Media blackout on marches happening today

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Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

Wasn’t Oliver the one who exposed what was going on in Rotherham?

That had always been my understanding, however I am now wondering whether I should review my opinion

I had always held Maggie Oliver in high esteem, not least of all because I have experience of grooming gangs myself. I have reported various grooming gangs to the police over the years, some bearing many similarities to the ones Oliver exposed and some extremely different.

Does it sometime happen that the police do not take reports of grooming gangs and sexual exploitation seriously? In my experience this can and does happen. This happened when, in the 1980s I reported being trafficked and tortured and the detective I spoke to NFAd my complaint. It has happened to me much more recently also.

One of the serious concerns I have about Pizzagate, Qanon etc. is that they make many people, including the police, much less likely to take reports of real cultic abuses, including sexual abuses against children, seriously.

I worked with girls exploited by pimps and grooming gangs decades ago and the girls (minors) were treated as criminals rather than as abused children. I have met several extremely corrupt senior police officers.

I have also met many good cops. I keep an open mind about what might be happening in all kinds of situations.

Oliver is the author of this book
Survivors: One Brave Detective's Battle to Expose the Rochdale Child Abuse Scandal Paperback – 11 July 2019

www.amazon.co.uk/Survivors-Detectives-Battle-Rochdale-Scandal/dp/1789460859/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=maggie+oliver&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1599107939&sr=8-1

She went on to become a media celebrity “shero” and appeared on the TV show Celebrity Big Brother and even did a stint in pantomime.

This article may interest you. I do not know the author, Richard Bartholomew, personally, but he is someone whose blog I keep up to date with as, like me, he is interested in skeptical perspectives on conspiracy theories generally and satanic ritual abuse CTs specifically.

Police Whistleblowers’ Group Raises Concerns about Jon Wedger and Maggie Oliver
barthsnotes.com/2019/01/02/police-whistleblowers-group-raises-concerns-about-jon-wedger-and-maggie-oliver/

The IPSG page listing concerns about Wedger and Oliver is here
www.ipsg.co.uk/the-whistleblowing-bandwagon

If you have concerns about Maggie Oliver and her recent conspiraloon associates it might be worth contacting the Independent Police Support Group (a group of apparently genuine police whistleblowers). I know from watching Jon Wedger’s videos that he is feeling stressed out by being researched by them and has recently issues threats against them.

Maggie Oliver’s recent associates include Shaun Attwood

You can see Oliver with Attwood here

Attwood is a former ecstasy “kingpin” who appears alongside such luminaries as Sonia Poulton, and David Icke, promotes Qanon, Pizzagate etc, and has recently been involved in raising funds to help an apparently trafficked drug addicted, vulnerable, autistic woman to “get off the game”.

This last issue has caused quite a scandal in the last few days as photographs of this women in lingerie, taken at Attwood’s flat, have appeared advertising her services on escort / sex work websites.

A video of the woman dressed as and play acting as a child, calling a man who appears to be Attwood and calling him “Daddy” whilst unzipping his trousers has also been uploaded. Attwood’s face is not in the video and the groaning sounds (which are definitely him) could have been edited on, however the beige sofa in the clip is the same as the sofa in fundraising videos showing Attwood and the woman together. The clip is extremely disturbing and I am very concernd that this vulnerable woman is being expoilted by Attwood in various ways.

I’m definitely not denying the existence of grooming gangs and it may be that Maggie Oliver has done some wonderful, courageous work in the past, however her current associates are extremely dubious and unsavoury and many are criminal.

I cannot pretend to understand what is going on.

Here's another video of one of Maggie Oliver's associates, Shaun Attwood

In the video he tells Brian Rose from the, er, fascinating, London Real youtube channel all about how he and his bisexual wife enjoyed copious amounts of cocaine and the services of an escort on their wedding day

NSFW / disturbing

For the record I am extremely concernd that Maggie Oliver is associating with people like Jon Wedger and Shaun Attwood.

Disturbing allegations and revelations about Wedger and Attwood turn up every day but Oliver has remained silent.

