Sister not wanting to self isolate

[1234Julia]

My sister has just returned from a two month holiday in Bulgaria (her husband is Bulgarian) but is refusing to self isolate for 14d. Bulgaria is on the list of countries that you need to self isolate. I’m so angry at the moment at her selfish attitude. She says she need to pop out for food... my argument is she can buy it online and get it delivered the same day/ she should have thought about this before going on her holiday ! She could have put a few pizzas, bread and milk in the freezer. Anyway I’m not on talking terms right now and she’s telling me I’m over reacting and insecure for feeling like this !
Surely I’m not !

What do you actually hope to achieve? Your sister is responsible for her own action and you yours: you've told her your view and she doesn't accept it. End of story.

You could do one of three things: crack on with your own life and forget it, continue sending her to Coventry, or report her (an abysmal thing to do in any circumstances but more so when it's your own sister). The end result will probably be the same either way. There isn't a lot you can do about it, so why waste angst?

[quote amusedbush]@022828MAN

I sound like hard work?? So, you'd be happy to be stuck at home following the rules while your mother quite openly swanned around doing whatever she wanted because she was "bored"?[/quote]
Some people are choosing to put their physical health first, some people are choosing to put others health first, and some people are choosing to put their mental health first.
You being incensed that your mum walked the dog with your brother is definitely excessive, and yes - that makes it sound like you're hardwork.

@022828MAN

I'm autistic so have firm ideas about right and wrong. There were rules in place, my mum chose to break them repeatedly and her response when questioned about it was basically "fuck everyone else".

So fine, maybe I'm hard work.

I have a relative who was in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID but who hasn't yet (3 days later) been contacted by the track and trace system. They have no symptoms.

They have been told by their HR ( a college) that if they go and get tested they can go to work.

I don't think this is correct as they could still develop symptoms within the 14 day period.

Advice on the net seems only to refer to those contacted by track and trace not to those who know they have been in contact personally.

I saw on TV that track and trace took 5 days to contact some of those on the TUI flight. What use is that?

Who is correct?

Some people stick to rules; others bend or break them.
It’s her decision not yours.

So sick of hearing how some people mock those who are adhering to the rules, “you’re paranoid”, “get a grip”, “over the top”, “playing into the Governments hands” etc.
It also doesn’t surprise me to hear that some employers are telling staff they can come back after their holiday (where quarantine applies) if they test negative - quarantining is still mandatory!! They must be aware of the fact that someone can test negative straight after coming back but still get it in the 14 day period.

What do you actually hope to achieve? Your sister is responsible for her own action and you yours: you've told her your view and she doesn't accept it. End of story.

No! If she infects someone because she can't be bothered to quarantine, then she could kill someone. Not to mention her child could infect another child or a teacher and get the school shut down. These rules aren't for fun.

I thought that too, but that is what they have been told and in a college......of 1000 plus students.

@Venicelover

I have a relative who was in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID but who hasn't yet (3 days later) been contacted by the track and trace system. They have no symptoms.

They have been told by their HR ( a college) that if they go and get tested they can go to work.

I don't think this is correct as they could still develop symptoms within the 14 day period.

Advice on the net seems only to refer to those contacted by track and trace not to those who know they have been in contact personally.

I saw on TV that track and trace took 5 days to contact some of those on the TUI flight. What use is that?

Who is correct?

If they do not have symptoms and have not been contacted by track and trace they do not need to do anything. Track and trace is not going to contact every single person who has walked past somebody that tested positive, it will depend on the level and nature of interaction.

If they have no symptoms they do not need to take a test, attached are reasons to take a test and your HR person telling you to is not one of them.

Some people stick to rules; others bend or break them.

So it's ok to drive on the pavement, drive as fast as I like on the road, ignore zebra crossings and traffic lights, take money from someone's purse, steal from shops, or give people the food they're allergic too? I mean, if rules don't apply, then by inference, I can do anything I want and to hell with anyone else.

Rules are to regulate reasonable behaviour in society. We don't get to pick and choose.

No! If she infects someone because she can't be bothered to quarantine, then she could kill someone. Not to mention her child could infect another child or a teacher and get the school shut down. These rules aren't for fun.

The point is that there's nothing more OP can do about it. She can ignore her sister until kingdom come; doesn't stop her going out of the house. She can get onto the authorities if she so chooses: it's still unlikely anything will come of it. They can't police everyone.

What then? Hermetically seal her sister into her house?

It's a waste of energy getting angsty if it changes nothing. Choose your battles. This one's futile.

If they do not have symptoms and have not been contacted by track and trace they do not need to do anything. Track and trace is not going to contact every single person who has walked past somebody that tested positive, it will depend on the level and nature of interaction.

They were in a car with the person for 2 hours on the day before they tested positive. They had lunch with them and had them in their house for an hour or more after the trip out. Not a casual walk past, yet they haven't been contacted.

But it’s not me I’m worried about right? It’s other people. If everyone adopted this attitude we’ll be having a second wave soon

You can get the virus from simply touching something that the infected person has touched... it’s not just through coughing !

Yes I did because she said she couldn’t get a slot ... I knew that was just an excuse so I checked to see if she actually had tried ...which she hadn’t . Not calming down...

@1234Julia

Yes I did because she said she couldn’t get a slot ... I knew that was just an excuse so I checked to see if she actually had tried ...which she hadn’t . Not calming down...

She is coming from a country with a far lower incidence than the UK.

You are more of a risk than she is quite frankly. I agree with your decision to speak to her about it because those are the rules. But she is allowed to go to shop for food and to stop speaking to your sister over this is an overreaction.

Your sister and anyone who claims to "not be able to get worked up" about people breaking these rules need to have a serious think about how you could be affecting others by spreading this virus without even knowing.

But then everyone should be having a serious think about that. Because everyone in the UK lives in a country with a much higher incidence of infection than Bulgaria.

@1234Julia

You can get the virus from simply touching something that the infected person has touched... it’s not just through coughing !

No, you can't. You don't absorb the virus through the skin. You could only catch the virus in those circumstances if you then touch somewhere vulnerable like your mouth or eyes, and all you need to do to avoid that is to wash your hands properly.

Well she should be quarantine but the whole issue of quarantine is a farce as she’s travelling from a lower incident rate than here!
And you Can’t catch it from touching things unless you then put fingers in your mouth or eyes ! Just wash hands !

And I think op you are rather dramatic and hysterical

So don't talk to her. She's better off without. The whole exercise is ridiculous. You don't run her life, focus on something more positive instead.

Back in March I went to the supermarket knowing dp had symptoms because we needed food. (He moved there recently, I still technically lived elsewhere but stayed because he got sick). If you wash your hands and wear a mask you aren't putting people at risk

@Venicelover that Tui flight landed at 11.40pm on Tuesday night. People from that flight were testing over the course of that week. The first test results would have been through on the Thursday/Friday. As soon as another group was identified from that flight it would have been apparent there was a problem and the isolation advice came on the Sunday. No one gets tested by border force as they step off the plane!

@1234Julia

But it’s not me I’m worried about right? It’s other people. If everyone adopted this attitude we’ll be having a second wave soon

Sure it isn't. Never is, is it? Been expecting that second wave since May . . . . hint: it never went away, so you can't have a second wave in the first place.

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