To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

[quote Lightline]@nicebreeze are you in an at risk category when it comes to the virus?[/quote]
I'm not, no. I don't prioritise meals and drinks out and so don't take the risk. My family holiday is important to us and so worth the risk. We've quarantined now we're home and took sensible precautions while away.

I don't judge anybody who chooses to eat or drink out so don't expect judgment for taking a holiday

I’m not saying any of that, I just think your link is very tenuous to this thread

@Walkaround

That makes no sense at all.

Of course the fewer people who have it, the less it spreads. If you allow people into the country, it's going to spread more.

In what way is it tenuous to point out that if covid 19 is already endemic in a community and members of that community will flout the rules regardless, that allowing overseas travel to countries that in general have lower or similar rates of covid 19 to here, and similar or stricter rules than here (Greece’s rules are more strict than here) is not appreciably increasing the risks to the community?

@DancingCatGif - so you wouldn’t allow British people to come back into the UK?! These are British people we are talking about.

@DancingCatGif - do you think the spikes in Leicester and Greater Manchester were caused by holidaymakers?

So you basically want Norwegians banned from holidays 😋

Now, if they had banned tourism within the UK, it would have been entirely logical to ban tourism outside, too.

@PablosHoney - funnily enough, I’m not the one saying tourism overseas shouldn’t be taking place!

I’m mildly teasing you and not am I 😘

Nor not Not

@MsTSwift

Love the “they saw you coming” comment from a camper scoffing at a pp for paying more for her lovely holiday In Turkey than they spent camping in a muddy field in England! Pmsl!

You misunderstand, it was the overpriced campsite, it's possible to camp and not be ripped off like that. You just have to look.

We have just come back from France. We booked before COVID and wouldn't have got a refund. Should we have just written off the money? Also France was so much more careful with masks and sanitiser than we have experienced here. Where we stayed had a much lower incidence of Covid than our home town and we travelled on a ferry in our own cabin. However you still think that we should have just thrown away all our hard earned money?

It is something we have thought of.
Dh suffers from depression and a holiday in the sun helps him no end.
I have severe psoriasis and my light treatment ( which is the only thing that eased it ) stopped We usually have 1 week in the sun twice a year, nothing expensive. Both usually cost less than many people pay for a single holiday. We also don't smoke or drink and our holidays are what we enjoy.
This year with no holidays and no treatment for my skin, I am bleeding raw and itching and in pain in most of my torso.
I also have a special birthday coming up, dh and adult kids wanted to pay for a holiday as we did for dh . But no that won't happen. My psoriasis has caused me stress.
So do I think it wrong or irresponsible to go on holiday? No I would if we could be sure we could get staying a week without mad panic to get home.

I daily read about z listers and such going from one holiday to another, even bankrupt ones yet rarely quarantine. Daily there are dinghies full of people who come into the country. Yet hard working people are crucified if they go on a well deserved break.

I have to be careful that the lack of treatment and holiday does not lead to sepis

@PablosHoney - 😝

Yes because its not like its not in this country is it ?
Why can't people just learn to live and let live
Also i bet if the whole travel industry collapses the ones who moan don't rely on this to put food on the table already

Why can't people just learn to live and let live

Because people’s decisions affect others.

@OverTheRainbow88

Why can't people just learn to live and let live

Because people’s decisions affect others.

And stopping people going on holiday abroad affects the lives of people in the travel industry.

Or is it only when 'your life' might be impacted that only matters?

We're going to squabble all winter - clearly the travel industry is hugely important nationally. But outbreaks like in Plymouth cost a fortune too potentially, if they precipitate shutdowns.

What. A. Mess.

Am sure the government has a plan

Obviously everybody's decisions affect others, but surely it's also selfish to want an entire nation to never go to a restaurant or take a trip abroad because 'you' believe 'you' are particularly vulnerable. For most people the risks of serious illness are not very high. My husband was quite unwell (mid 50s, asthmatic, hypertensive) but not ill enough to need hospitalisation and completely well now with strong antibodies. I was mildly unwell but haven't checked my antibodies.

I am an extremely conscientious citizen in terms of following rules. I am mask wearing when required, always gel, handwash, stay 2 m from everyone, follow one way systems, do most of my shopping online. But I went to a rural part of France with a friend. I don't think I'm selfish. I'm not quite sure how I'm putting 'you' at risk. If my behaviour in the UK is enough to mitigate risk, then I didn't significantly increase my risk by going abroad in a private car and staying in a private house. And I think given my illness I am unlikely to get it again just yet.

Why can't people just learn to live and let live

Because people’s decisions affect others.

All decisions have consequences. What about people who rely on the tourist industry for their livelihoods?

people have got to be less selfish and be sensible and the rules re facemasks etc need enforcing , TUI flight is a good example !

@OverTheRainbow88

Why can't people just learn to live and let live

Because people’s decisions affect others.

My decision to go on holiday didn't affect anyone. Perhaps I should have stayed st home and gone to my local with people who have no idea what social distancing is. Or gone and sat on a packed beech into his country. I had less chance of catching it iin Spain than here..