Surely it is perfectly reasonable to ask her to step away from her dubious friends and to admit she made a mistake in associating with them?

One wonders just how bad things have to get before she grasps the nettle.

Your opinion about what? About whether she was involved in exposing what happened? Or are you suggesting something more sinister?

As I said I have always held Maggie Oliver in high esteem.

I did feel rather uncomfortable about her promoting herself as "brave" on the promotion to her book. I always think that it is for others to say whether or not someone is "brave".

I felt uneasy about her involvement in CBB and pantomime, all based on a brand as a heroic woman who rescued vulnerable girls.

I also felt and still feel deeply uneasy about some of the imagery she has used on her social media accounts.

However when someone who identifies as a "brave whistleblower' starts hanging around with fake whistleblowers and people who have plenty of form for exploting vulnerable adults then I reserve the right to feel cautious about her and to be curious about her history.

I am not saying that real grooming gangs do not exist. I know that they do.

I just feel that anyone who promotes conspiracy theories about Qanon, Pizzagate and other SRA hoaxes in (especially when combined with "scamdemic" CTs and associations with David Icke and far right groups) should be investigated by the authorities.

Maggie Oliver is associating with such people. Given her reputation this is cause for very serious concern. There is evidence that Wedger and Attwood are exploiting vulnerable adults and yet Maggie Oliver is ignoring it. Why?

Well respected police whistleblower groups are expressing concerns. Why is Oliver not addressing these concerns?

I am not the police and it is not my place to investigate what is going on but I am always concerned about children and vulnerable adults being groomed and abused.

If Maggie Oliver is so concerned about abuse why is she not calling out her associates Shaun Attwood and Jon Wedger?

By not condemning Wedger's explitation of vulnerable people and by appearing on a video with him hugging him and saying that "He's a good man" Oliver is contributing to a situation in which vulnerable people are at risk of exploitation.

Surely this is contrary to her ethics and her "brand".

If she is a genuine whistleblower why has she kept her mouth shut about Attwood and Wedger's activities?

Same with "anti-child abuse activist / journalist" Sonia Poulton.

The silence from Poulton and Oliver is deafening.

What do you think about this? Do you think that it is acceptible for Oliver to endorse and promote people like Jon Wedger and Shaun Attwood?

On the bright side I am now very interested in Maggie Oliver and her foundation.

I am extremely curious about what it does and what organisations it recommends to vulnerable people.

Does it, for example, recommend organisations that promote SRA conspiracy theories and / or promote the associated diagnosis of DID?

I have not yet had time to check it out but will do so when I have a moment and report back.

Jon Wedger and Shaun Attwood cultivate relationships with vulnerable people that involve questionable interpersonal boundaries and that appropriate and exploit the harrowing narratives of the people in their podcasts to glorify themselves, to rattle the collections tin and to gain clicks and "likes" on social media. It is truly disgusting.

In Wedger's situation he has "befriended" a vulnerable woman who he knew from his police career, and is exploiting her to promote nasty conspiracy theories attacking completely innocent people. .

I won't even go into the situation with Attwood again as it is so disturbing and shocking. I've seen the latest video exposing Attwood, I really don't know how Oliver can not say or do anything to dissociate herself from him. It is only going to get worse and the longer she leaves it the worse it will be.

It is deeply concerning that Oliver has not addressed or challenged these abuses.

Gish Gallop

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

and another thing

That Anna Brees, she's been on Shaun Attwood's youtube channel several times before blathering on about satanic paedophile rings and the like. "Anna Brees's mission to expose the establishment's lies!" yadda yadda

Now that Attwood has been busted as exploiting a vulnerable sex worker, complete with footage of them both off their faces on crack, with him counting out £900 that she made in 3-4 hours - all days after they set up a go fund me account to help her exit prostitution......

