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Help, my MIL is unbearable!

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Nightmareinlaws · 26/08/2020 21:33

I feel this ones going to be a long post so thanks if you make it to the end.

Basically I’m having huge issues with the way I’m feeling towards my in-laws, particularly my mil. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years+ and I’ve always found her behaviour weird and challenging but I’ve pushed these feeling to one side and tried to get on with it to some extent. It’s always so tense when they come to stay and my Dh and I seem to argue in the lead up to them coming. For years my husband has inferred the issue is mine, that I’m being judgemental or bitchy or that it’s just run of the mill dil/mil tension. He’s accused me of trying to sabotage his relationship with them, (they’ve never been close but he has 3 older sisters who all seem close to each other and their parents).

Her behaviour towards me has always been, IMO very passive aggressive and I feel their whole family dynamic is toxic. Over the last couple of years I’ve come to the point where I’ve had enough and I really don’t want to spend time with them at all. My husband has been having therapy bc he really struggling with his self esteem and he feels as though he has never really had any connection with his family.

Some examples of her behaviour are:

She monopolises very conversation and has to be the centre of attention regardless of the situation. Everything is worse for her, she talks constantly about herself until everybody loses the will to live.
She seems to completely lack empathy while simultaneously feeling constantly sorry for herself.
She has a huge range of mystery illnesses, mainly food allergy related. She has a long list of foods that she can’t eat, I always try to make a meal that takes these into account but often she will find something within the ingredients that she now can’t eat. She’ll then risk eating what I’ve made only to spend the rest of the evening telling my fil in stages whispers that she now has a headache or some such symptom triggered by what she’s eaten. Conversely if we go to one of my sil houses she eat a spoonful of trifle or something containing all the foods she can’t eat and seemingly be fine.
She’s constantly telling me how small/thin/petite she is and how the socks/cardigan etc I’ve lent her are far too big.
She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.
My pil are very religious while I am an atheist. They take every opportunity to get my children on their own and insist that god does exist and not to let anyone tell them otherwise. She prays with them when she goes in to say goodnight and tells my children not to tell mummy. When I confronted her about this she tried to tell me they’d asked her to which is laughable.
She has never paid me any kind of compliment about anything.
She insists that my dh has a degree in micro biology when he in fact just has a biology degree. Despite both me and my dh correcting her she still insists she is right and we are wrong- it’s really quite surreal.
She refuses to acknowledge who my sister is and when I refer to her by name she says who’s x despite having met her numerous times.
She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.
She doesn’t invite us to family events and then shares photos on the family WhatsApp. When we question why we weren’t invited she just dismisses it and then she always says things like, what a shame you couldn’t come. Even when I say the reason we didn’t come was that we didn’t know it was happening she won’t acknowledge we weren’t invited.
If anyone challenges her behaviour she sulks or storms off crying and then spends ages acting wounded and saying how she never meant to upset anyone and how unwelcome she now feels.
She’s always anxious around the children telling them to be careful and stepping in when I don’t react and then telling me horrific stories of how she knows of a baby that cracked his head open and died standing up in his high chair or a child that toppled over a wall and was killed or similar so that I feel compelled to react.
She drains my energy- she’s like a leech that latches onto me looking for constant sympathy, reassurance, endless conversations about her...
The list goes on- I could write for days about her!

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

My husband is starting to realise (through a combination of therapy and me trying to set to some boundaries) that this isn’t normal and he’s started to call her out on some of her more unreasonable behaviour. This seems to have made her even more hostile and passive aggressive towards me and weirdly sycophantic towards him. She’s incredibly controlling manipulative.

What should I do?!

OP posts:
Slumcat · 26/08/2020 21:48

Sounds like my MIL, I went NC with her I’ve had two blissful years, I’d throughly recommend.

hungrywalrus · 26/08/2020 21:57

For starters, take a biiiiiig step back. Disengage and do the barest minimum. You’ve made an effort over many years and you have many reasons to no longer want to continue. She won’t change, so instead change how you deal with it. Which could be not dealing with it as an alternative approach.

