To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

I'm sick to death of posts like this. We're all in very different boats sailing through the same storm and everybody is just trying to juggle their own personal set of circumstances as best they can and make the best choices they can in the face of conflicting and confusing advice, a poor government response and a scare-monkeying media. Don't judge others for making a decision that maybe wouldn't sit right with you and your present situation.

Not sure if you can tell from my tone, but I'd bloody love a holiday right now.

Stop judging everyone!!!!!

Definitely selfish when they don't quarantine on return, and mix with vulnerable people.
This is one thing that worries me about sending my child with health issues back to school. I've shielded him until now, but it's who he will be mixing with and where they have been.

Some people will defend their right to go on holiday overseas in a pandemic to the end they will say flights are safe, airports are quiet, numbers are low and anything else that will allow them to hold on to the illusion that their choices are safe, and they are not responsible for the spread of the virus and the deaths that will follow.

There will always be selfish people that put themselves before others, even in a pandemic.
Covid has certainly shown people for what they are, we have been able to see very clearly the character of our friends and family for what they truly are - the good, the bad the downright ugly. Those that stored hundred of loo rolls versus those that delivered food for others more vulnerable, worked on the front line without complaint.
Travelling overseas in a pandemic is just another example of what we have seen throughout. It changes the way you see certain people permanently.

Of far more importance is how people behave with regards to minimising the risk of transmission, whether at home or abroad. Some people are selfish gits wherever they are, they don't need to go abroad for that.

If I decide to go on holiday I can avoid people for 2 weeks when I get back. Car to and from the airport, home delivery of food on return so the person at risk is just me. I'm thinking about it and the only reason I havent gone is the risk on the plane/ at my destination. I wont be taking the virus with me, I could pick it up there.

But there are idiots in my area who brought the virus back from holiday, tested positive and have spread it by going to work. I see both sides of the argument but what is selfish is not isolating when you have the virus.

@yahoosername

"I guess that situation doesn’t count as a normal holiday because they fancy some sun, but it was needed for mental health."

Isn't the reason anyone goes on holiday to improve their mental health?

Not always. They sometimes go to see a specific attraction, meet friends, or see a bit of the world.

I went to Majorca earlier in the summer. It was fantastic, felt much safer than here at home where everything is basically completely back to normal. Of course we complied with the return requirements where we live (test on arrival and quarantine until results).

We went because we could, we wanted to, and because my livelihood has been in travel my whole life and it's killing me to watch the industry die. To those boldly stating 'well we're just going to go on holiday next year' how are you expecting to get there, and where will you stay? If people don't take their own calculated risks now then the flights and hotels we appear to take for granted will be gone.

We miss out on Greece in May We have been way in uk since which we enjoyed. I'm not planning a abroad holiday until I know I can do it responsibly

We may all be in different boats travelling through the same storm, but it's when someone from another boat jumps into your shielded boat that the problems start.

@crawlbee I don't make excuses for going on holiday. I love going on holiday, so I go on holiday.
I won't holiday in the UK though. Miserable weather and rip off prices.
@aragog I'm not spending hours driving abroad when I can get there in a fraction of the time on a plane. Why would I.
The only time I drive over to mainland Europe is when I'm visiting my family and only so I can bring lots of lovely food and wine back with me.

I agree it's maybe not wise, OP, but what can you do. Flights, boats etc are operating. They will go out of business if nobody uses them.
The people who refuse to follow quarantine laws (eg my family member who said "I'm not going to stay in the house" and instead went to a party) are the problem.

I don't make excuses for going on holiday. I love going on holiday, so I go on holiday.
I won't holiday in the UK though. Miserable weather and rip off prices.

Well yes exactly, and that's good, it's people who rather than just say that come up with all sorts of 'excuses' when they don't need to justify it.

The pandemic has certainly revealed how narrow minded and judgemental some people are. No choices are “safe”. Even sealing yourself inside your home with a year’s worth of food and water supplies is not “safe.”

I'm with @Walkaround and @OutComeTheWolves

Summerpoppies

I don't think you should.
I was responding to another poster who commented that going abroad involved a plane and airport. I simply said it didn't have to, if that was a concern to you.

My own teen Dd has traveled by plane this summer. I wasn't concerned for her, not for the risk she might impose on me. As it was she was SDed on the plane throughout as it was only about a third full anyway.

What about holidays in other parts of the U.K.? Don’t they count?

@HowFastIsTooFast You make such a good point. How many airlines and hotels will still be in business next year? I think next year people are going to be very shocked.

I’m going on holiday next week. The place we’re going to is an island with a low rate of Covid. They ask for a negative test result from the last 72 hours before letting anyone in, so they know the likelihood of anyone being infected is actually pretty low.

People cite being on an aircraft as a risk because everyone is breathing the same air, but HEPA filters and a complete turnaround for 100% new air every 3 minutes means that the air on a plane is cleaner than your friends house or a restaurant, which I’m assuming you’ve made your peace with.

And at the airport we’ll be in the first class lounge, so no standing packed together in queues for security and check in, plenty of space to socially distance while waiting etc.

I’m in more danger of catching Covid popping into the petrol station on the way to the airport for travel sweets!

We are probably going to greece at the end of September

We won’t be booking a holiday for next year as we obviously don’t know what will be happening

We’ve Done our best to follow the guidelines and will continue to do so

If anything changes this month (Except for quarantining) then we won’t be Going

Both DH and I are front line key workers and we needed a holiday. We're also homeschooling and juggling work and school of various aged children, one SEN. I don't know how we're still standing to be honest with you. We barely are!

I would not personally go abroad but we've been away in the UK twice in the last month. Why? Because winter does not look good and our mental health is already not good. We're exhausted, we have had no time off since February.

We believe the UK needs our financial support. Increasing our chances of having to quarantine on the back of a holiday, we feel, is not a responsible choice to make considering our jobs.

I fully expect to go back to work and be treating patients who are very ill because of contracting covid while abroad.

I am utterly dreading winter 2020/2021 and simple cannot allow myself to think about it otherwise I will crumble and I can't do that.

We have booked a good holiday for late 2021 and we will be going unless stopped by the government.

You can think whatever you like. But as long as youre not the one in charge making decisions then you cant really expect everyone to bow to your way of thinking.

Holidays are always selfish.

Holidays are always a "want" not "need".

Some people are more stressed about covid than others.

I've not gone away this year, I probably won't until next Easter now, (rescheduled holiday from this year) but if someone else has a holiday booked, I think they should go and enjoy it and those who think we should be happy with only our basic needs met can keep judgements about others wanting to have fun to themselves.

Some people will defend their right to go on holiday overseas in a pandemic to the end they will say flights are safe, airports are quiet, numbers are low and anything else that will allow them to hold on to the illusion that their choices are safe, and they are not responsible for the spread of the virus and the deaths that will follow

I haven't been abroad for three years, and have no plans to go at the moment. Not that I have to justify anything to you, but seeing as I'm the person that mentioned hearing that airports are quiet and numbers low, I figured I'm probably one of the people you think is being selfish.

I'm not. I'm just being realistic.

I've not heard of anywhere going back into lockdown because of people travelling abroad. But Aberdeen has to go back purely because of people going to pubs.

I don't think travel abroad is necessary for most people at present.
I would avoid it, certainly for holidays.
Planes with recycled air, crammed airports etc in a global pandemic?
I would probably privately judge anyone who did 'pop off on hols'.