To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

@Walkaround

But of course, *@SubordinateThatClause* - because obviously teachers are selfish if they question the sanity of cramming more than 30 people in a room together, or for wanting children to wear masks, or for asking why money could not be spared to make schools safer, and tourists are selfish for siting outside on beaches in July and August, and young people are selfish for risking a virus that is unlikely to make them ill for any reason other than going to school.

I have a cunning plan - when schools going back raises the virus transmission rate, let’s blame it on people who went on holiday weeks beforehand.

Great plan. Straight out of the Johnson/Cummings handbook

Well that's the height of selfishness right there.

That's something to lose sleep over, said no one ever. Why do people think everyone else is so invested in so much else? I encountered someone yesterday, he rang me about a service I had already purchased, he might have made the transaction easier, but he chose not to, okay, just say so and fuck off. Instead he tried to tell me his story and why and his angst and tried to guilt me blah blah blah. FFS. I'd already paid someone the better part of £400, I'm getting it no matter what. It was all I could do to be polite and not just tell him, 'Off you fuck then.'

It’s not illegal...flights haven’t been cancelled.

Surely the rules are straightforward re SD whether here or abroad. It’s fairly clear that if travel, on your return you may have to quarantine for 2 weeks. If you’re fine with that, I don’t see a problem.

If you choose not to travel abroad, that’s your choice but I don’t think I get to judge other people’s choices when they are abiding by the rules/guidelines. We all have to decide our own comfort level.

YABVU

@OverTheRainbow88

We drove there and back. Fuel stops were pay at pump (gloves & sanitiser used).

Did you not need to stop for loo breaks? Sleep somewhere to break up the journey etc?

No need to break up the journey. Two of us to share the driving. Picnic lunch eaten in car. One loo break which was. “Tree wee” at a woodland aire with no one else around. Only eight hours driving in France then the tunnel, them another hour or so in U.K.

The death rate is now practically zero. I will be booking a holiday or two as soon as I can!

I think concentrate on our own lives and forget what other people are doing. If they want to go on holiday its non of my business!

"if you chose to stay home, that's absolutely fine. It doesn't make you superior. It might make you more miserable, but that's your problem."

It doesn't make me miserable or superior.

"Thankfully there's still a slither of rationale thinking left here, people going to prison for that is not aspirational it's pretty twisted."

You only have to look at the rates of infection and death to see who is twisted between Asia and Europe/the west. I know where I'd rather be.

It should be down to individual choice surely besides not convinced it’s more dangerous to go abroad than to go in the U.K.

The problem. IMO is not people going on holiday, it’s people ignoring quarantine rules on their return and there being no check ups to ensure it’s enforced coupled with the fact that many people have given up on social distancing back home too.

I stayed in the UK this year but stayed somewhere where the COVID rates in the major towns near to where we stayed were high. Is that better than if I had gone abroad? Not necessarily, Should I have come home when I realised that after arrival? Instead, we planned our activities carefully and avoided these major towns but it wasn’t a bullet proof plan because nothing is, staying at home isn’t either unless we continue to isolate forever.

This virus is going to be with us for a long time, we have sacrificed a lot already and it has taken a huge toll on people’s mental health and well-being. Therefore, we need to find a new normal, to get back on with life but with precautions.

I feel I am still being cautious and largely sticking by the rules but pretty much all of my friends have given up: Family meet-ups with more than one household, photos of people with their arms around each other etc etc and it worries me. But I also get why they are - how many months/years are we supposed to go before we can get together as extended families or give a loved one we don’t live with a hug? There’s no easy answer to this.

I am so worried about my children’s education and future but they are only one part of a bigger picture and the world cannot grind to a halt.

Love the “they saw you coming” comment from a camper scoffing at a pp for paying more for her lovely holiday In Turkey than they spent camping in a muddy field in England! Pmsl!

I can understand that individuals want their holidays and will lose money if they didn’t etc. However I do think the various governments should have stopped so much travel this summer - just as I think our borders should have been closed much quicker when the threat first occurred.

@Tumbleweed101 - the US closed its borders pretty quickly. FA use that was, as the virus was already well established there. With millions of people using Heathrow not just to travel to, but to travel through each year, it was already too late for the UK too, long before people were suggesting it - especially given the continuation of events, commuting on crowded transport, going straight back to work on return from skiing in Italy (these people did have to be allowed home). The UK is a transport hub - unlike Australia and New Zealand, which nobody would fly to on the way to somewhere else.

I wouldn't travel abroad just now, unless absolutely essential (and I wouldn't regard holidays as essential)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53970217

I think there is a big difference in large groups travelling to a resort compared with driving through Euro tunnel and staying in a self contained gite in the French countryside.

[quote notanothertakeaway]I wouldn't travel abroad just now, unless absolutely essential (and I wouldn't regard holidays as essential)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53970217[/quote]
I wouldn't go to a UK restaurant for dinner or a pub or bar for drinks. Had a lovely holiday abroad though.

I have just gone back from a two weeks trip in the South of France. We are now self isolating for the 14 days as per the rules. My DD will miss the start of school. I knew this and made the choice not to return earlier.
One of my friends returned and is not self isolating! This is annoying me. The government shouldn’t put rules in place they’re not enforcing!
What is the point? What is the message here?

@nicebreeze are you in an at risk category when it comes to the virus?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53969564

Allow people to go abroad on holiday or not and you will still get some astonishingly idiotic and dangerous behaviour.

Embarrassingly when holidays first started opening up I genuinely thought the quarantine would be served in some sort of detention centre 😳 I didn’t think they’d be self imposed and self policed!

@Walkaround Does it say they were tourists?

I'm a teacher. Went to France for a week at the beginning of the holidays. Stayed in a gite, went to some local beaches that were all really quiet, went to the supermarket once. It was lovely and peaceful. Travelled by ferry. Only half numbers on so there was lots of space and everyone was wearing masks and socially distancing well.

Went camping in this country last week and it was busy everywhere.

@PablosHoney - my point is, it’s irrelevant. Closing your borders when you already have the virus in your community is not going to stop the spread of coronavirus, as people who do not respect the guidelines behave like that wherever they are.

Hmm 🤔

@PablosHoney - so do you think the tourists who went to Zante and caught coronavirus on Zante would have avoided catching coronavirus had they stayed at home and taken a similar attitude to mask wearing and socialising here? Or do you think tourism within the UK should also have been banned and households mixing indoors should have been banned everywhere in the UK this summer and not just in places like Leicester and Greater Manchester?