Will Anna Brees be exposing Shaun Attwood's lies?

nah
sweep it under the carpet more like

@hoodathunkit

and another thing

That Anna Brees, she's been on Shaun Attwood's youtube channel several times before blathering on about satanic paedophile rings and the like. "Anna Brees's mission to expose the establishment's lies!" yadda yadda

Now that Attwood has been busted as exploiting a vulnerable sex worker, complete with footage of them both off their faces on crack, with him counting out £900 that she made in 3-4 hours - all days after they set up a go fund me account to help her exit prostitution......

Will Anna Brees be exposing Shaun Attwood's lies?

nah
sweep it under the carpet more like

Attwood has been busted as exploiting a vulnerable sex worker, complete with footage of them both off their faces on crack, with him counting out £900 that she made in 3-4 hours - all days after they set up a go fund me account to help her exit prostitution......

Where is this expose’? I have done a brief web search but can’t find any info about it

Having watched a few Attwood videos and seeing him getting more and more involved with the alt media folks, I think he like all of them are cynically viewing alt media as a way to make money from getting high subscriber numbers. Initially, I believed his narrative of bad man turned good, but I was naive. I notice when interviewing his guests he asks for the goriest details and it all feels voyeuristic. V troubling to hear about the vulnerable woman he had staying with him.

Sonia Poulton who he now does a weekly show with is an odd one. She works in mainstream media at times, portrays herself as a social justice warrior but she has worked with David Icke in the past. Now I note she is fully paid up member of the coronavirus is fake club. So irresponsible.

A good article in the New Statesman this week about the rise of QAnon and the smorgasbord of issues it brings together creating unreasoned nonsense. As others have pointed out conflates authentic issues like child trafficking with fantastical nonsense and a strong undertow of anti Semitism. It’s grim and ultimately dangerous.

Link to New Stateman article www.newstatesman.com/world/2020/09/qanon-conspiracy-theory-absurd-dangerous-politicians-must-confront-it

That clip of him bragging about coke and prostitution on his wedding night is vile

Where is this expose’? I have done a brief web search but can’t find any info about it

allow me to provide a timeline

I do not wish to link to the videos because it seems that whatever is going on (and that is something for the police to investigate) there is a high likelihood of vulnerable people being abused

An intersex man with a youtube channel has form for exposing some of the nastier people within the truther community

He has made some good videos but also some stinkers IMO

For the record, I support intersex people and feel that the astroturfing of the TRA movement has harmed many trans people as well as intersex people.

So, this person has uploaded some videos claiming to expose a scam related to Shaun Attwood and a vulnerable woman.

He claims that the scam is that they are raising funds (I have seen the go fund me page) to help a vulnerable woman who is being trafficked and forced to take drugs by her traffickers so that she can escape sex work and make a new life for herself in a new home and be reunited with her son (a minor person).

The scam, according to this YouTuber, is that this vulnerable woman is still working in the sex industry and that she and Attwood together are scamming people.

Now it seems to me that there is a lot that is fishy about the fundraiser. If this woman really was being trafficked and forced to take drugs then surely the best course of action would be for her to report the traffickers to the police and to be in a safe house and to receive support and treatment for her drug addiction.

Would it really make sense for her face to be all over Shaun's videos when this would put her in danger of retribution from the alleged traffickers?

In a video, now removed, Attwood claimed that this vulnerable woman had a breakdown in his flat, took an overdose of nightnurse and then tried to commit suicide by jumping from his balcony. Attwood seemed traumatised and almost tearful in this video.

The intersex youtuber uploaded a video containing photos from various "Adult Work" type websites advertising sexual services. The explicit aspects were blanked out, however the photos were claimed to be of this same woman, dressed in lingerie, posing over the same balcony in Shaun's flat that has appeared in some of his other videos. The same balcony that this woman had apparently attempted to jump from to commit suicide.

The photos were, he claimed, evidence of the scam as they showed this vulnerable woman using Attwood's flat as a location for taking photos to advertise sexual services and (I did not see the Adult Work and similar websites myself) but if they advertised "incall services" then Attwood's flat would have been operating as a brothel. This is something for the police to investigate and beyond my abilities at the moment.

