To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

Bore off mate I'm not spending the rest off my life at home hiding from a virus.

This. Not really bothered about how 'selfish' judgemental arses think it is, either. Not a gram of fuck given

Yup, Well said! Also, I am shaking my head at the judgy comments when those people didnt give a shit about anyone else prior to covid did they? what did they ever do for others then eh? now suddenly they think theyre all mother theresa or something.
Give me a fcking break. Ive seen some vile comments on here about people's mental health during lockdown, scolding people for daring to feel depressed or telling them theyre "murderers" for merely finding lockdown challenging, the very same people who bleat on about thinking about others and "being kind".

What a load of hypocritical nonsense.

@Toilenstripes

Britain has a holiday culture. It’s considered an entitlement and from the outside looking in I find it disturbing.

And other developed countries don't?

YABU some people have had an incredibly tough year. I’ve been working like a dog trying to make enough money so the firm can bring people back from furlough and deserve a nice rest. The place I went to was so quiet and far fewer cases than in the UK I would’ve been more at risk going to Tesco.
Also we need to keep travel companies and airlines in business. I was also travelling in February when there were no measures in place, IMO that was more risky

The place I went to was so quiet and far fewer cases than in the UK I would’ve been more at risk going to Tesco.

And a risk to that community and country

@OverTheRainbow88 - quite patently a risk which the country thought was infinitely lower than the economic risk of closing its borders to other countries.

@OverTheRainbow88 the people are worried about their livelihoods also. They need money to live the response to Covid has been a sledgehammer to crack a nut and the economic downfall will have far worse outcomes for people long term

Just had a couple of weeks in the sun drinking cocktails in a 5 star hotel. Just what we needed to recharge and boost our mental health.

Currently abroad and having a great time. Did a staycation camping in Cornwall In July that was ridiculously expensive and unsatisfying. My week in turkey is costing £500 less for 4 AI. I know which I’d chose again when weighing everything up.

@Elai1978

Just had a couple of weeks in the sun drinking cocktails in a 5 star hotel. Just what we needed to recharge and boost our mental health.

and you felt the need to boast about it to boost your mental health even more?

@Walkaround currently the UK overall has lower rates of covid 19 than Spain, France, Denmark and a greatmany other European countries ... maybe we are looking at different data then?

Spain is also bad because guess what's UK's preferred holiday destination...

@Soulstirring

Currently abroad and having a great time. Did a staycation camping in Cornwall In July that was ridiculously expensive and unsatisfying. My week in turkey is costing £500 less for 4 AI. I know which I’d chose again when weighing everything up.

Crikey, they saw you coming didn't they?! We could camp for 5 weeks at the site we know with full facilities for the difference between your two holidays and 10 weeks at our favourite camp site.

That’s very simplistic 😑

What about people visiting family overseas that they haven't seen for months? In countries with less virus circulating than here? Not their fault the rules changed mid summer. Who are you to judge?

I'm abroad now, did plenty of hang wringing before coming and if it had been taken off the safe list we wouldn't have come. Masks in shops - same as in UK, everywhere quiet and normal with the exception of extra precautions in restaurants (salt and pepper sachets, cutlery in separate sachets) TBH I feel incredibly sorry for the local people - their livelihoods have been decimated.

YANBU
I have family including elderly parents abroad who I have not seen in nearly a year and I cannot visit as will have to self isolate for 10 days after arrival and I am terrified of bringing the virus to them.
I know many in the same boat and it is painful. I also missed a family funeral a few months ago.
My home country has advised its citizens not to travel abroad and I just think it’s not necessary right now. Everyone can cope one year without a week in Spain!

@ZooKeeper19:

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Yes, clearly we are looking at different data if you think the UK’s current 14-day cumulative rate of cases per 100,000 is bad compared to Spain (whose rate you cannot possibly blame on UK tourists, given the fact it has risen astronomically since UK tourists largely stopped going there due to its removal from the list of countries the FCO advises it is safe to go to, and the fact Madrid has the worst problem, and this is Spain’s capital, not is tourist mecca...). Or bad compared to France. Denmark has improved slightly since I last looked, but really - where are you getting the impression it is currently the UK that is in an out of control situation?!?!

UK 14-day cumulative rate per 100,000: 23. Spain cumulative rate: 205.5. France cumulative rate: 85.1. Italy: 22.2. Germany 21.1. Sweden 25.6.

Spain had a very strict lockdown. Did this result in the more youthful members of its society going a bit wild once given a bit of freedom? Or shall we just blame foreign travel?

If I need a holiday I’m not going to not go just to enable some other persons kids to go to school.

I have no skin in that game

Some very touristy bits of France still seem to be getting off quite lightly. Disappointingly random, this virus, for those who want to pinpoint blame.

@ACautionaryTale

If I need a holiday I’m not going to not go just to enable some other persons kids to go to school.

I have no skin in that game

Well that's the height of selfishness right there.

Not really bothered about how 'selfish' judgemental arses think it is, either. Not a gram of fuck given

Couldn't agree more. We're going on Wednesday ( two adults) and can quarantine if needed. I wont justify it, I wont say I 'need' it. I am just doing it. And you can take your judgemental, 'ew. staying in a high rise in Benidorm/Albufiera/Kavos' whatever, prissy bollocks and shove it. We're not, and we never have done.

@Walkaround

Some very touristy bits of France still seem to be getting off quite lightly. Disappointingly random, this virus, for those who want to pinpoint blame.

Most clusters in France seem to be around offices and workplaces with from close working environments, hence the new rules about masks at work. Obviously U.K. offices and classrooms will be exempt from this particular method of transmission 🤦🏻.

But of course, @SubordinateThatClause - because obviously teachers are selfish if they question the sanity of cramming more than 30 people in a room together, or for wanting children to wear masks, or for asking why money could not be spared to make schools safer, and tourists are selfish for siting outside on beaches in July and August, and young people are selfish for risking a virus that is unlikely to make them ill for any reason other than going to school.

I have a cunning plan - when schools going back raises the virus transmission rate, let’s blame it on people who went on holiday weeks beforehand.

and you felt the need to boast about it to boost your mental health even more?

Why not? Two tears in a bucket, mother fuck it!