshirts while doing the school run. No ones batted an eyelid. Small scale rebellion. Pick your battles with a teenager.

SqueamishMum · 02/09/2020 23:41

I HAVE apologised to my daughter. It's in the thread (though I know the thread is long Smile).

OP posts:
THEDEACON · 02/09/2020 23:51

I would cut it up and in it for the defiance

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 03/09/2020 03:17

You would damage property that isn't yours because you didn't get your own way? Nice.

The op has already dealt with this, in a way that proves she is a great parent, which didn't include damaging her daughters clothes.

MarissaMaypole · 03/09/2020 03:25

Put it on a 90 wash and shrink it. Job done.

MarissaMaypole · 03/09/2020 03:29

DifficultPif - take some gramar lessons. You need to concentrate particularly on apostrophes. And wind that giraffe neck in.

MarissaMaypole · 03/09/2020 03:30

Oh dear ... "grammar". Must be contagious!

ForrestTrump · 03/09/2020 03:36

The manager had to be called. The T-shirt was returned.

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ulanbatorismynextstop · 03/09/2020 03:54

I really wouldn't want my daughter wearing an image like that. Like you say small kids could see it, it could give them nightmares. The parents couldn't sensor their environment without being rude to your daughter.

YANBU

SnozPoz · 03/09/2020 06:45

Gosh it's a shame it went in the wash with that red jumper. Honestly though you need to let it drop. You've let her know you hate it, and how she's behaved. But It's a t-shirt she'll get bored of, or lose, or grow out of soon enough.

lockeddownandcrazy · 03/09/2020 06:50

The t shirt would no bother me. the assistant giving it to her when i said she couldnt have it would.

TwilightPeace · 03/09/2020 06:51

I really wouldn't want my daughter wearing an image like that. Like you say small kids could see it, it could give them nightmares.

😂 it won’t give children nightmares FFS, nightmares from a cartoon t-shirt 😂
How do some people FUNCTION in the world?!

Still more vile people suggesting destroying it.....controlling and nasty!

ferntwist · 03/09/2020 07:19

YANBU. Totally agree with you that it’s anti-social to wear a T shirt like that. I’m shocked at the behaviour of the shop assistant and the votes on here too.
Our society is too violent.

ferntwist · 03/09/2020 07:26

Reading all your posts I’m amazed at how you’ve been beating yourself up OP. This wasn’t a row over fashion sense, it was over a nasty violent image. Why should passers-by including little kids have to see that?
We don’t have the right to wear whatever we like in life.
It sounds like your husband tried to turn you into a doormat. Don’t let your daughter do the same. If not for yourself, for her.

ferntwist · 03/09/2020 07:32

Apologised to your daughter after she stomped out of a shop and lied to you? Grow a backbone.

OleWomanInAShoe · 03/09/2020 07:44

Speaking as a previous actual wild child. Is this really the sort of thing you want to be causing trust issues between you and your teenage daughter?
It doesn't even sound that bad.
Maybe you could take a massive step back and lighten up a bit?

TwinklyMusic · 03/09/2020 07:45

This thread illustrates why I’ve been increasingly less interested in engaging with Mumsnet over the years. Gone is the cameraderie, support and humour that, many years ago now, used be offered as advice, to be replaced instead with a petty, self-righteous and judgemental pile-on. What, are you all such wonderful, perfect parents that you feel morally superior enough to come down so hard on the OP, even when she has made it clear the responses have seriously upset her? Hmm

To be honest, many posters sound as morally developed as Year 8 kids... so much so that at one point I wondered whether OP’s daughter had her school friends respond to make her mother feel (unnecessarily) guilty.

SqueamishMum, I feel I’m reading a different opening post to the one everyone else read. To me, the t-shirt and what it looks like is a bit of a red-herring that everyone has become ridiculously fixated on. I read that you gave your daughter money to buy some clothes and she responded by disrespecting you. You did not ask her to return the t-shirt because you didn’t like it, the post shows that you were responding to her behaviour.

And indeed, her behaviour was rude and contemptuous. I feel your first instinct - to ‘just parent’ - was right. There are lots of ways you might have gone about this - reminding her that you are far less likely to take her shopping or hand her over your hard earned cash in future, if this is the way she responds, is one option. You might have chosen to confiscate all her purchases until she apologised for her behaviour. You might have sat her down and had a very serious discussion about reciprocal respect and your expectations of her behaviour when you trust her to have the maturity to spend money you hand to her. Making her return the t-shirt is another option - maybe the lesson here is that this particular parenting option made it all about the t-shirt and not the real issue - her behaviour towards you.

You have disclosed some information about your difficult relationship with your ex. I am really sorry to hear this. Flowers It sounds to me like you have a history of being belittled and undermined. I hope you know that you don’t deserve to be belittled in this way, not by your ex, not by your daughter, and not by posters on an Internet forum. You sound like a great mum and an individual who is far more open to challenge and self-learning that the majority of the population.

I would be concerned that the damage done to you by your ex is now making you second guess your parenting decisions. Furthermore, there is more than a hint that his attitude towards you is allowing your daughter to feel she can also disrespect you. That’s not right. For her sake and yours, she needs to understand that it is not ok whenever he badmouths you to her. With patience, you can get this message across to her without it sounding like a personal attack on her dad. It’s not ok for her father to speak to or about her mother like that, in the same way it is not ok for her future partners to speak to her or about her like that.

You are right to draw the line at the disrespectful and demeaning behaviour your daughter showed you. Posters have focussed on your response in the shop, saying that it was humiliating to her. I see very little evidence that she was in any way humiliated - she cheerfully went back shopping and indeed smugly left the shop with her t-shirt safely in her bag. There is absolutely no sign whatsoever of teenage angst or trauma. She went about her merry way, doing exactly as she pleased.

Indeed, thanks to the pile on (and I’d love to see how wonderful their children really are!!), you even apologised to her. Has she shown any awareness of - not to mind remorse for - the way that she behaved towards you?

Your daughter has her ugly t-shirt now. She can wear it to make a statement about who she is, however crass or cringeworthy you might find that. That’s not what’s going to damage her, but not learning to be considerate very likely will.

You can still set ground rules to help her understand that you are worthy of and expect her respect. For example, you might decide to say you will confiscate the t-shirt if she wears it to the playground in case it upsets little kids (she needs to learn to consider how her decisions will impact others). Or that if she is contemptuous of you in public like that again, there will be a specific consequence.

She will also learn when you reward good behaviour - sometimes for a 14 year old, just telling them “I was really proud when you...” is enough of a reward.

Good parenting is not easy and putting your teenager on a pedestal and giving them a carte blanche for all behaviour other than taking drugs and physical abuse is not good parenting. Teenagers, especially young teenagers, need boundaries to feel safe and they need room to make mistakes so they can learn. They literally do not have the brain processing skills they (or most of them! Wink ) will develop as they get older for consistent effective decision-making.

Finding the balance between these, often conflicting, teenage development issues is something almost all parents struggle with (no matter what they say!). Please don’t beat yourself up for being a normal parent. For what it’s worth, I think your parenting instincts are probably stronger than most.

Look after yourself SqeamishMum and please don’t let yourself feel cowed or browbeaten by a bunch of catty strangers on an Internet forum. You absolutely deserve the respect you are seeking.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 03/09/2020 08:02

DifficultPif - take some gramar lessons

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 great advice, thanks.

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