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Help, my MIL is unbearable!

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Nightmareinlaws · 26/08/2020 21:33

I feel this ones going to be a long post so thanks if you make it to the end.

Basically I’m having huge issues with the way I’m feeling towards my in-laws, particularly my mil. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years+ and I’ve always found her behaviour weird and challenging but I’ve pushed these feeling to one side and tried to get on with it to some extent. It’s always so tense when they come to stay and my Dh and I seem to argue in the lead up to them coming. For years my husband has inferred the issue is mine, that I’m being judgemental or bitchy or that it’s just run of the mill dil/mil tension. He’s accused me of trying to sabotage his relationship with them, (they’ve never been close but he has 3 older sisters who all seem close to each other and their parents).

Her behaviour towards me has always been, IMO very passive aggressive and I feel their whole family dynamic is toxic. Over the last couple of years I’ve come to the point where I’ve had enough and I really don’t want to spend time with them at all. My husband has been having therapy bc he really struggling with his self esteem and he feels as though he has never really had any connection with his family.

Some examples of her behaviour are:

She monopolises very conversation and has to be the centre of attention regardless of the situation. Everything is worse for her, she talks constantly about herself until everybody loses the will to live.
She seems to completely lack empathy while simultaneously feeling constantly sorry for herself.
She has a huge range of mystery illnesses, mainly food allergy related. She has a long list of foods that she can’t eat, I always try to make a meal that takes these into account but often she will find something within the ingredients that she now can’t eat. She’ll then risk eating what I’ve made only to spend the rest of the evening telling my fil in stages whispers that she now has a headache or some such symptom triggered by what she’s eaten. Conversely if we go to one of my sil houses she eat a spoonful of trifle or something containing all the foods she can’t eat and seemingly be fine.
She’s constantly telling me how small/thin/petite she is and how the socks/cardigan etc I’ve lent her are far too big.
She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.
My pil are very religious while I am an atheist. They take every opportunity to get my children on their own and insist that god does exist and not to let anyone tell them otherwise. She prays with them when she goes in to say goodnight and tells my children not to tell mummy. When I confronted her about this she tried to tell me they’d asked her to which is laughable.
She has never paid me any kind of compliment about anything.
She insists that my dh has a degree in micro biology when he in fact just has a biology degree. Despite both me and my dh correcting her she still insists she is right and we are wrong- it’s really quite surreal.
She refuses to acknowledge who my sister is and when I refer to her by name she says who’s x despite having met her numerous times.
She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.
She doesn’t invite us to family events and then shares photos on the family WhatsApp. When we question why we weren’t invited she just dismisses it and then she always says things like, what a shame you couldn’t come. Even when I say the reason we didn’t come was that we didn’t know it was happening she won’t acknowledge we weren’t invited.
If anyone challenges her behaviour she sulks or storms off crying and then spends ages acting wounded and saying how she never meant to upset anyone and how unwelcome she now feels.
She’s always anxious around the children telling them to be careful and stepping in when I don’t react and then telling me horrific stories of how she knows of a baby that cracked his head open and died standing up in his high chair or a child that toppled over a wall and was killed or similar so that I feel compelled to react.
She drains my energy- she’s like a leech that latches onto me looking for constant sympathy, reassurance, endless conversations about her...
The list goes on- I could write for days about her!

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

My husband is starting to realise (through a combination of therapy and me trying to set to some boundaries) that this isn’t normal and he’s started to call her out on some of her more unreasonable behaviour. This seems to have made her even more hostile and passive aggressive towards me and weirdly sycophantic towards him. She’s incredibly controlling manipulative.

What should I do?!

OP posts:
peachgreen · 26/08/2020 23:06

Barring a few details I'd think you were my SIL because this is my mum to a T. Sympathies OP. It's pretty hard to live with.

JKRisaqueen · 26/08/2020 23:14

Just remember that she kept the black bits from the oven on a plate for you. Keep that front and centre in your mind whenever you're in her company and you won't go far wrong

Cattenberg · 26/08/2020 23:15

She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.

Could you pretend you didn’t catch what she said? If she repeats it, she can hardly pretend it was an innocent slip.

But I’d go low contact as well.

kaykkies · 26/08/2020 23:20

I got angry reading this lol!

TIP for toxic people: reply 'what do you mean by this/that?' - Everyone's attention is brought to her reply. It highlights whatever she's said in a non aggressive way. She will either be forced to explain her toxic self in front of an audience.

I am the daughter to a similar person id say your husband knows rightly what she is like

pallisers · 26/08/2020 23:22

She is certainly a dose. I bet your husbands brothers in law (the ones married to his sisters) aren't as close as their wives are to the in laws. I bet they could tell a story or two too.