PileofToss · 26/08/2020 21:58

I’d suggest DH sees her without you. If he wants a relationship that’s absolutely fine but there’s no need for you (or DC) to be dragged into it.

She sounds like a nightmare!

1Morewineplease · 26/08/2020 21:58

Maybe she has an anxiety disorder?
My MIL was a a bit like this... she was eventually diagnosed and given appropriate medications.
I appreciate that this won’t help you but it might help to see things from her perspective a bit more.

The religious nonsense, though, is a no no.
You’ll need to stamp on that one.
If she is catholic then guilt and obeyance will be at the forefront of her mind all the time.

I don’t envy you but at least your husband is trying to come to terms with his self esteem ( which makes me think Catholicism is the religion here.)

Good luck OP.

Nightmareinlaws · 26/08/2020 22:09

They’re Baptist’s but they’re pretty devout. She once spent all Easter Sunday telling my then 4yo how all babies are born evil and how Jesus died for our sins bc he asked why that man was up there on that cross on a walk. I was livid but for some reason I didn’t say anything- nobody ever questions her.

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GeorgiaGirl52 · 26/08/2020 22:12

Every time she makes an incorrect statement, such as "who is your sister?" or "My DS has a microbiology degree." or "We invited you to the family get together and you didn't come." Look at her concernedly and say "MIL, dear, I am worried about you. You seem to be forgetting more and more basic things. You should make an appointment with your doctor and talk to him about memory loss." Try saying this in front of FIL and any other witnesses.

JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth · 26/08/2020 22:12

She's the worst. I'd have nothing to do with her

GeorgiaGirl52 · 26/08/2020 22:16

FYI Not all Baptists believe babies are born evil. Some segments believe children are born innocent and until they understand the difference between good and evil they cannot be evil. Please don't taint all of us with your MIL's zealotry.

Livelovebehappy · 26/08/2020 22:22

Fine for you to step back from engaging with her further and go low contact, but it would be good for your DH to maintain and work on his relationship with her. She’s his mum, always will be, and her behaviour, although not great, doesn’t warrant your DH cutting her out of his life. You must do what’s right for you, but let your dh do what’s right for him.

LaurieFairyCake · 26/08/2020 22:23

Don't cook for her - get DH to do it

Don't lend her socks/cardigan - say "No they're all too big for you"

Don't see her - go out when she comes, have a pint in the pub/go to Costa/the cinema

Don't let her pull you up on your 'cleaning' - just say Dh does the cleaning

If she talks about herself read a book/play on your phone

She's NEVER going to get better and unless you're REALLY lucky her sort live til
Their 100 so just develop an alcohol problem Thanks

LittleRed53 · 26/08/2020 22:27

She's definitely manipulative. I'd want a big step back. But if DH isn't on board with that, I wouldn't send him to visits with her alone- too much opportunity for her to start drip feeding him negativity about you, trying to push in further the wedge she's already put between you.

You said your DH is starting to wise up- that's great, it is a really, really difficult process to realise your parent or parents have been manipulative or emotionally abusive. You need to let him progress through that in his own time- be supportive and always ready to listen, but I wouldn't try to push him to condemn her or her behaviour before he's ready, or it risks putting you in the position of the critical and manipulative one, trying to make him critical of his mum, IYSWIM.

I don't think there's an overnight fix for this, you need to be patient while DH sorts through it in his own mind. I don't mean you have to pander to her, though. Just fix boundaries as a team, or it'll only cause issues between the two of you.

She does sound like a nightmare. Hang in there Flowers

Nanny0gg · 26/08/2020 22:28

Avoid her. She adds nothing to you or your children's lives.

Support your husband in doing the same.

I'm a grandparent. Families can survive without us. And if we can't enhance each others' lives we don't belong in them.

Spiderseason · 26/08/2020 22:29

Op society is cruel and we feel pressure to be nice, to keep relations going for the sake of peace.... But not our peace.
It's simply not a condition of marriage or having children with someone that being treated like shit is part of the contract.

It's so liberating when you can say... No more. Whether the dc see them is down to how disrespectful and cruel they are.

Spiderseason · 26/08/2020 22:30

Nanny, that's the key isn't it.. '' enhance '' lives.