I should add the this vulnerable woman had also set up social media platforms advertising herself as an anti-trafficking activist and vulnerable trafficked women were invited to contact her.

I have screen shots bt will not be posting them here

TBC

Oops

should add this to the timeline

About 1 month ago the intersex youtuber uploaded a video questioning whether the vulnerable, autistic trafficked woman was being held by a cult.

This video was in response to Attwood's video in which he claimed that the trafficked woman had tried to kill herself by jumping off the balcony..

This video stressed the extreme vulnerablity of this woman and shared details of an alleged exchange of comminications between him and Attwood.

Attwood had claimed that the police had been called and that the woman had been taken to hospital. He then claimed that she had been taken to a place to receive "spiritual healing".

The intersex youtuber questioned this narrative, quite rightly in my opinion.

It is highly unusual following a suicide attempt for a vulnerable person to be discharged quickly and be sent to a place for spiritual healing.

I appreciate that many mental health services are not fit for purpose however there seems to be something off about the whole narrative.

The youtuber then explains his concerns that this woman may have been referred to Attwood's Qanon, Pizzagate, SRA promoting grifter associates such as Jon Wedger, a vile fake child abuse activist who claims to be a spiritual healer.

I should say at this point that there is a network of extremely abusive "therapists", some of them evangelical Christians, many of them promoters of unpleasant / abusive quack energy therapies and body psychotherapies, who are abusing vulnerable people. Their MO is to use hypnotism and other inappropriate therapies to generate false memories of SRA and VIP paedophile rings. These vile people then exploit vulnerable people on social media.

The intersex youtuber then suggests, fairly convincingly, that the vulnerable woman has been referred to Jon Wedger and his highly abusive cult of derranged "therapists".

I would suggest that readers check out Wedger's latest video, he appears to be either on drugs or on the grip of a psychotic episode. He is making all manner of utterly bizarre claims about satanist networks.

TBC

A video was then uploaded with an update on the vulnerable woman thanking people who had donated.

It showed her lying either in bed or on a sofa alongside her son, whose face was thankfully not shown.

The woman's speech seemed somewhat slurred and her eyes were half open. It may be that she had only just woken up but some people, myself included, felt concerned that she might be under the influence of some substance or other.

Many people expressed concerns about the manipulation not just of this woman but of her son.

Then the intersex youtuber uploaded a truly shocking video showing the vulnerable woman dressed up as a toddler, kneeling infront of an unidentified man and unzipping his trousers and calling him "Daddy" in a little girl voice.

The sound of a man moaning could be heard in the video and anyone familiar with Attwood's channel would recognise his moans as the same ones he makes when he gets vulnerable people to give lurid accounts of child sexual abuse by VIP paedophile rings and satanic cults.

Of course it could be that some sinister actor simply edited the audio of Attwood's moaning onto the video.

The very damning evidence of Attwood's involvement was the beige sofa, the same sofa that Attwood had appeared on with the vulnerable female when they made the videos begging for money so she could escape from her traffickers.

TBC

It is worth mentioning some of the comments under the videos uploaded by the intersex youtuber at this point.

Some commenters had actually been to Attwood's flat. They recognised the balcony but said that it was on the first floor and thus was not really a credibly balcony to leap from if someone wanted to take their own life.

Another commenter claimed to have been in contact with several former girlfriends of Attwood and claimed that the one thing they all said about him was that he had a proclivity for them dressing up as little girls and calling him "Daddy".

I would not usually post about comments from sources I cannot validate, however Attwood's channel, of late, has been giving credence to disgusting conspiracy theorists who are making all manner of debunked and unsubstantiated claims against innocent people.

All of this is for the police to investigate, that is if they have enough resources to do so having had their manpower and resources put under immense strain by cult and by the activities of the various anti-mask, 5G, Qanon etc. protests that Attwood's dodgy associates have been heavily involved in.

TBC

in the above post "cult" should read "cuts"

The intersex youtuber had, correctly in my opinon, expressed concerns that Attwood might be pimping out the vulnerable female and also expressed concerns that vulnerable trafficked people contacting the woman's social media platforms might end up being exploited.

