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Help, my MIL is unbearable!

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Nightmareinlaws · 26/08/2020 21:33

I feel this ones going to be a long post so thanks if you make it to the end.

Basically I’m having huge issues with the way I’m feeling towards my in-laws, particularly my mil. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years+ and I’ve always found her behaviour weird and challenging but I’ve pushed these feeling to one side and tried to get on with it to some extent. It’s always so tense when they come to stay and my Dh and I seem to argue in the lead up to them coming. For years my husband has inferred the issue is mine, that I’m being judgemental or bitchy or that it’s just run of the mill dil/mil tension. He’s accused me of trying to sabotage his relationship with them, (they’ve never been close but he has 3 older sisters who all seem close to each other and their parents).

Her behaviour towards me has always been, IMO very passive aggressive and I feel their whole family dynamic is toxic. Over the last couple of years I’ve come to the point where I’ve had enough and I really don’t want to spend time with them at all. My husband has been having therapy bc he really struggling with his self esteem and he feels as though he has never really had any connection with his family.

Some examples of her behaviour are:

She monopolises very conversation and has to be the centre of attention regardless of the situation. Everything is worse for her, she talks constantly about herself until everybody loses the will to live.
She seems to completely lack empathy while simultaneously feeling constantly sorry for herself.
She has a huge range of mystery illnesses, mainly food allergy related. She has a long list of foods that she can’t eat, I always try to make a meal that takes these into account but often she will find something within the ingredients that she now can’t eat. She’ll then risk eating what I’ve made only to spend the rest of the evening telling my fil in stages whispers that she now has a headache or some such symptom triggered by what she’s eaten. Conversely if we go to one of my sil houses she eat a spoonful of trifle or something containing all the foods she can’t eat and seemingly be fine.
She’s constantly telling me how small/thin/petite she is and how the socks/cardigan etc I’ve lent her are far too big.
She makes constant semi-deliberate faux pas that are quite hurtful and then spends ages back tracking and saying things like oh dear, I really shouldn’t have said that.
My pil are very religious while I am an atheist. They take every opportunity to get my children on their own and insist that god does exist and not to let anyone tell them otherwise. She prays with them when she goes in to say goodnight and tells my children not to tell mummy. When I confronted her about this she tried to tell me they’d asked her to which is laughable.
She has never paid me any kind of compliment about anything.
She insists that my dh has a degree in micro biology when he in fact just has a biology degree. Despite both me and my dh correcting her she still insists she is right and we are wrong- it’s really quite surreal.
She refuses to acknowledge who my sister is and when I refer to her by name she says who’s x despite having met her numerous times.
She’s always making passive aggressive comments about the house and how dirty it is. She once scraped all the black bits off the inside of the oven when she was babysitting and kept it in a plate to show me when we got home.
She doesn’t invite us to family events and then shares photos on the family WhatsApp. When we question why we weren’t invited she just dismisses it and then she always says things like, what a shame you couldn’t come. Even when I say the reason we didn’t come was that we didn’t know it was happening she won’t acknowledge we weren’t invited.
If anyone challenges her behaviour she sulks or storms off crying and then spends ages acting wounded and saying how she never meant to upset anyone and how unwelcome she now feels.
She’s always anxious around the children telling them to be careful and stepping in when I don’t react and then telling me horrific stories of how she knows of a baby that cracked his head open and died standing up in his high chair or a child that toppled over a wall and was killed or similar so that I feel compelled to react.
She drains my energy- she’s like a leech that latches onto me looking for constant sympathy, reassurance, endless conversations about her...
The list goes on- I could write for days about her!

My question is to what extent should I put up with all this for the sake of my husband’s relationship with them? AIBU to suggest we don’t really see them except for the bare minimum?

My husband is starting to realise (through a combination of therapy and me trying to set to some boundaries) that this isn’t normal and he’s started to call her out on some of her more unreasonable behaviour. This seems to have made her even more hostile and passive aggressive towards me and weirdly sycophantic towards him. She’s incredibly controlling manipulative.

What should I do?!

