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To think going on holiday at the moment is selfish and unnecessary

649 replies

OverTheRainbow88 · 30/08/2020 07:59

I think it’s totally unnecessary and selfish for people to go abroad on holiday at the moment. I’m not talking about people that need to go abroad for other reasons, such as ,work or to see ill relatives etc. I think getting our children back to school trumps a holiday.
However, lots of family and friends are going away abroad for holidays, do others agree with me or am I being unreasonable?

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Corono · 30/08/2020 15:56

@Friendsoftheearth owning it and off on Saturday! ✈️ 🏖 🍹

I'm going to enjoy every minute.

You carry on judging and living in misery, whatever floats your boat!

RealityExistsInTheHumanMind · 30/08/2020 16:02

I think it is totally unnecessary and selfish of people to feel they have the right to judge others for making different decisions to them

I also think it is hugely irrational when the rate of infection is (a) very low and (b) even where cases are rising, hospitalisations and deaths are not.

There aren't even sufficient people currently ill to call it an epidemic. As a virus it isn't going anywhere and some of us are more ready to learn to live with it than others. There are lots of other things that are more likely to kill us at the moment.

Aragog · 30/08/2020 16:26

aragog the issue just to be clear is air travel.

The OP and many of the other posters, including the one who decided to have a snarky dig, have spoken about travel and holidays abroad as a whole, not just air travel.

So, although for you it may only be the air travel aspect, for others it appears to be any form of holiday abroad, regardless of how it took place.

Bwlch · 30/08/2020 16:30

Did you not get absolutely loads of sun up until very recently in this country? It was boiling hot for weeks

Some of us were inside, working.

Bagelbabies · 30/08/2020 16:30

And for the person who said the issue is “clearly air travel”. It’s clearly not. I travelled to France in my own car via the Channel Tunnel and have been forced to quarantine even though I went to self contained accommodation in the middle of nowhere in a location with an infection rate less than 1/3 of where I live. Meanwhile friends have been partying on overcrowded beaches and in bars. It’s a farce.

Aragog · 30/08/2020 16:32

France is now in the grip of a serious second wave, are you really telling me that this hasn't been caused by the holiday season?

As with Spain, when you look at the many of the areas affected, and some of their own media - and know of people's actions in those areas - then tourism could quite easily not have been the cause. Much of it, as it is here in the UK, seemingly happening on home ground and caused by residents themselves.

I mean that would also make sense too. Home residents are more likely to break SD and mask wearing guidelines between one another than many tourists, who are less likely to know one another and more likely to remain with just their own travelling party.

Like in England where most of the local restrictions are more likely to be caused by local people socialising together within heir homes, or so the track and trace figures appear to have shown.

Aragog · 30/08/2020 16:33

nice breeze - thank you. We have certainly had much better years, even without Covid on the scene. That just made everything, which would have been horrid anyway, so much harder.

Toilenstripes · 30/08/2020 16:35

Britain has a holiday culture. It’s considered an entitlement and from the outside looking in I find it disturbing.

m00rfarm · 30/08/2020 16:35

Friends who have come to the algarve say they feel safer here. Proper protocols everywhere for masks and hand sanitiser. No overcrowding.

nicebreeze · 30/08/2020 16:37

@Toilenstripes

Britain has a holiday culture. It’s considered an entitlement and from the outside looking in I find it disturbing.
That, I'm afraid, is your concern, not mine, or anyone else's. Spend less time looking in, or out, and focus on your own happiness
m00rfarm · 30/08/2020 16:38

We have 40 cases in the algarve that have been brought in from holiday makers. Majority of these are Portuguese. In our council which covers Carvoeiro and ferragudo which are huge holiday destinations, we have just seven cases currently. All of which are in quarantine. No one in hospital.

Thunderpunt · 30/08/2020 16:40

@Toilenstripes

Britain has a holiday culture. It’s considered an entitlement and from the outside looking in I find it disturbing.
I think many European countries have a 'holiday culture' - and in Italy many city centres are empty around Ferragosto (mid August) as workers shut up shop/offices to go to the coast or on holiday. I'm curious to know as an outsider what part of the world you are in that doesn't have a 'holiday culture'? I'd have thought many first world countries enjoy this kind of thing.
Aragog · 30/08/2020 16:45

Britain has a holiday culture.

Not just Britain from what we could gather whilst we were in France. We saw (car badges for example), and heard, holiday makers from many places from across Europe. Furthest away were from Canada that we overheard speaking to the waiter in one of the restaurants.

PourMeADrink · 30/08/2020 16:53

Britain has a holiday culture.

Why is this a bad thing? Should we all be tied to a desk forever without having a holiday. Although as someone pointed out it appears that some people think we are all sat at home on one permanent holiday enjoying the sun.

Tootletum · 30/08/2020 16:59

What does "at the moment" really mean? People keep saying things like "in the middle of a pandemic", when in fact this is it. Coronavirus will never go away, but the restrictions bloody better do, otherwise I'll just take the exit off a cliff so I don't have to listen to all this "for your protection" crap any more.

steakhousesally · 30/08/2020 17:04

If the UK closes their border for good, I am relocating!

Good luck with that.

Bagelbabies · 30/08/2020 17:04

@Toilenstripes

Britain has a holiday culture. It’s considered an entitlement and from the outside looking in I find it disturbing.
Tosh. I’ve lived in other cultures that had a far greater sense of entitlement during the summer season and some areas ended up almost deserted when the locals flew off on their hols...
nicebreeze · 30/08/2020 17:05

@Tootletum

What does "at the moment" really mean? People keep saying things like "in the middle of a pandemic", when in fact this is it. Coronavirus will never go away, but the restrictions bloody better do, otherwise I'll just take the exit off a cliff so I don't have to listen to all this "for your protection" crap any more.
I wrote "amidst a pandemic" in an earlier post and did think "are we still?"

Getting away has certainly recalibrated our family after a turbulent few months of redundancies, bereavements, and other pressures and it has made me look at the bigger picture. Where I was highly anxious about leaving the house I now feel far more philosophical about how the world will need to adapt

MsTSwift · 30/08/2020 17:07

Ha Britain’s “holiday culture” is nothing to the Southern Europeans who head to the beach for whole of August

PablosHoney · 30/08/2020 17:07

YABVVVVVVVVVU 😑 I haven’t even been abroad and that’s still my opinion.

missmouse101 · 30/08/2020 17:22

Yanbu OP.

SantaClaritaDiet · 30/08/2020 17:25

@steakhousesally

If the UK closes their border for good, I am relocating!

Good luck with that.

thank you.

If you think that the UK will magically become self-sufficient and borders will genuinely and fully be closed, you will be very disappointed....

MadameBlobby · 30/08/2020 17:28

France is now in the grip of a serious second wave, are you really telling me that this hasn't been caused by the holiday season?

First of all, you don’t know what a second wave means. The current thinking is that there will be just one wave.

Secondly, you don’t know it’s been caused by tourists or anything else.

Thirdly, France could have closed its border were that a concern. They chose not to do so.

Perhaps they ought to look a bit closer to home for their increases in cases. Ditto Spain. I don’t see why everything always has to be the fault of the Brits.

InFiveMins · 30/08/2020 17:36

YABU.

I haven't been on holiday this year, sadly, but I don't begrudge anyone that has, or will be going away.

Mind your own business and crack on with your own life instead of whining about what others choose to do.

Bwlch · 30/08/2020 17:36

If you think that the UK will magically become self-sufficient and borders will genuinely and fully be closed, you will be very disappointed

I think the point being made was that you wouldn't actually be able to relocate if the borders are closed because the borders would be closed.

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