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Help, my MIL is unbearable!

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Nightmareinlaws · 26/08/2020 21:33

I feel this ones going to be a long post so thanks if you make it to the end.

Basically I’m having huge issues with the way I’m feeling towards my in-laws, particularly my mil. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years+ and I’ve always found her behaviour weird and challenging but I’ve pushed these feeling to one side and tried to get on with it to some extent. It’s always so tense when they come to stay and my Dh and I seem to argue in the lead up to them coming. For years my husband has inferred the issue is mine, that I’m being judgemental or bitchy or that it’s just run of the mill dil/mil tension. He’s accused me of trying to sabotage his relationship with them, (they’ve never been close but he has 3 older sisters who all seem close to each other and their parents).

Her behaviour towards me has always been, IMO very passive aggressive and I feel their whole family dynamic is toxic. Over the last couple of years I’ve come to the point where I’ve had enough and I really don’t want to spend time with them at all. My husband has been having therapy bc he really struggling with his self esteem and he feels as though he has never really had any connection with his family.

Some examples of her behaviour are:

She monopolises very conversation and has to be the centre of attention regardless of the situation. Everything is worse for her, she talks constantly about herself until everybody loses the will to live.
She seems to completely lack empathy while simultaneously feeling constantly sorry for herself.
She has a huge range of mystery illnesses, mainly food allergy related. She has a long list of foods that she can’t eat, I always try to make a meal that takes these into account but often she will find something within the ingredients that she now can’t eat. She’ll then risk eating what I’ve made only to spend the rest of the evening telling my fil in stages whispers that she now has a headache or some such symptom triggered by what she’s eaten. Conversely if we go to one of my sil houses she eat a spoonful of trifle or something containing all the foods she can’t eat and seemingly be fine.
She’s constantly telling me how small/thin/petite she is and how the socks/cardigan etc I’ve lent her are far too big.
She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.
My pil are very religious while I am an atheist. They take every opportunity to get my children on their own and insist that god does exist and not to let anyone tell them otherwise. She prays with them when she goes in to say goodnight and tells my children not to tell mummy. When I confronted her about this she tried to tell me they’d asked her to which is laughable.
She has never paid me any kind of compliment about anything.
She insists that my dh has a degree in micro biology when he in fact just has a biology degree. Despite both me and my dh correcting her she still insists she is right and we are wrong- it’s really quite surreal.
She refuses to acknowledge who my sister is and when I refer to her by name she says who’s x despite having met her numerous times.
She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.
She doesn’t invite us to family events and then shares photos on the family WhatsApp. When we question why we weren’t invited she just dismisses it and then she always says things like, what a shame you couldn’t come. Even when I say the reason we didn’t come was that we didn’t know it was happening she won’t acknowledge we weren’t invited.
If anyone challenges her behaviour she sulks or storms off crying and then spends ages acting wounded and saying how she never meant to upset anyone and how unwelcome she now feels.
She’s always anxious around the children telling them to be careful and stepping in when I don’t react and then telling me horrific stories of how she knows of a baby that cracked his head open and died standing up in his high chair or a child that toppled over a wall and was killed or similar so that I feel compelled to react.
She drains my energy- she’s like a leech that latches onto me looking for constant sympathy, reassurance, endless conversations about her...
The list goes on- I could write for days about her!

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

My husband is starting to realise (through a combination of therapy and me trying to set to some boundaries) that this isn’t normal and he’s started to call her out on some of her more unreasonable behaviour. This seems to have made her even more hostile and passive aggressive towards me and weirdly sycophantic towards him. She’s incredibly controlling manipulative.

What should I do?!

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Bbq1 · 27/08/2020 09:19

@1more wine
You may not be religious or have a faith but don't call haveing a religious belief "nonsense" just because you don't subscribe. Likewise, not all Catholics feel a sense of guilt, are compelled to "obey" and have low self esteem. It's ridiculous and wrong to even suggest that.

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:26

NC is very tempting but it would mean totally cutting off the siblings too. One sister is difficult- sticks up a lot for the parents- wants everything her own way and won’t take no for an answer but the other 2 are lovely.
They have once or twice touched on how difficult she is and how their childhood was tough, etc but they all revert to a ‘but it’s not her fault, she means well, you know what they’re like etc’ narrative and so it makes me feel like a bitch.
My MIL has this sort of learned feebleness which she pulls out of the bag whenever she feels threatened or is not getting enough attention and the whole family rallies round to bolster her self esteem while she laps it up. I genuinely think she has some MH issues but it’s difficult to feel sorry for her when she’s so manipulative.
Ironically the rest of the family is very close. They socialise all together regularly, even my sil in laws are there. My in laws have never been invited to anything. If we host Christmas or a birthday or whatever we’d be expected to include two sets of bil parents despite a having a fairly small house.
It’s weird- it makes me feel like I’m the only one who has a problem with them....