I think that, at this point the intersex youtuber should have taken their evidence to the police rather than post in on youtube, but I digress.

The intersex youtuber then posted up a video depicting Attwood and the vulnerable female together.

In the video Attwood is counting out money (£900) that the female has made in 3-4 hours work. The video depicts them both taking cocaine together.

Obviously many viewers were deeply shocked and concerned that Attwood was pimping out this vulnerable female.

Attwood is a former convicted "ecstasy kingpin", who was once sentenced to 200 years in jail in the US.

Up until the point he started to upload podcasts about Jeffrey Epstein and satanic ritual abuse / VIP paedophile rings, "scamdemic", truther CT videos his channel was actually quite good. He had a lot of interesting videos and many people interested in criminal justice, the war against drugs, prison reform and rehabilitation watched his videos.

At some point he seems to have gone over to the dark side. I will post more about this later.

Over the last few years Attwood has promoted himself as a reformed character who drinks water, meditates and enjoys yoga. Some of his SM content has depicted him in lotus posture in an orange jump suit.

He has also has a career as a speaker at various events relevant to his interests and has also regularly visited schools to talk to children about drugs, an aspect of his career that I imagine will no longer be available to him

TBC

very pushed for time..

just quickly

Attwood's youtube channel and the youtube channel of the vulnerable trafficked female then uploaded a video claiming that they had been pranking the intersex youtuber as retribution for trolling them.

The female claimed that the prank was a response to bullying.

This video showed Attwood claiming to send the "Daddy" video to the intersex youtuber. The "proof" of this was for Attwood to show the date and time on his computer while a still from the "Daddy" video was on his computer. Clearly this is not proof of anything and was deeply unconvincing.

The video caiming to expose the "prank" was initially uploaded onto the youtube account of the vulnerable female.

The blurb included the following text
WARNING: Contains Staged Scenes Of Drug Use, Pimping and Sex Work

It was subsequently uploaded to Attwood's channel

The section claiming that the "Daddy" video was a prank was unconvincing in the extreme.

The section claiming that the video of Attwood counting out money and taking cocaine with the female was a prank was more convincing. I do not have time to compare the 2 videos, that is for the police to do.

At one point in the "prank" expose video Attwood waves around a "sexy toddler" (eurghh) costume and says something like "some people might find it distasteful".

You can say that again Shaun.

An astute commenter pointed out that the costume was a different one to the one the female wore in the "Daddy" video and questioned by Attwood would have a variety of fetish toddler costumes in his flat. A valid question IMO.

Attwood said in the video something like "I hope the police don't see the other videos before they see this prank video as if they do I could get raided"

From the many comments on all the videos it seems that concerned viewers will be making absoultely sure that the police see all of the videos.

Once Attwood uploaded the "prank" video onto his channel his comment section was innundated with critical comments, understandably

These were all deleted as soon as they appeared.

People said that, even if the video was a prank, was it appropriate for a vulnerable, sexually abused, trafficked woman to be making prank videos acting out "age play" scenarios where she played a little girl about to perform a sex act on "Daddy".

People also pointed out that while the "pimping" video may have been a "prank" this did not exlain the fact that sexually explicit photos and videos of the vulnerable woman had been taken in Attwood's flat and been uploaded onto websites advertising sexual services.

There is probably more but that's all I have time for now

Chantilly1

great post thank you

I would also like to add, and the intersex youtuber made this point and I agree with him, one of the most dangerous aspects of grifters like Jon Wedger, Soina Poulton, Anna Brees et al is that they continually warn vulnerable people that the police are satanists, paedophiles and not to be trusted.

I have no dount that some police are paedophiles, I know that some are in cults, and some are not to be trusted.

However anyone who has suffered sexual abuse, whether by a cult or by a common or garden sexual predator should go to the police.

Obviously

Diverting vulnerable people away from the police and into the hands of exploitative Qanon promoting cults is disgusting and extremely dangerous.