Funnily enough of all the things you said this one would have finished me

She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.

like nasty and batshit all at the same time. I'd go very low contact. I'd stop asking about the family get togethers - let her off. I'd start inviting SILs and their families (if you want to) to come over/meet up without the PILs.

Hedgehog44 · 26/08/2020 23:24

I think divorce is the answer. It worked for me. Ex-DH is much nicer now I don't have to speak to his mum!

ithinkiveseenthisfilmbefore · 26/08/2020 23:29

Well, I wouldn't be putting up with any of that nonsense.

Tell your DH he can see her alone, but you're done. And suggest he go LC or NC himself. And keep up any counselling you can find for him.

Toxic as hell!

TempestHayes · 26/08/2020 23:37

I genuinely have no contact at all with my MIL and I am glad I don't have weird MIL drama. Like, it's someone else's mum. I never "made contact" or rang her up or invited my boyfriend's mum around to take charge of my life or nitpick my home or whatever.

Anyway all I'm saying is you literally don't have to have contact with this person. Do not do family Whatsapps. Don't ring her, don't pick up when she rings you. Ignore emails. It's a shame you can't get the DH on side about the god-bothering, but it might just have to be his problem - he takes the kids to Gran'ma's, he brings 'em home, he deals with whatever nagging has to take place. She's coming to yours? Go out. She can whine about the contents of the oven to your DH.

His mother, his problem.

Iverunoutofnames · 26/08/2020 23:39

So much of what you write is familiar. There was a term on here I read called ‘martyr syndrome’ which described mine. She wanted everyone to be sorry for her all the time about everything. It was exhausting.
My MIL tried to be controlling (she wasn’t very successful, I generally won’t do what I am told) and made constant comments about everything, including very personal and nasty ones. It’s hard to describe how exhausting she was.

I went grey rock, took no interest, had no conversation. I stopped making a lot of effort and certainly stopped facilitating visits (I don’t think anyone realised even when DH went alone, i usually organised or suggested it).
It made no difference, I saw her less though!

DancingCatGif · 26/08/2020 23:41

Sounds like my MIL. I have a baby and I was discussing losing weight with her. She said "you don't need to lose weight, how much do you weigh?" I told her and she said she was about a stone lighter.

BECAUSE YOU ARE ABOUT HALF A FOOT SHORTER THAN ME. And I have just had a BABY.

The religion stuff too drives me crazy. That one she can absolutely get to fuck on. Nothing against religion but she is so pushy about it.

AppleKatie · 26/08/2020 23:47

If you can manage it I would disengage and laugh at her.

‘Oh, mil are you saying I’m fat? honestly if I had a thing skin I might have taken offence at that’

‘Oh you are funny, X is my sister- surely you must remember!? Lovely girl, really likes you?’ Big grin.

Take the wind out of her sails. Some people can’t be bullied and manipulated be like that!

Otherwise NC is the way to go obviously- but I reckon my way would drive her mad which might be more satisfying.

forrestgreen · 26/08/2020 23:55

Don't cook for her, or serve up chicken and veg
Don't answer her calls or texts
Don't arrange a meet up
Don't ask them to baby sit
Don't go round
Don't discuss religion, if she starts, end her conversation with "some people choose to believe in god but I don't" and swiftly change convo or leave the room.

You're putting too much effort and headspace into it.

Ellie56 · 27/08/2020 00:00

God she sounds like hard work. I felt worn out just reading your post.How have you put up with this shit for so long?

I'd be stepping right back as I couldn't be arsed with all her crap. Let your DH keep in contact if he wants and you go NC.

MalingeringMary · 27/08/2020 00:04

I'd get over it if I were you.

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 00:21

I think cutting contact down to the bare minimum and grey rock is the answer. I’m just fed up with it now and I sort of had a bit of an epiphany where I realised I don’t actually need her to like me or rate anything I do. It’s too emotionally draining to deal with her. Funnily enough they’ve just text dh suggesting they come to stay (we haven’t seen them since lockdown and they so rarely instigate any contact). I’ve said dh should take kids and meet half way as the summer hols are running out. I’m not going. It’s difficult to have no contact as then we get guilt tripped by one of the his sisters.

OP posts:
EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 27/08/2020 00:29

go no contact - your partner can do what he likes, but you don't have to suffer.
Do they stay often? Find a convenient airbnb/travelodge/friend with a spare room.

I like the "MIL, dear, I am worried about you. You seem to be forgetting more and more basic things. You should make an appointment with your doctor and talk to him about memory loss." response

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 27/08/2020 00:32

cross posted - good idea getting them all to go elsewhere rather than you camping out to avoid them!
The more you relax into no contact, the sisters attempting to guilt trip you will be less effective.
Enjoy your week of peace and solitude!

ManCubsMama · 27/08/2020 00:40

Use the Medium Chill technique.