My own pils would argue they enhance dds life becsuse they love themselves!!

Aquamarine1029 · 26/08/2020 22:32

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

You shouldn't put up with them at all. You should tell your husband very clearly that you will no longer be seeing your in-laws, however he is welcome to. Tell him you have had all you can take, and your involvement with them is over. Let him manage his own relationship with them and stay out of it.

Anordinarymum · 26/08/2020 22:37

@Nightmareinlaws

I feel this ones going to be a long post so thanks if you make it to the end.

Basically I’m having huge issues with the way I’m feeling towards my in-laws, particularly my mil. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years+ and I’ve always found her behaviour weird and challenging but I’ve pushed these feeling to one side and tried to get on with it to some extent. It’s always so tense when they come to stay and my Dh and I seem to argue in the lead up to them coming. For years my husband has inferred the issue is mine, that I’m being judgemental or bitchy or that it’s just run of the mill dil/mil tension. He’s accused me of trying to sabotage his relationship with them, (they’ve never been close but he has 3 older sisters who all seem close to each other and their parents).

Her behaviour towards me has always been, IMO very passive aggressive and I feel their whole family dynamic is toxic. Over the last couple of years I’ve come to the point where I’ve had enough and I really don’t want to spend time with them at all. My husband has been having therapy bc he really struggling with his self esteem and he feels as though he has never really had any connection with his family.

Some examples of her behaviour are:

She monopolises very conversation and has to be the centre of attention regardless of the situation. Everything is worse for her, she talks constantly about herself until everybody loses the will to live.
She seems to completely lack empathy while simultaneously feeling constantly sorry for herself.
She has a huge range of mystery illnesses, mainly food allergy related. She has a long list of foods that she can’t eat, I always try to make a meal that takes these into account but often she will find something within the ingredients that she now can’t eat. She’ll then risk eating what I’ve made only to spend the rest of the evening telling my fil in stages whispers that she now has a headache or some such symptom triggered by what she’s eaten. Conversely if we go to one of my sil houses she eat a spoonful of trifle or something containing all the foods she can’t eat and seemingly be fine.
She’s constantly telling me how small/thin/petite she is and how the socks/cardigan etc I’ve lent her are far too big.
She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.
My pil are very religious while I am an atheist. They take every opportunity to get my children on their own and insist that god does exist and not to let anyone tell them otherwise. She prays with them when she goes in to say goodnight and tells my children not to tell mummy. When I confronted her about this she tried to tell me they’d asked her to which is laughable.
She has never paid me any kind of compliment about anything.
She insists that my dh has a degree in micro biology when he in fact just has a biology degree. Despite both me and my dh correcting her she still insists she is right and we are wrong- it’s really quite surreal.
She refuses to acknowledge who my sister is and when I refer to her by name she says who’s x despite having met her numerous times.
She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.
She doesn’t invite us to family events and then shares photos on the family WhatsApp. When we question why we weren’t invited she just dismisses it and then she always says things like, what a shame you couldn’t come. Even when I say the reason we didn’t come was that we didn’t know it was happening she won’t acknowledge we weren’t invited.
If anyone challenges her behaviour she sulks or storms off crying and then spends ages acting wounded and saying how she never meant to upset anyone and how unwelcome she now feels.
She’s always anxious around the children telling them to be careful and stepping in when I don’t react and then telling me horrific stories of how she knows of a baby that cracked his head open and died standing up in his high chair or a child that toppled over a wall and was killed or similar so that I feel compelled to react.
She drains my energy- she’s like a leech that latches onto me looking for constant sympathy, reassurance, endless conversations about her...
The list goes on- I could write for days about her!

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

My husband is starting to realise (through a combination of therapy and me trying to set to some boundaries) that this isn’t normal and he’s started to call her out on some of her more unreasonable behaviour. This seems to have made her even more hostile and passive aggressive towards me and weirdly sycophantic towards him. She’s incredibly controlling manipulative.

What should I do?!

The question is what do you want from this situation? I mean - do you want to cut them off? If you cut her off you cut the rest of them off no?

