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What do you dislike about your country's culture?

575 replies

WomenHour · 25/08/2020 22:20

I would say the binge drinking culture of the UK

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DDemelza · 27/08/2020 08:58

@eaglejulesk

the NZ angle, there was a terrible boat disaster somewhere up in the islands some years back, Tonga or Fiji, and it was reported -in the headline- that one of the dozens dead had had a New Zealand driver's licence. So, in essence, a NZ document had been possibly waterdamaged in a fatal island ferry accident- that was the angle.

Surely the reason for stating that was that one of the dead could have been a New Zealand citizen? Your theory is simply nonsense.

I have no theory- there is a trend of reporting all news stories with a NZ connection, however tenuous. If you don't follow NZ news, of course you are ignorant of it.
DDemelza · 27/08/2020 08:59

And you miss the point that a NZ citizen dead does not make a disaster inherently worse, but never mind.

jcurve · 27/08/2020 09:00

The sheer amount of littering

Infantilisation of the poor by the Left and Right. Neither side believed it’s acceptable (left) or worthwhile (right) to expect anyone to try & improve their life circumstances

... leading to a culture where successive generations believe that problems are always someone else’s to resolve (the council, the NHS, the school, anyone but you)

The English obsession with a very specific residential architectural period (Victorian with a bit of Georgian & Edwardian either side)

NYMM · 27/08/2020 09:06

Complaining .....about everything

England
Ireland
France
NZ
Australia

Hmm
DDemelza · 27/08/2020 09:12

If I can do the UK for a moment (since I live here), I find the obsession with repressive Twitteresque etiquette and particularly with monitoring other people's speech disturbing. There are a lot of professional offence-takers here.

IlanaWexler · 27/08/2020 09:14

That we put up with tiny ugly expensive poorly-built houses. My Dutch husband made me aware of that stereotype, & having seen many houses in other countries I've realised it's true.

PhilSwagielka · 27/08/2020 09:33

Why is the dislike of intellectuals/academics such a big thing in Britain?

Namenic · 27/08/2020 09:35

Sexism (though a bit better over my lifetime) and materialism (E/SE Asia)

Inching · 27/08/2020 09:42

Why is the dislike of intellectuals/academics such a big thing in Britain?

This in spades. It shows up on Mn all the time as a completely unexamined assumption, in everything from a recent thread on baby names where someone said that giving your child a name from literature was 'poncy', to the idea that having visible books in your house is 'showing off', and every right-minded person should either read discreetly on a Kindle or keep their books discreetly upstairs, to the hoary old set of stories that show up on Mn every time there's a conversation about academic intelligence about the highly-qualified people they know who can't tie their own shoelaces/maintain any form of relationship/hang up a picture.

ChaToilLeam · 27/08/2020 09:45

Scotland:

I dislike the littering and vandalism, binge drinking and loutish behaviour, and general resentment of other people’s achievements.

The bad behaviour of just a few people spoils it for the majority but it’s never tackled.

PhilSwagielka · 27/08/2020 09:50

I have books in my flat because I like to read and they’re visible because my flat is small and I have a lot of them and they kind of get everywhere.

It really is that simple.

IncandescentSilver · 27/08/2020 09:56

I've also noticed the suspicious and often negative attitude towards education in the UK and Scotland (I'm in Scotland).

I'm a lawyer. In nearly all other European countries, its standard for lawyers to do masters degrees after their undergraduate degrees before going into the workplace. In the UK, its standard to do a 3 year degree with a one year very practical diploma afterwards, or you can qualify while working. It's very different here - when I took a year out to do my masters, although it expanded my knowledge hugely and made me a much better lawyer, I was aware that I was committing almost certain career suicide unless I wanted to work abroad.

I taught at a university for a couple of years before my training contract, and it was always remarked upon with some suspicion, as in "oh Incandescent will be too educated for this" when working in the firm. In every other European country, legal academics'opinions are sought after by practising lawyers and there is plenty of work crossover. In thus country, there is a huge division maintained between the two.

This is amongst lawyers, for goodness sake! It's also well known that in Scottish academia now, if you want your contract renewed, you can't write articles that are too critical of the Scottish Government. They won't get published anyway, as they often have to be approved by the Principal who knows nothing about your subject but everything about politics and keeping in favour.

Don't get me started on the lack of basic writing skills, or basic political discussion where tolerance is a thing that other countries do. It's saddening that my non university educated friends abroad are able to discuss fairly eloquently in a foreign language the relative merits and de merits of their own political system in some detail, compared to the badly spelled intolerant ranting that passes for the same amongst my countrymen, who simply cannot grasp the dangers of a unicameral parliament and weak seoeratiin of powers, but who instead chant, devotedly, "Nicola is doing a great job".