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Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:27

Nobody was saying that- this is completely OT

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Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:28

@Nightmareinlaws

Nobody was saying that- this is completely OT
I was replying to Bbq1
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Appuskidu · 27/08/2020 09:29

Funnily enough they’ve just text dh suggesting they come to stay (we haven’t seen them since lockdown and they so rarely instigate any contact). I’ve said dh should take kids and meet half way as the summer hols are running out. I’m not going

Is your DH on board with that-has he replied to them?

Bbq1 · 27/08/2020 09:34

Actually, that was what was said..
OTT? All I did was repeat what @1 more wine said and say I was offended by the description of Catholics.

Babdoc · 27/08/2020 09:39

This absolutely screams narcissistic personality disorder. There is no treatment and she will never improve. You cannot change her, you can only change your response to her.
Decide whether you want low contact or no contact. Stick to it.
Then you need to tackle DH. He has suffered this appalling woman for his entire childhood and will be very damaged by it. He needs a good therapist to work through it with him, and enable him to break free from the fear, obligation and guilt she has imposed.
On a separate issue - as an atheist you cannot prove the non existence of God. You can only say that you personally don’t believe in Him. That is just as much a faith based position as religion is.
I, along with millions of Christians over 2,000 years and across the globe, have had personal encounters with the presence of God. Mine was life changing, and converted me from atheism to Christianity.
I hope that you allow your DC to make up their own minds, rather than indoctrinate them with atheism. They are currently missing out on a source of love, strength and comfort that could help them throughout their lives and beyond.

Thehop · 27/08/2020 09:42

@Nightmareinlaws I described religion/science to my children using socks. I said “when you put a sock on and it feels warm and comfortable you know it’s because it’s clean and dry so it feels good. When you put a snuggly sock on and feel hmmmmmmmmm and snuggly? That’s religion” I’m atheist but spiritual, they’re at cofe school and my dads family are Irish catholic so we talk about it a lot!

MusicWithRocksIn1t · 27/08/2020 09:44

Definitely take a big step back. Try to build.strong bridges with with SIL's who are nice so your DH isn't feeling totally cut off and make sure you enter casual every time you arent invited to something.
My MIL can be quite manipulative but fortunately DH isn't her biggest fan anyway so will normally help me keep up the boundaries we need to be comfortable having her around my DC/DSC.
Oe of her favourite tricks is to say she doesnt like girls to me and my DD and she has always been rather horrible to the eldest DSC. Comparing him to her youngest DS who is about the same age, and finding him lacking even though he is a great kid and her DS is a bit of a spoilt bully.
Taking a huge step back and massivly limiting contact has almost completely stopped this.
We confronted her straight up and called her out on every single comment to begin with but she just brushed it off as me over reacting even when it was DH called her out.
She will ever be left alone with any of the DC again though.

GarlicMcAtackney · 27/08/2020 09:46

You’re giving her far too much of your life and headspace, look how much time you’ve spent here typing out stuff about a tedious woman, just opt out and enjoy your life. Your husband can see her whenever he wants, it’s only a big deal if you allow it to be.

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:50

@Bbq1

Actually, that was what was said.. OTT? All I did was repeat what *@1* more wine said and say I was offended by the description of Catholics.
I meant Off Topic not over the top. I don’t have issues with my MIL bc she’s religious per se, it’s the way in which she tries to sneak it into things. She used to insist on saying grace at the table before each meal at my house for example. I don’t care if she wants to do that but I’m not joining in and I’m not asking my kids to either bc I think it would be disingenuous. She’s realised she’s not going to covert me and so she talks about god to my kids when I’m not there. My kids are kids, they probably don’t know what they believe about religion yet and I’m fine with that. I just give atheism equal weight to all other religions, they’ll decide as the grow and if they choose to believe in god that’s fine but I want that decision to come from them-I don’t want anyone telling them one thing is truth. I recognise that Christians feel offended when people don’t respect their faith but as an atheist I also feel that offended when Christians don’t respect my lack of faith...
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ElsieMc · 27/08/2020 10:18

I have not spoken to my MIL/SIL for 25 years. My dh sees them occasionally but finds them both difficult.

