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AIBU to wonder what 'very Catholic' means?

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Graunaile2017 · 22/08/2020 20:46

I read a comment on another thread describing parents as 'very Catholic '. I'm not from the UK so sometimes miss the nuance or underlying cultural meaning of comments like this, but it seems to imply negativity. What exactly constitutes 'very Catholic' and why is it bad?

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Muser314 · 22/08/2020 22:43

Is anybody here anglican catholic? Can they confirm to me that the official party line for the anglican catholic church is actually pretty similar but that there is no appetite to SHAME? Do they just skip the shame part and go straight to 'are you sorry?''

RealLifeHotWaterBottle · 22/08/2020 22:43

Sayitagainwhydontyou so you agree, you're ill educated. I'll add small minded and bigoted to the mix.

chomalungma · 22/08/2020 22:43

Both those things could be said by devout members of other Christian denominations and also, I believe, by devout Muslims. I don't know about other major religions, but those phrases don't seem to be specifically RC to me

Indeed.

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Muser314 · 22/08/2020 22:45

@Gwenhwyfar

"When I tried to sneak tampons in to the supermarket trolley in 1985, I was told by my mother ''they're for married women''.

In the run up to the vote about gay marriage; My Mum thinking she was incredibly liberal ''I don't mind at all if they want to play house, but they shouldn't call it marriage ''."

Both those things could be said by devout members of other Christian denominations and also, I believe, by devout Muslims. I don't know about other major religions, but those phrases don't seem to be specifically RC to me.

I know, you're right. And so I'm really thinking about this OP's question actually. That's why I'm actually really curious about the Anglican Catholic church.

I don't think that Anglican Catholics are actually recommending any of the things that the Catholic church speaks out against. The difference is that the Catholic Church really goes out on a limb shaming its flock.

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 22/08/2020 22:47

Sure it's all a sliding scale isn't it

  1. Catholic = baptised
  2. Fairly catholic = goes to mass, married in a church
  3. Very catholic= knows Saint days, observes lent, fish on Fridays,
  4. Oh Jesus very catholic= all the above and no gays, no sex, no premarital babies or houses, lots of rosaries

To date I haven't met someone who (openly discusses?) doesn't believe in dinosaurs. I think the general teachings, messages and beliefs will all go up and down within each section and the scale on refers to your relationship with the church rather than with god. So you'll have some arsholes in all sections and some people who love one another as Jesus loved us in all sections.

serenada · 22/08/2020 22:47

@Muser314

their official party line is not ''sex before marriage, go for it '' and morning after pill, stock 'em up. The pill? well of course. dIVORCED? CONGRATULATIONS!!

@MH1111

What is your knowledge of the Church, out of interest? were you raised RC?

Sayitagainwhydontyou · 22/08/2020 22:47

@RealLifeHotWaterBottle

Sayitagainwhydontyou so you agree, you're ill educated. I'll add small minded and bigoted to the mix.
I was educated by Catholics. In Catholicism. If my first hand experience of more than a decade has left me (and the majority of my peers, btw) with these opinions, i think that's probably a reflection on them, not me.
BananaShackles · 22/08/2020 22:48

God, anti-Catholic prejudice (often not so subtly merged with anti-Irish prejudice) never quite goes away here. I suppose a microcosm of the UK as a whole.

serenada · 22/08/2020 22:48

The difference is that the Catholic Church really goes out on a limb shaming its flock.

@Muser314

No, it doesn't. Get over your own ignorance.

RealLifeHotWaterBottle · 22/08/2020 22:48

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov can we change 4 to oh jaysus so we say it like I hear it Grin

Madcats · 22/08/2020 22:49

The joys of the English language!

When something is described as "very catholic" (note lowercase, not 'Catholic'), it means very. broad/universal. Typically people might say they have "very catholic tastes in music or literature or art". It just means they like all sorts/styles/genres. It can also mean that you are broad-minded or liberal.

There is nothing religious about it.

It comes from "catholicus" Latin for "universal".

AriettyHomily · 22/08/2020 22:49

@june2007

High church, REgular Mass perhaps mid weakly, Perhaps praying to saints. Using insence, that sort of thing. Strictly following their religion.
High church isn't catholic it's CofE
chickenyhead · 22/08/2020 22:50

My Catholic upbringing was very hell and damnation.

Marriage is a sacrament it is for life.

God watches you constantly, always, he sees what you do even when you are alone.

Women are lesser than men and should obey her husband.

If you break any rules you willbeoutcast. If your parents break the rules it must never be spoken of.

The only acceptable feeling is guilt.

nicenames · 22/08/2020 22:50

I think that the catholic thing here is very different to mainland Europe (if that is where you are from), OP. Obviously for us Protestantism has been the "more relaxed" form of Christianity here for hundreds of years now, so Catholicism here has kind of maintained its distinction by being less flexible and a bit more dogmatic. Probably the persecution historically hasn't helped either.

I went to catholic school twenty years ago. No real sex education barring abstention. Lots of condemnation of things that are quite mainstream in wider society - living together before marriage, contraception, homosexuality (ironically as most priests I met where obviously closet homosexuals) etc.

MH1111 · 22/08/2020 22:51

I’m not anti catholic, just anti religion 😇

Children should not be taught this drivel as facts but left to made their own mind up as adults.

In fact children and religion shouldn’t mix

chickenyhead · 22/08/2020 22:51

@Madcats

Wow!

Such a strange name to apply to that particular religion.

AveEldon · 22/08/2020 22:53

What is Anglican Catholic?

In the UK you are either Anglican = C of E or Catholic????

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AveEldon · 22/08/2020 22:54

Or no religion or another religion obvs

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SillyUnMurphy · 22/08/2020 22:55

I wouldn’t describe myself as ‘very Catholic’ but we do go to mass weekly and I help out with Communion classes etc. I use contraception though and am pro-choice (more because I am human and a woman) I am also a critic of child abuse inflicted by the church and of their abhorrent treatment of women in Ireland.
I’m a walking religious contradiction I suppose.

CaptainCorellisPangolin · 22/08/2020 22:55

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RealLifeHotWaterBottle · 22/08/2020 22:55

nicenames its funny, because whilst I would agree with you generally where my partner is from (also UK) its the opposite

ShivD · 22/08/2020 22:56

My MIL is very catholic as in, she cooks dinner for the priests If her local church, drives them around to their hospital appointments, generally bosses them about Grin

She’s also very liberal thinking in lots of ways

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