Go out when she is around/ comes to stay. Take the children with you, go & do something positive and fun.

Basically f**k her off

simitra · 27/08/2020 00:40

Sounds like the MIL or my ex! I wont say she was entirely responsible for the break up of our marriage but she paid a big part.

The behavior you mention about her various "illnesses" sounds so familiar. While she did have some things genuinely wrong with her she also reveled in the attention of doctors, nurses and family members buzzing about her. Nowadays we would probably say she was borderline munchausen. For example when she had to go into hospital she would sit down by the phone and inform every single member of the family and make sure they knew all about the procedure she had to undergo, etc. If she did not get through she would ring and ring until she did.

Eventually I went low contact. I told my ex I was happy for him to go and see his mother anytime but she was not coming to stay with us, and I would not entertain her. Fortunately the PIL lived at the other end of the country.

I could not have put up with it for any more than the 3 years we were married so I dont know how you have managed 20.

areyoubeingserviced · 27/08/2020 00:49

Your MIL sounds bloody awful
My mil ( now deceased) was just horrid. Too many things to go into
For the first few years I tried to ignore her moaning, constant put downs. I tried to be the ‘bigger person’. I was always polite to her, looked after her when she was ill , treated her like I would my own mother. I hoped that she would change. She didn’t change. So I reduced my contact with her. I didn’t go to her house, didn’t phone her , didn’t send her birthday cards ( which I had always done previously), I cut down on the number of family events I attended .
Basically, I disengaged. I felt so much better

Alongcameacat · 27/08/2020 00:50

I think the answer is to go low/non contact OP.

It’s difficult to have no contact as then we get guilt tripped by one of the his sisters.

I have a manuipulative MIL and when I try to minimise contact, one of DH's sisters always tries to guilt trip him. If one fails, another one tries to do the same. They are a product of their mother for sure though would vehemently reject any idea that they were similar Hmm.

I don't know what you can do about the siblings. I'm still searching for that answer myself.

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 00:55

The sisters will only try to guilt trip you if they know you are going low contact.

To a self absorbed martyr like your MIL someone announcing going no contact is a gift of maximum martyrdom.

Quietly does it. Like suggesting DH meet her halfway with the children. Like when a date is arranged for her to spend the weekend it turns out that you are having a weekend away with one of your friends or need to spend all day out in a garden. You don't say no to her or DH, you just make yourself busy elsewhere for reasons totally unrelated to her. Busy busy busy you are so busy.

As others have said, don't do any shitwork at all around enabling her visits. DH has to organise it all. Act like you can't even remember she's visiting. If sisters moan you palm them off to DH who is in charge of this. Don't meal plan, cook, offer socks, be there at all. Be out.

DH will be low contact with her before long due to the combination of you no longer being a buffer and his therapy.

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 01:02

I trained my children to question religion from a young age (batshit religious family and me.an atheist).

They had conversations with grandma that were quite like the one from Outnumbered. This pleases me. I don't have to worry about her indoctrinating them on the rare occasions she sees them.

Fromthebirdsnest · 27/08/2020 01:06

If you can cut her off if not then pull her up on this if she pushes religion then say we are atheist please stop trying to push your beliefs on our children the clothes you lent are massive ‘Mil can you stop trying to body shame me your embarrassing yourself ‘ the sister and degree ‘mil please stop lieing you sound ridiculous ‘ the cleaning ‘mil is you are that irritated by the level of of cleanliness please feel free to come over and clean my oven ... when I’m not here ‘ it’s a shame you didn’t come “well we weren’t invited mil as you know, please don’t try to lie again you sound ridiculous ‘ honestly if you don’t call people out then they WILL continue my mum used to be awful and really upset me , I have Crohns and as a side effect I’m very slight every time I’d see her she’d tell me I looked drawn and thin (not in a concerned way she was delighted) she’d say my house was dirty (we have a cleaner that comes 3 times a week myself and all my children are allergic to dust our house is never dirty for this reason if anything it’s a bit clinical!) and various other things digs at my husband, digs at anything she could possibly criticize so I started to speak to her in the way I suggested to you and it was liberating honestly and we get on really really well now when we see each other .. which is 3 times a year ... x good luck op put on your big girl pants and let her know that you won’t stand for it x

Yeahnahmum · 27/08/2020 02:36

Go low contact
Stop lending her clothes. Stop cooking for her. Shut her down immediately when she makes shit comments.

But dont complain about not being invited to family events just be happy

Your husband was pretty useless in this whole situation for 2 decades which makes him thr absolute worst. As he basically made all her madness normal and blamed you for many things. . I would have shown him the door many years ago. But good he is trying to change now..
. And teach your kids their is no god but some people believe in such things. I would hate it if someone tried to brainwash my kids into believing such nonsense

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