I got the full blame and she told everyone in her usual attempts to get sympathy. Yet her son in law also has nothing to do with her.

I had all the passive aggressive stuff. Saying she would do something, then tell me she had said no such thing. Told my dh she would buy us a hoover as a wedding present, then humiliating him in front of family saying she said no such thing. Knows I cannot eat peanuts, so bought me peanut toffees and told me I needed to spit the peanuts out.

All pathetic things, but the final straw was her starting on dd2. She ignored her birth and said she just wanted to see my eldest dd. Just no, no, no. Both DH and I had let her get away so much she decided to move to her next victim.

You need to go n/c. Do not let her stay at your home. If your dh wants to visit, then so be it. You have served your sentence of 20 years. She will never change.

Winter2019 · 27/08/2020 11:07

Wow, you are a better person than me 🤣 because I would've gone NC looooong time ago after, of course, telling her exactly what I think of her and also no way my children would be exposed to such shit. And if it's all true what you've said and your husband is coming round only now, I'd wonder if I don't have a husband problem too

CSIblonde · 27/08/2020 11:28

Put some distance in. Only meet on neutral territory,for lunch,then it's over in 2hours. She won't change ,so minimising contact will make you feel more in control & lessen the pain. At least your DH has seen the light which is a bonus .

Rumbletumbleinmytummy · 27/08/2020 11:55

Fucking hell. Thats intense.
I'd start by putting into conversation that now children are being taught to not have secrets from their parents with other adults, which is a really great thing to avoid abuse. Just subtly so she knows your children will not be keeping any secrets from you.

Try to not have her in your home. Go to hers, then you can leave whenever you want.
If she's coming to you be out when she arrives, let DH cook.
Busy yourself.
Always have plans for later so she doesn't stay too long.
Always be impeccably polite. Don't give her anything to use against you. She sounds like a professional victim.

Low contact

Waveysnail · 27/08/2020 12:36

I'd go stay in travel lodge near them for few days. Dh can take kids to see them, you can have some peace. Win win. Pre-emptive strike so they never stay at yours again

Ohtherewearethen · 27/08/2020 12:56

@Babdoc - I really don't think this is the time nor the place for you to try to evangelize. You've chosen to take comfort in Christianity, OP has chosen not to. You're using quite negative language and suggesting OP is 'indoctrinating' her children with atheism. Some may argue that that is what millions of Christian parents do to their children. Your post has really annoyed me. Religion means different things to different people and you need to respect that.

Paintedmaypole · 27/08/2020 14:09

I don't think Babdoc was attempting to evangelise, just reacting to the very dismissive tone some posters have taken when referring to spiritual faith. I think the MIL is very unreasonable to try to influence the children behind OP's back though. She would do better to show her faith through her actions which seems to be lacking. I wouldn't make a drama of it but I would definitely distance myself from her.

Geppili · 27/08/2020 15:29

She sounds like a malignant covert narcissist. Emotionally very dangerous. I would gradually lessen contact. Do not let her be alone with your DC. To her they are just a means to an end. She wants to scapegoat you. Protect yourself.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 27/08/2020 17:34

@GeorgiaGirl52

Every time she makes an incorrect statement, such as "who is your sister?" or "My DS has a microbiology degree." or "We invited you to the family get together and you didn't come." Look at her concernedly and say "MIL, dear, I am worried about you. You seem to be forgetting more and more basic things. You should make an appointment with your doctor and talk to him about memory loss." Try saying this in front of FIL and any other witnesses.
Ohtherewearethen You apparently missed my message directly above the one you snarked about. Perhaps a visit to an optician would be in order?
whatscrackinmypeppers · 27/08/2020 17:40

@Paintedmaypole

I don't think Babdoc was attempting to evangelise, just reacting to the very dismissive tone some posters have taken when referring to spiritual faith. I think the MIL is very unreasonable to try to influence the children behind OP's back though. She would do better to show her faith through her actions which seems to be lacking. I wouldn't make a drama of it but I would definitely distance myself from her.
Babdoc will evangelise at any opportunity.

I hope that you allow your DC to make up their own minds, rather than indoctrinate them with atheism.

I see nothing to suggest that OP is trying to 'indoctrinate them with atheism'. Hmm. Rather, it is the MIL who is doing the indoctrinating.

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 22:47

The religion part of it isn’t really relevant, it’s the fact that she’s undermining me by telling my kids that god is real and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I think if the situation was reversed and we were religious and she told them there is no god and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, I’d feel the same...It’s very underhand.
And for the record, I’m definitely not indoctrinating anyone into atheism!

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