To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

I’m torn on this. I think going on holiday if pre booked and would lose a lot of money is fair enough. I think booking a new holiday during this period is selfish. A lot of things in life are selfish though.

I went abroad on holiday and I would not have done so if I thought I was increasing the risk to others.
I think about 1 in 1900 people have COVID right now and we need some perspective. I just don't think going on holiday is spreading it around any more than other activities.

YABU to judge other people and post yet another ranting message about this. But I think it is madness to go abroad right now, especially with the gov slapping quarantine rules on in certain countries without any warning. That would be enough to put me off travelling. Same with the eat out to help out scheme and having to hand details over and risk getting a call to self isolate. I just can't be bothered with that.

I haven't left my county for a year, mainly because I can't be arsed with the travelling with young kids, so it hasn't changed much for me. For once I am glad I can't afford an exotic holiday. We've been camping instead and there are still risks attached to that. I guess lots of people would call me selfish on here for that too.

It might be more reasonable to say "eating processed meat and sandwiches at the moment is selfish and unnecessary" given the spread in food processing plants.

I'm going to Turkey next month

I don't give a monkeys for made up shit on social media

@52andblue Please do some research as to how air on planes is circulated. In terms of being indoors and close to other people a plane is one of the safest places you can be, air wise.

That's exactly why when a positive case has been on a plane on the people sitting immediately around them are contacted for quarantine and further testing. The risk for someone sitting just 3 rows away is almost zero.

What a load of bollocks.

You realise covid exists in this country right?- so people going on holiday within the UK are just as much at risk of picking it up and spreading it around. Your theory would only work if we had eradicated covid but we havent have we?

Therefore, you are spewing uninformed, judgemental bollocks. Perhaps if you dialled the cortisol fuelled judginess down a notch you'd be doing your own immune system a favour.

@Cismyfatarse Venice must have been amazing without all the crowds! Jealous of your trip

For anyone concerned about the safety of air travel

This virus is from the other side of the world. We are an island. It arrived here because of people, the richer groups of people, insisting on their “rights” to travel abroad and bring it back here to infect other people. YADNBU op and I am appalled by some of the self-satisfied comments on here.

This is the new cancel culture. Travel Shaming. You do what you do OP and let everyone else make their own decisions.

@takenbywine

Its been two weeks since I've been back from my THIRD holiday and I haven't caught it. The places I went were much safer than the UK and it worked wonders on my mental health. No I don't think it's selfish. I think it's selfish to call out on people who have had enough of these draconian measures which is a mild disease on the majority. I've had it btw. I think it's selfish to fuck up our economy and be part of that. Guess what? Flu season is approaching so I guess people like yourself should stay locked up in your homes forever.

All about you... You don’t THINK you caught it (unless you have maybe had 2 swabs) And you have no idea if you transmitted it to the other countries.

I don't really understand the logic that 'abroad' = greater risk of transmission - particularly to countries with a much better track record of low infection rates and transmission control than the UK.
I've seen pictures of Brits having days out at the beach and that every UK holiday resort is booked out, not to mention how popular the reopening of pubs and restaurants has been with an alarming lack of use of masks anywhere. That seems like a greater risk than 'abroad' to me.

Then perhaps @herethereandeverywhere you shouldn’t be spreading it abroad? What a disgusting entitled culture Britain has become - and it’s coming from the rich middle classes, not the much maligned poorer groups.

A lot of selfish people on this thread forget that the virus spread so fast due to international travel...

My exH took my two kids camping in Scotland (not far from us)
they took all precautions and supported local businesses
It wasn't what you'd hope for, but it was a break for MH reasons.
That is the sort of holiday that is sensible atm, rather than Disneyland

I went to the lake District in July and came into contact with loads of people.

I recently returned from Italy where I stayed in a private apartment and hardly came across anybody. People I did see all wore facemasks, even walking down the street.

I wouldn’t do it myself because if the hassle and risk, but I don’t judge others for it.

We're going to Crete in a fortnight because we want to. We've had 3 holidays cancelled already and we really want some sun and a change of scenery.

We were meant to be going to Fuerteventura where there is less than 50 cases. No one has died and most of the cases are in a migrant centre however Boris reckons it's not safe for me to go there. I can go to my local, small, town where there's 20x more cases and crack on with my life. The queues outside pubs and lack of social distancing there is an absolute joke so I don't go, but apparently that's safe. It makes so bloody sense.

A super spreader will still spread Covid once they get out of their car and mingle amongst other people. In Spain, you have to wear a mask out in public, while in England you do not. Therefore, a superspreader is more like to pass Covid on in England than in Stain.

@TheFairyCaravan

We're going to Crete in a fortnight because we want to. We've had 3 holidays cancelled already and we really want some sun and a change of scenery.

We were meant to be going to Fuerteventura where there is less than 50 cases. No one has died and most of the cases are in a migrant centre however Boris reckons it's not safe for me to go there. I can go to my local, small, town where there's 20x more cases and crack on with my life. The queues outside pubs and lack of social distancing there is an absolute joke so I don't go, but apparently that's safe. It makes so bloody sense.

Did you not get absolutely loads of sun up until very recently in this country? It was boiling hot for weeks! There are plenty of nice, uncrowded places to go on holiday here and this year (and last), we've had amazing weather.

A lot of selfish people on this thread forget that the virus spread so fast due to international travel

Too late to change that now. But there are measures in place to mitigate that, to reduce transmission.

Much riskier to go to pubs and restaurants in the UK where people are not wearing masks than it is to go on an aeroplane with masks and strict cleaning protocols between flights.

But that's okay because its good for the economy...

"No they haven’t, but it increases the risk, one major reason we have had so many more deaths is because we didn’t close our airports as fast as other countries"

As said not true. We didn't know how to treat it. We left people to die in settings and at home. That's why our death rate is so high.

I personally think that the global travel/tourist industry needed bailing out more, to cut down on travel, but apparently the cost would be too much. Plus not all countries would have complied.

I'm in Liverpool, I know lots of people who work out of Speke Airport. They were at risk of job loses and there's no other jobs to go to. I don't think that this virus has a high enough death rate, now we have facts, to stay in lock down. I think we've got to get over the fear of testing positive and concentrate on hospital admissions and deaths.

There's more people in some tourist destinations that will die from malnutrition, children included and the rise in DV than they will Covid. That's beside from suicides.

"Rich middle classes" my ass. Don't be such a snob. People from all strata of society go on foreign holidays, witness the pictures of them in the tabloids, cavorting around.

People are not 'entitled'; they are 'entitled to....', or have a 'sense of entitlement' but saying they are 'entitled' means nothing.

Did you not get absolutely loads of sun up until very recently in this country? It was boiling hot for weeks!

Not in the NW it wasn't.

I think everyone has a personal responsibility to minimise the transmission of the virus around the country and around the world. How people feel with their conscience about that responsibility seems to vary widely.