What crime stories have you been obsessed by?

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I was griped by the James Bulger murder 25 years ago

Caroline Hogg and Susan Maxwell stick in my mind because I was young at the time.

Also the Babes in the Wood which has just recently been solved.

Two unsolved Murders from the 80s are quite sinister.

Alice and Edna Rowley killed in their shop and

And this case - a woman killed in a flat in a dull Birmingham suburb

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@Lucy40ishere

I find myself very intrigued by true crime stories. The one that sticks in my mind is the murder of the two French students in New Cross in 2008. They just happened to leave the window open as it was a hot day & were tortured & murdered in a horrific way. Very disturbing.

Yes I remember that. It was extremely disturbing.

Bartt was estranged from his mother and sister at the time due to his alcoholism. He was interviewed on the documentary I watched and he seemed very sincere about the loss of his family. I know that doesn't mean he couldn't have abducted them but he didn't seem to have much of a motive. There was a suspect whose name I can't remember who was into Civil War re-enactment but not sure what happened to him.

I'm always fascinated by true crime documentaries on netflix and sky.

Has anyone watched 'outcry' that was on sky crime recently?

No obsessed, but saddened. The murder of sisters Monique and Claudine Liebert, and the latters fiance Daniel Berland, who were on a camping tour of England and Wales in 1970. They had camped overnight on a verge at Delamere Forest, Cheshire, where they were shot in their tent with an air rifle that had been stolen that day from a fairground in Rhyl. The murderer left a suicide note, admitting guilt, but any motive was unclear. Had he happened on them by chance or followed them from the fairground in Rhyl ?

@CrazyToast Crime Junkie is awesome. Have you listened to the Brian Schaffer episode?

Thanks I’ll have a look. I remember the medical information stated the lady with missing eyes and tongue was alive when her tongue was removed and for a while after, so it was intentional whatever went on. It’s plausible someone in the group attacked the others due to their cold state they became psychotic, but crushed ribs in several of them compared to being hit by a truck makes it unlikely a person could do that. No one will ever know the truth now but it’s interesting that the local tribe refused to go there and mention strange things go on. That’s without the mention of the Bigfoot photo found on a camera and the diary entry ‘snowmen are real’ not sure what to make of that.

@Pinkflipflop85 I started watching it but got a bit bored half way through the first episode. Is it worth sticking with?

Junko Futuro. It’s not for the faint hearted. Poor girl.

Furuta. Spell check not helping.

@ChickenFriedFudge I ended up binge watching it!

The deaths of Robbie, Francis, and Alan Luxton - three siblings - at West Chapple farm, Winkleigh, Devon, 1975. The subject of the book 'Earth to Earth, by John Cornwall, which won the crimewriters' award for non-fiction.

Submarine killer Peter Langkjær Madsen murder of Swedish journalist Kim Wall

Was talking to a friend about this thread and she brought up another one that we used to think about; The Zodiac Killer, active in the late 60s-early 70s.

No one to really knows how many he killed or exactly when he stopped or started, he claimed (IIRC) 30-some victims but the police dispute the number. There were coded letters to the police & newspapers about his 'exploits', some authentic some thought to be fakes. But nothing since 1974.

You wonder not just why they do what what they do, but why they abruptly stop. Are they dead? In prison for other crimes?

I thought the body's eyes and tongue were missing because they'd be eaten by animals.

People talking about murders in their areas reminded me of one that happened when I started high school and had just moved up to Chester - it was a little girl called Kayleigh Ward, who was only a couple of years younger than I was at the time. She lived in a hostel with her family and she went out to buy chips and never came home - I remember seeing posters of her everywhere. Her body washed up on the shores of the Dee and it later came out that a man who lived in the hostel had taken her for a walk along the river and raped her, and when she tried to escape, he strangled her and threw her body into the river. She hung around town a lot and would often talk to older kids and I assume he must have followed her or something. Her niece, who is named after her, is campaigning to keep her killer locked up.

Not obsessed as such but

The World’s End murders. 37 years and a failed trial before someone was finally brought to justice for what happened to those lovely young women. I remember seeing their photos on news programmes when I was a little girl, and by the time they had justice I was old enough to have been their mum.

Peter Manuel. Just inexplicably evil really

Vicky Hamilton who was murdered by Peter Tobin. Again all these years of her smiling face in the photo that was shown of her, she was same age as me. I confess to shedding a wee tear when she was found x

Josef Fritzl. Absolutely beggars belief.

Susan Maxwell. She was the same age as me and looked like me from the photos. And then how Robert Black was finally caught after killing Caroline Hogg and Sarah Harper too. All the tireless police work and that he was caught just about to do the same to another little girl.

The Louise Woodward trial and OJ Simpson.

Susan Maxwell, too. She was a similar age to me and we even looked alike. I still think about her now.

And Jo Yeates. So terribly awful

I read about Robert Black on Wikipedia because of this thread and all I can say is, thank G-d they caught him while that little girl was still alive and tied up in his car, thanks to a neighbour witnessing the abduction and calling police, otherwise she would have been another statistic. Another teenage girl escaped from him as well, he grabbed her and she bit him, and her boyfriend intervened.

True crime documentaries have always fascinated me (I'm always watching cases on YouTube too tbh), but for the classic ones another vote for JonBenet.

Classic ones as in best known I should clarify - that case stands out to me because it's so terrible and confusing, poor girl.

@PhilSwagielka

I read about Robert Black on Wikipedia because of this thread and all I can say is, thank G-d they caught him while that little girl was still alive and tied up in his car, thanks to a neighbour witnessing the abduction and calling police, otherwise she would have been another statistic. Another teenage girl escaped from him as well, he grabbed her and she bit him, and her boyfriend intervened.

Yes that’s right Phil. A member of the public saw the wee girl round the back of the van presumably talking to Black, then he noticed her feet disappeared and the van drove off, and called the police who got a roadblock in place quickly. One of the police officers who found the girl in the van was her dad

Not obsessed..but some stick with you. I cant remember the name, but there was a british school girl who got murdered in a hostel during the night in France? I was about the same age at the time she it completely terrified me, never slept on a school trip after that :-(