Have you tried talking to her daughters about it? Let them tell you what they think.
I feel for you, but she is only a tiny part of your life and if she is so bad ( and it sounds bad) then surely others witness this and know what she is like ?

HeronLanyon · 26/08/2020 22:39

Good lord. I started thinking ok then it got a bit funny (crazy funny) then Outrageous (pushing religion like that) then surreal (the degree!) then troubling.
Surely she is mentally unwell ? This isn’t just not normal it’s unwell. I feel rather sorry for her and think she needs some help.
Sorry you are having to deal with it.

ErinBrockovich · 26/08/2020 22:40

My mil went through a period of being like this towards me.
I’d ask what was for lunch and she’d reply ‘food’ and the start laughing.
I’d remind her of something and she’d say we’d never told her about it.
She loves to challenge. So I could say it looks like it’s going to rain later and she’ll argue that it definitely won’t. Adding all the reasons why she knows this for sure.
She even corrects my grammar mid way through a conversation.

So I stopped going to see her.
DH went and took the kids.
I stopped sending her photos of the kids. Stopped making any effort.
I left b day, Xmas gifts and Mother’s Day to DH.

Now she’s much nicer to me. Yes it’s through gritted teeth but it’s more bearable. My advice? Retreat as much as you are able.

It’ll do you the world of good and it might make her focus her attention elsewhere.

just5morepeas · 26/08/2020 22:43

I'm not sure what you can do long term but I wouldn't have her stay over in my house and I'd try and avoid having her round at all if I could manage it. Going out to restaurants etc, would mean you're on more neutral ground and have a definite end point to the meet up. Maybe have a ready excuse for leaving at a certain time - you're going somewhere later, early morning tomorrow, etc.

But I agree with the person who said they wouldn't leave your dh alone with her too much. I'd be tempted to call her out whenever she comes out with a provable lie. Not in a nasty way, just matter of fact. I like the suggestion of acting worried that she might be suffering from memory loss!

Bettysprocker · 26/08/2020 22:51

I could have written this. For the first twenty years I tried. Now I don't give a shit. I don't answer the phone or messages and leave it to DH to contact her back. DH's sisters are her flying monkeys when she can't manipulate DH. Comments about not being invited to our home for meals and how she's seen friends of mine socialising in our garden (on social media. She weirdly added all my friends. I din't post often) and why were they're invited (one friend is in her 60s) and not her. I simply say to DH if you want her here invite her and cook you're welcome and that I never noticed her being invited when my BILs socialise. I put up with years of not just passive aggressive behaviour but blatant put downs qnd gifts intended to humiliate and hurt. I used to do so much for her despite it all but now I do absolutely nothing and DH visits her alone. She only has herself to blame.
My son has a partner of seven years and I use MIL as an example of how not to behave. I suppose I should be grateful for that.

Bamboo15 · 26/08/2020 22:53

I would honestly really step back, it’s very sensible to set boundaries but she has not / will not respect them.

Let DH see her on his own if he wants but say for your well-being after years of trying to be respectful you feel like you have done everything you can to make the relationship work, for him and for the children but it’s now enough.

It’s up to him if then If he speaks to her along the lines of HER stepping back or loosing the relationship with you and the children. I think the key thing here is being calm, (you 100% come across as that) and make sure DH understands this is not a reaction to one event, but and overall lack of boundaries over the years that make an ongoing relationship untenable.

There are some real oversteps here that aren’t ok, and justify you politely removing yourself from this situation.

PhoebeSnow · 26/08/2020 22:55

You have my sympathy op, I have the same issues with my “ outlaw”
I go Grey rock when she is around, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

Purpleice · 26/08/2020 23:00

Low contact. Meet on neutral territory where you aren’t all just sitting around talking - going out to do something is always better - like visiting a garden. A complete withdrawal if necessary.

LoveSummerNotIcecream · 26/08/2020 23:03

You can’t reason with crazy. So don’t even try. Leave your DH to it. Google FOG and try the grey Rick technique. Disengage with her as much as possible. And keep your children away from her.

LoveSummerNotIcecream · 26/08/2020 23:04
  • Grey rock.