I don't mean to be rude but I have neither the time or energy to sit through hours of Youtube videos.

I don't mean to be rude but I have neither the time or energy to sit through hours of Youtube videos.

The whole reason I posted an approximate timeline was so that you don't have to watch all the videos. I do not consider you rude for not wanting to watch them anyway, they are quite disturbing.

An update..

Attwood has just posted a fairly contrite video saying that he is sorry that the "prank" video upset so many people and promising never to do it again.

Apparently he is going to be interviewed in a livestream by Sonia Poulton tomorrow between 3pm -4pm who he says is going to ask him some tough questions.

That should be interesting.

Sonia, could you please ask Shaun to explain the following?

1. Why does he have more than one fetish toddler costume in his flat?

1. The photos I have seen of the trafficked female in sexually explicit poses on a website advertising sexual services (role play a speciality) were taken in your flat. Can you explain that?

1. There is a photo on the website titled "Dirty old man watches and wanks filming BJ". The photo is small and blurry but it appears to be located in your flat. The "dirty old man" is not you (unless you are wearing a wig). Can you please confirm or deny whether this occurred in your flat and the circumstances leading to the making of the video?

1. The price list on the site lists separate prices for in call and out call. Are the in call services provided in your flat?

1. If the sexual services are provided in your flat what kind of business arrangement do you have with this vulnerable woman? Do you take a commission or some kind of fee for providing premises / security? How does it all work?

Looking forward to the interview

I would also be extremely interested to hear the opinion of Maggie Oliver, the brave whistleblower against child sexual abuse and sex trafficking, about this sordid situation.

As a former police officer with experience of sex trafficking issues Maggie Oliver should be able to view all the videos and report back her informed, expert opinion.

For skeptikal readers who wish to learn more about how so many promoters of Pizzage, Qanon, and other SRA hoaxers are actually paedophiles and child sexual abusers I would highly recommend this video.

It is not exhaustive, this is a huge subject, but one thing that anyone who has spent any time researching these conspiracy theories will discover is the disturbingly high number of paedophiles and paedophile defenders / apologists running various scams and harvesting datacwhilst promoting SRA and VIP paedophile ring hoaxes. .

The people who made the below video are former members of the truther community and who ended up becoming skeptikal after discovering disturbing things about people in their community.

I salute their efforts.

If only MSM had done more to expose these vile scammers we would not be in the scary situation we are in today.

Viewer discretion advised.

Have you thought about contacting Sonia directly with the questions you'd like Shaun to answer?

I am contacting her directly right here :)

Waves at Sonia. :)

I'm very much looking forward to the interview.

Of course she doesn't have to answer these important questions. She can play the deny, bluff, bluster, deflect game that she usually does. This is what I expect to be honest.

I just want the questions to be here, on record, especially as they are central to understanding what is really going on with Attwood and the vulnerable trafficking survivor who appears to be using his flat as a brothel.

Of course there may be some perfectly reasonable explanation as to why there are sexually explicit photos and videos of this woman located at Shaun's flat all uploaded onto a sex worker website.

Obviously, being an investigative journalist specialising in covering stories about paedophiles I'm sure that Sonia will want to ask Shaun all about the "Daddy" / little girl role play video too.

I mean why would Shaun, who is supposedly some kind of activist agaist VIP paedophile rings and sexual abuses against vulnerable young women, make such a disgusting video, even if that bit was a prank?

The woman in the video had, according to Shaun, only recently escaped the clutches of evil, violent sex traffickers and had only 3 weeks earlier attempted suicide at his flat.

It doesn't make much sense does it?

I am so pleased that Sonia is going to be there to ask all the "hard questions" and leave no stone unturned.

Sorry, it's late and I'm tired - I missed wherever she posted and ntroduced herself on this thread.

She is either posting on here or has supporters here

Like you for instance

My questions are the ones any sane and rational person would ask anyway.

Obviously there may be other questions, but she has an hour.

If she doesn't ask these questions I wouldn't be surprised. I expect bluff, bluster, deflection and denial.

We shall see