OP posts:
FiddlefigOnTheRoof · 27/08/2020 05:58

Have gone grey rock, and she no longer takes up my mental space unless eg we are visiting. DH is responsible for contact and interactions with the kids, which I encourage and remind. I also do presents, and am as warm as I can muster when we see them.

Enforcing boundaries will always come across as disruptive and rude to these people, and to the affected families. But it’s absolutely essential to my mental health and the state of my marriage.

LilyLongJohn · 27/08/2020 06:11

First thing to know is that's she's never going to change, so if you continue to have a relationship with her, she'll always be like this.

You can take a step back and go out when she's visiting, go and stay with your sister or friends or take the dc to a hotel. If your dh wants a relationship with them that's up to him.

If you'd rather not do that you need to take a step back

Don't cook - go out to eat or your dh cooks
Don't lend her clothes. They are too big for her anyway
Faux concern she's forgetting things like your sister and your dh degree
Repeat back what she says 'so my cooker is dirty?'
Misinterpret what she says
Don't leave the kids alone with her
Go out a lot during her visit

But most of all, take a big step back from her

IdblowJonSnow · 27/08/2020 06:29

Wow OP.she doessound pretty bad. Yanbu.
I'd go as low contact as possible. How long do they visit for?
I'd encourage your DH to come up with some strategies too, no wonder he has self esteem issues, having grown up with this. Genuinely sad. My mum can be very difficult. Its taken decades to learn it's not me, it's her.

How old are your DC? She should not be talking to them about her religious beliefs in that way.

My in laws did the opposite. Told my kids that there is nothing after death from when they were tiny. I'm not really religious, more agnostic I suppose and wanted to raise them with an open mind. I was Shock

Family eh...

sonjadog · 27/08/2020 06:48

My Mother can sometimes do the "pretending to not know" thing. I find what stops it up is doing it back to her. I say I don´t know either. It is all a big mystery. I can see from her reaction that she really wants to tell me, but she can´t as then she would look silly for saying she didn´t know minutes before. I find it stops the nonsense before it really gets going.

Friendsoftheearth · 27/08/2020 06:57

Your problem is not your MIL you can go NC and not have to put up with her anymore, the question is will your dh support you in doing so?

I think you need to lay your cards on the table:

'Dh, over the years I have tried very with your mother, but I have had enough of the stress and upset your she is causing me/us every time we see her. I am very happy for you to continue a relationship with her if you want to, but I will not be seeing her going forward'

Give him some information about narc parents, and distance yourself. You can be polite to her on the odd passing occasion, but no more get togethers, dinner, lending clothes and all the rest. That is what I do in your position, pull back and stop seeing her.

MistressMounthaven · 27/08/2020 07:07

Did you say how often they visit??
I would say it all depends on that.
You aren't going to change her. So no point trying imv.

How old are your DCs -- if she is frightening them with her stories then I would use that as a reason to stop visits or as a threat to stop visits.
If they are old enough to roll their eyes and think Granny's nuts, then just put up with it.
I could put up with a couple of visits a year from someone like this. But not much more.

OliviaBenson · 27/08/2020 07:12

Go out to meet them. She can't have a go at your food or your cleaning etc if she's not at your house. Don't rise to the bait with family meet ups you haven't been invited too. Pretend you don't hear her when she makes rude remarks or just change the subject. Cut off her oxygen source and it will make it more bearable.

Scout2016 · 27/08/2020 07:47

Are there any positives to seeing them? Is FIL nice or ok company? Do your kids like or look forward to seeing them? Does your DH enjoy seeing them at all?
The praying would be the biggest issue for me. That's just another level.
My oven really does need a clean, I'd say send her round but on second thoughts...Wink

Ohtherewearethen · 27/08/2020 07:50

@GeorgiaGirl52 - the only thing you could think of to say after the OP has described the terrible way in which her MIL treats her is that 'not all Baptists are like that'? Let's hope they don't all completely lack empathy like you do eh?

OP, your MIL is ghastly and she knows it. Nothing about the way she behaves towards you is accidental. She knows damn well what she is doing. You could try taking the wind out of her sails by being deliberately obtuse back, misunderstanding her nasty comment so she has to explain it in detail in front of everyone. She will be embarrassing herself, not you. If you don't feel you can do that then just free yourself from her obnoxiousness and completely cut her off. She deserves to face consequences for her beastly behaviour.
I would also go absolutely bananas if she tried to force her religion onto the children too. Teach your children to ask her awkward questions. Make her as uncomfortable around you as she has made you feel around her for the past 20 years.