Gardenpad · 27/08/2020 10:00

Never heard anyone slagging off books and reading in real life, or experts who actually are qualified in what they are talking about, not to say that it's a bit odd when experts get offended when they are challenged by non experts. I think you can find something you dislike about everywhere, when you go looking for it, especially if you get a bee in your bonnet about something - your brain ignores dismisses evidence and allows all your experience to shore up your deeply felt opinion.

beepbeeprichie · 27/08/2020 10:05

What I hate about Scotland now- if you’re not pro SNP you’re viewed as anti-Scotland.
Politics is everywhere and people define themselves by it. When I was younger nobody really discussed it- now you can’t get away from some bloody poll or other.
And littering. Makes me so sad. So many disposable masks lying EVERYWHERE.

Pepperwort · 27/08/2020 10:08

I have heard it in real life. I know people who are educated and those who are not. My parents had no qualifications.
IncandescentSilver what you may not fully grasp is the extent of the huge social divides that exist here. Academia is one symptom of it. Perhaps also where you come from University education is a lot cheaper and rather more meaningful? Here we have watched subjects such as childcare and hospitality going from YTS schemes suitable for the non-academic to degrees in less than 20 years, with phenomenal price tags attached, decreasing wages and no gains on the ground. It's no surprise people are so cynical.

IncandescentSilver · 27/08/2020 10:21

Where I come from,Pepperwort?

I "come from" Scotland!

University education is free here.

Pepperwort · 27/08/2020 10:24

Grin you sounded like you were from Germany or something!
Scotland has always been rather more equal than England.

MistressMounthaven · 27/08/2020 10:36

Scotland loutish behaviour, and general resentment of other people’s achievements

And the way this type of thing is blamed ALWAYS on poverty. So anyone with a nice car or owning their own home is implied to be a middle class, selfish tax dodger.

PhilSwagielka · 27/08/2020 10:47

My colleagues in my last job definitely had chips on their shoulders about me having a degree. Making little digs about 'you're so clever' and 'well I wouldn't know that, I'm not as clever as you'. Like, sorry for wanting to study a subject I'm interested in (and both my degrees paid off as well, it enabled me to do my current job). It wasn't like I bragged about it.

pallasathena · 27/08/2020 10:56

The perennially 'offended'.
Almost every time I observe normal, day-to-day interactions there they are: the easily offended who get all huffy over the slightest little thing.
There used to be the Witch Finder General back in medieval times. Now, we have the Fault Finder Generals.
Feel like emigrating sometimes....but I think it's gone global...

Camomila · 27/08/2020 11:00

Why is the dislike of intellectuals/academics such a big thing in Britain?

I don't like the idea (not everyone of course) that degrees are only worthwhile if you make lots of money after, what's so bad about just wanting to learn stuff?
My student dept repayments of £10/£20 a month don't bother me at all.

eaglejulesk · 27/08/2020 11:06

And you miss the point that a NZ citizen dead does not make a disaster inherently worse, but never mind.

I never said it made it any worse, but surely news in NZ is going to mention that someone from that country was possibly involved! If a UK drivers licence had been found, then the news in the UK would also have mentioned that fact - it's how news reporting works. Good grief - I take it you don't listen to the news very often.

eaglejulesk · 27/08/2020 11:10

I have no theory- there is a trend of reporting all news stories with a NZ connection, however tenuous. If you don't follow NZ news, of course you are ignorant of it.

I suspect I follow NZ news more than you do, and also news from other countries. Of course a disaster in the Pacific Islands would be reported in NZ, whether someone from NZ had been involved or not, but you seem to think it was only reported because a NZ licence was found in the water. Grow up!

Gardenpad · 27/08/2020 11:10

@PhilSwagielka

My colleagues in my last job definitely had chips on their shoulders about me having a degree. Making little digs about 'you're so clever' and 'well I wouldn't know that, I'm not as clever as you'. Like, sorry for wanting to study a subject I'm interested in (and both my degrees paid off as well, it enabled me to do my current job). It wasn't like I bragged about it.
I don't think having a degree means very much - it used to but not any more. My dad who left school at 13 a successful self-taught engineer, always enjoyed the situations where the degree educated engineers had to call him, to sort out a problem they just couldn't get their head around. All that education and not a brain cell between them, he used to say...😂😂😂😂 He was of the opinion that if you wanted to learn something, you'd just do it rather than waiting for a teacher to show you. My mother who was a well educated profesional didn't always agree with him.😁
Inching · 27/08/2020 11:16

My dad who left school at 13 a successful self-taught engineer, always enjoyed the situations where the degree educated engineers had to call him, to sort out a problem they just couldn't get their head around. All that education and not a brain cell between them, he used to say.

That's exactly the kind of story I mean that always shows its head on threads that end up being a mishmash of bizarrely polarised ideas about academic qualifications vs autodidact/practical intelligence. I can't imagine your father was very popular at work if that was his attitude, either.