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Media blackout on marches happening today

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orangesnapples · 22/08/2020 15:23

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

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hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 09:15

You cannot have a conversation about child trafficking/sexual abuse with out posters lining up to accusing you or link it to conspiracy theories to try and minimise it. OR people piling on posting links to well known conspiracy theories.

I agree that this is a problem.

However this thread was never about child trafficking. It was a thread about the protests that claimed to be about children’s safety and welfare but that were appropriated by various sinister actors to promote Qanon, Pizzagate, the Hampstead satanic hoax, conspiracies about grooming gangs and various other causes, including anti-maskanti-vaxx and “scamdemic” CTs.

The OP pushed the narrative that the protests were about child abuse and child trafficking but there is a lot of hard evidence that the protests are a vile appropriation of this serious subject promoted by various sinister actors and far-right groups.

They were covered in the Mail, which helpfully provided evidence of a neo-Nazi flag, various far-right protesters were present as they usually are at this kind of event.

The one in London had Piers Corbyn attending as he usually does, alongside Belinda McKenzie who tried to hide her involvement, as usual. More on Belinda’s involvement in this later :)

I suspect that a significant element why these protests were not given exposure (apart from the fact that they were relatively small) is that it isn’t a good idea to give Qanon / Pizzagate / SRA promoters more prongs to their existing pitchforks.

In an earlier post I directed readers to the youtube channel of Sheva Burton. I do not know her personally, however she has uploaded an impressive array of video clips of anti-child abuse, grass roots protests and marches that were taken over by people like Belinda McKenzie, Bill Maloney, Brian Gerrish, David Icke and the usual suspects.

If any readers are interested in videos, dated and categorised, with the various hoaxers appearing and pushing the genuine survivors out of the way, then Sheva’s channel has a lot of interesting material.

The Hoaxtead Research blog and youtube channel is full of material about the SRA CT pushers, Riddled has a lot of material about the ITNJ and SAFF has a website full of evidential material about SRA hoaxers. Quatloos is great on Freeman on the Land, Sovereign Citizens and associated loons.

Given that most people know next to nothing about the conspiracy theorists organising these protests I thought it might be valuable for readers to steered towards resources where they can educate themselves. Forewarned is forearmed as they say. Nobody is forcing anyone to check out the resources I recommend.

Readers who are inclined to believe in SRA / DID, Pizzagate, Qanon etc. are unlikely to select skeptical, rational sources to read. There is no shortage of batshit insane CT orientated websites and SM out there for people who have an unquenchable desire to read about or watch videos about young children and babies being sexually tortured by satanists.

We can never have a true discussion about the real reality of child trafficking or child abuse.

I agree that there is a problem with astroturfing of this issue. Should we pretend that the astroturfing does not happen? Should we let David Icke and groups like the DFLA promote themselves as the face of child protection?

Should we just sit back and let people like, Jon Wedger, who abuses vulnerable adults as clickbait, rise to the top of a movement that uses campaigns against child sexual exploitation as a camouflage for other, more sinister purposes?

I do not believe that we should.

If someone starts a thread about a group of activists and nobody knows who they are or what they are protesting about should we not provide whatever information we can, especially if these activists pose a threat to vulnerable people?

Child trafficking is an emotive and complex subject and many people know very little about it. Many people who claim to be authorities on the subject have form for manipulating vulnerable survivors. As with so many issues, the people who are genuine authorities on the issue are open about the fact that there is a lot that they do not know, as is the case with any issue, let alone a crime that is typically extremely hidden.

Here’s an idea - If you want to start a serious discussion about child trafficking and child abuse that is not concerned with conspiracy theories about satanists, Pizzagate, Qanon etc. why not just start one? Simply make it clear in the OP that the discussion is going to be about real child trafficking and not about Qanon, Pizzagate, (insert other satanic hoax here) and see how it goes?

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 09:17

She certainly doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theorist to me. What do you think?

She sounds like the typical, vulnerable, anxious, medically uninformed person, highly likely with a history of mental health issues, quite possibly influenced by some dodgy therapist, that the conspiratards exploit in order to promote chaos and destabilise our country.

Who is she? She clearly isn’t a virologist or an epidemiologist. Does she have any medical qualifications at all relevant to her claims?

I am not an epidemiologist or a virologist however I have worked in the NHS attached to epidemiological / virology units decades ago. I worked in health promotion, specifically in relation to education about risk and also working with vulnerable people at risk of HIV.

It is extremely challenging to communicate risk to the general public in relation to viral spread. It is especially difficult when some of the most at risk people are the most resistant to the health promotion / harm minimisation messages.

With HIV there were many problems including but not restricted to:

The “window” between infection and an immune response that could be tested to indicate the presence of the virus. There is an identical problem with covid.

The “window” between infection and the onset of symptoms. There is an identical problem with covid, although a different time scale is involved, days / weeks with covid - months / years with HIV/AIDS.

The fact that people do not wish to curb their freedoms and enjoyable pursuits to protect themselves and others. Many people have limited abilities to delay gratification or to sacrifice their privileges for the greater good. It is a truism that when a population has a privilege removed they experience it as oppression. This can lead to collective experience of grievances that can be exploited easily by sinister forces.