Thecobwebsarewinning · 27/08/2020 07:51

Go LC. Let your husband and the DH see her and restrict your contact to pleasantries at family events. If she tries to engage you, smile and nod like the Churchill insurance dog and quickly excuse yourself to go to the loo/kitchen/check on the kids. Stop letting her into your head.

And don’t worry about her telling the kids about her religion. It’s one of the major world faiths, they will hear about it sooner or later and it will either resonate with them or they will think it’s batshit crazy. Given that she’s a crazy zealot the second is more likely. I am religious (although not a Crazy Zealot) and my D.C. were raised in our faith, just as your D.C. are being raised atheist. Once they were old enough they made their own minds up and they no longer practice our faith. We can’t force DC to believe what we believe any more than you can force your MIL to behave as you would like her to behave.

Ohtherewearethen · 27/08/2020 07:53

Sorry, pressed too soon. Another way of dealing with her could be, to every unkind thing she says or does, reply, 'now now, is that what Jesus would say? What would your friends at church/the vicar do/say?' She is nasty and needs to own it. Good luck OP! I hope your husband eventually comes out of it too.

Fleamaker123 · 27/08/2020 08:06

I think going NC is going to cause further problems and is very extreme. It sounds like your husband needs your support. It's the way she is, can't change it. Just be in the mindset that's it's her problem. If you're not seeing her regularly I would just let it go to be honest.

nannybeach · 27/08/2020 08:10

No idea what NC means, sounds incredibly like my MILeven down to the twenty years.My DH, thankfully realised what she was like, and he made the choice to have no contact, years ago now ,she was a bully no-one would stand up to her, because she made life awful if you crossed,"upset" her, she has never been upset over anything,angry,yes,bitter,twisted. It did mean his 2 siblings, (who ironically NEVER had a good or nice word to say about her) took sides, yup, hers, the phrase that used to come up regularly in our 20 years married was, "Oh, you musn't upset Mother". My (adult) DKs occasionally see her, and communicate, and I gather she has said she couldn't care less that we don't speak or see her any more. She was always right even when she was wrong. Best thing we ever did.

IntermittentParps · 27/08/2020 08:12

It’s difficult to have no contact as then we get guilt tripped by one of the his sisters.

So block the sisters on your phone and SM and don't see them.

I'd not hesitate to go NC with this woman, if for nothing else than for her trying to get the children on their own and insist that God does exist, and for praying with them when she goes in to say goodnight and telling them not to tell mummy. Any adult doing anything with a child and telling them not to tell mummy should not be permitted to see the child alone IMO.

ivykaty44 · 27/08/2020 08:13

Gosh its a wonder she's still alive with so many illnesses - I bet the doctors are amazed

Nanny likes to tell stories about Jesus just like mummy tells stories about goldilocks, we don't do it in secret though

if you can't bring yourself to say it outlaid say it in your head and smile

Lordamighty · 27/08/2020 08:20

Go low contact but don’t make a big announcement about It, there really is no need. It is relatively easy & you have already made a start by suggesting a meet up half way, rather than them staying with you.
No need for anyone to make it into a bigger drama, although I wouldn’t be able to resist a little dig about seeing a Dr about her memory lapses.

phoenixrosehere · 27/08/2020 08:35

Like others have said, put it on her son to deal with her while you go do something else. No need to say you’re going low contact, just do it.

If she chooses to moan about your house simply say:

Ah, you’re welcome to clean this or that if you like..

Then proceed to show her where the cleaning products are and thank her so much for her help and leave her to it.

If she says something ridiculous, make it out as if she is joking, correct her politely and then move on to a different subject.

You’ve had a DH problem for years so leave him to sort arrangements with them. Let him do the visits with just the kids. For them coming over, definitely agree with meeting halfway or maybe even him and the children going to them if possible and you can have the house to yourself.

BlackWaveComing · 27/08/2020 08:41

Go as close to no contact as you can.

My life improved so much once I mentally divorced my in-laws.

unicornpower · 27/08/2020 08:48

Oh i feel your pain! A lot of what you wrote could be my MIL and it is so so hard. I second what PP have said about mentally divorcing her and leaving all things to your DH- If shes so mean to you there is no need for you to see her, Shes his mum not yours! Could you go out if she comes over or just not go and see her if DH is?

I don't get involved with my MIL as shes always playing DH and his siblings off one another and its tiresome!

Chicchicchicchiclana · 27/08/2020 08:49

@Anordinarymum - there's no need to quote the op's post in full. Everyone will assume you are replying to her. If you want to reply to someone else in the thread you can use their name or tag them.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 27/08/2020 08:56

Op, your mil sounds a real handful and extremely irritating but can you really not handle a couple of visits a year just for the sake of it. She will be well aware that you can't stand her so perhaps that's why you don't get as many group family invitations?

I have family I can only be with for an hour or two at a time before I start to want to go home but can't really see the point in going no-contact with them as it would hurt them terribly and I don't actually hate her or wish bad things for her.

I think it needs to be a whole lot more drastic/severe to justify going no contact.

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:05

Thanks everyone for your responses, it’s really helpful to get other people’s perspectives on things as it’s easy to feel maybe I’m being over sensitive or just not making enough effort.
To answer some of your questions, we don’t actually see them that regularly which is good. They live about 2 hours away and do like to come for 2 nights/3 days minimum which is very intense. We used to live in London pre kids and then they’d come every couple of months and stay for the weekend but it was clear it was just so they could sponge off us and have free accommodation. They’d book tickets to a show- never suggest we joined them- avd then announce they need to come and stay. We’d spend the rest of the weekend taking them out for meals (and paying), taking them to museums, sightseeing etc and they’d just let us pay for the lot. The most they ever contributed was to bring us some runner jeans from their garden but mostly they just say things like, if we could have brought you dine courgettes etc but we forgot! Now we live in the country and they don’t bother coming more than a couple of times a year as there’s nothing to interest them here. I get the impression it’s a duty thing.
They have never supported us emotionally, practically, financially in away. They pretty much dropped us once we had children and we used to ask them to have dc for a while Sunday maybe 2/3 times a year party bc we were desperate for child care so we could work- we are self employed and we need to go to London regularly for work at the weekend- and partly to make them feel needed etc. As they’d moan to sisters etc about never seeing kids but never make the effort to phone, invite us to theirs etc.
A few years ago they butcher to one of the sisters about his it’s way too much for them And it’s not fair to ask them to babysit, this was replayed to me and we haven’t asked them since- I dint want them alone with the kids now anyway.
My kids are 10,8 and 6 and while I’m an atheist, I have said my children can believe whatever they want- they go to a CofE school. I just like to balance any religious stories with the opposite too. I just say some people believe this, some people believe that, you can believe whatever you like. It’s not the god but I really mind about it’s the blatant undermining me and insisting one thing it truth- I think that’s very underhand.
We can’t really go out to a restaurant bc they’re not prepared to pay and i not paying for them- it’s a true horrible experience! They are snugly frugal and do they Durand the whole time commenting on what the ingredients would cost if you bought them in the supermarket- couple that with her not being able to eat saying bc she’s allergic and they dint drink!

OP posts:
derxa · 27/08/2020 09:07

we haven’t seen them since lockdown and they so rarely instigate any contact What's your problem then? Confused

Nightmareinlaws · 27/08/2020 09:09

Sorry, on my phone acc lots of typos, hope you get the gist!

OP posts:
Jeremyironsnothing · 27/08/2020 09:09

I agree get her to repeat anything she says that is upsetting. "So you are saying xXxX. Ok, if that's what you think" with a big smile. Don't let her see that it's upset you. Let her see it wash over you.

I sort of had a bit of an epiphany where I realised I don’t actually need her to like me or rate anything I do. It’s too emotionally draining to deal with her
Definitely this. So what if she thinks whatever she wants about you. None of it matters to you.

Nanny likes to tell stories about Jesus just like mummy tells stories about goldilocks, we don't do it in secret though
Also this is a good approach