Othering. With HIV/AIDS there was a strong collective wish to identify the “others” who had the virus. Gay men, Africans, Injecting drug users, were all stigmatised and considered as “high risk groups”. Risk was widely assumed to be in relation to contact with these groups, rather than in relation to specific unprotected sexual acts. These perceptions were unhelpful. Unprotected sex involving a penis in a vagina or anus is high risk, even if the man concerned is not in a “high risk group”. Gay sex involving, say, mutual masturbation, is extremely low rot zero risk even if between 2 gay men. All epidemics in history have involved “othering” which reflects the wish to identify the risk / badness as outside and “other”. This is also true of covid.

State sponsored disinformation. Epidemics, like any natural disaster, represent opportunities to predators, grifters and hostile state actors. In the age of “Don’t die of ignorance’ we had Operation Infektion to deal with.

Everyone who is interested in fake news, coronavirus and misinformation needs to watch this brilliant and highly informative 2018 video from the New York Times is extremely relevant to our current times

I have so much more to share about these protests. Pushed for time

Later :)

user1468867871 · 27/08/2020 09:59

Some people are working very hard on persuading mumsnetters that there is no media misinformation. It is almost as if they have been paid to do it.

I’ve never seen responses so desperate. It must be taking hours And hours, a full time job? 🙄🤔

PhilSwagielka · 27/08/2020 12:33

If you mean me, no, I'm not being paid. Are slebs paying you to shill for them on here?

Butterer · 27/08/2020 12:37

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Komacho · 27/08/2020 12:47

The Russian government have been known to encourage the spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories in the West.

How many rubles are you being paid for each Twitter link you post?

user1468867871 · 27/08/2020 12:52

I rest my case 🙄🙄🙄

scabbles · 27/08/2020 12:55

@user1468867871 you've been given a bit of flack on this thread, and I'm not sure that it's deserved to be honest.

There are posters on this thread who have inputted on other threads really pushing certain narratives which are at complete opposites to keeping women and children safe.

So you're point may be valid.

knittingaddict · 27/08/2020 13:03

I’ve never seen responses so desperate. It must be taking hours And hours, a full time job?

I'm doing it for free between bits of housework.

I certainly wish someone would pay me to shoot dumb conspiracy theories down in flames. Doing a job I love would be amazing.

Stripesgalore · 27/08/2020 13:17

@user1468867871 you've been given a bit of flack on this thread, and I'm not sure that it's deserved to be honest.’

I agree. The issues around both Prince Andrew and the right of victims to talk about abuse are important points that you have raised.

It’s just that you’re kind of introducing them and then not talking about them in more detail.

CoffeeandCroissant · 27/08/2020 13:24

"One group that formed in July, “Freedom for the Children,” has organized more than 60 rallies in 26 states and Canada, according to their website, where they accept donations. Until Wednesday, personal Facebook profiles for co-founders Bhairavi Shera and Tara Nicole seen by NBC News contained posts with conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, the coronavirus and QAnon’s precursor, pizzagate. By Thursday, Shera’s personal profile had been either removed or deleted, and Nicole deleted or made previous posts private."
barthsnotes.com/2020/08/23/a-note-on-save-the-children-protests/

Their Facebook group for the UK (Freedom for the children UK) is private, but anyone can request to join it. I did so out of curiousity and their own photos and videos from the marches show plenty of Q signs and mentions of pizzagate, W1G..., 'Bill Gates Plandemic placards' etc.

As do the posts and comments in the group, lots of conspiracy theories, organised commenting pile ons on Sky News pages, anti-Semitic conspiracies, links to dubious YouTube videos etc...

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:24

Relevant news report from Australia

more in a mo

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:25

CoffeeandCroissant

great post

:)

famousforwrongreason · 27/08/2020 13:30

@hoodathunkit

Relevant news report from Australia

more in a mo

Really good news feature, very straightforward and even their hero trump seems to be distancing himself....
hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:30

some other links and stuff for readers' perusal

From the youtube channel of Anna Brees, long time associate of the fake whistleblowing cop Jon Wedger

Kelly Ann Scott from StandUpX - 25th August 2020

Wedger never whistleblows about real cults and real cultic abuse, just the usual fake reports of satanic ritual abuse from the vulnerable adults he exploits

Stripesgalore · 27/08/2020 13:32

It is very unlikely that people are getting paid.

It is more that people who get involved in conspiracy theories tend to spend very long periods of time watching YouTube and visiting niche websites.

Many people with schizophrenia get drawn into conspiracy theories.

Beyond that there are certain traits that are common In conspiracy theorists - obsessional interest, Illogical and contradictory beliefs, belief that experts and authority figures are not trustworthy, grandiose belief in their own expertise, and being more likely to conspire themselves.

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:33

Youtube channel Street Truth has uploaded the Kelly Ann Scott video, a brief perusal of the other videos on the channel confirms the tin foil hattery

www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1I2h5Djp8f4o-ieCqKYMQ/videos

Stand Up X fb
www.facebook.com/groups/standupx/?ref=group_header

scabbles · 27/08/2020 13:38

Hoodathunkit you have posted numerous links on this thread with regards to certain topics but you're failing to actually state how these link in to the theme of the thread. You posted a link yesterday I believe which I couldn't access and asked for a description but you still haven't provided it, just more links to YouTube videos.

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:39

Sheva Burton has helpfully uploaded a short video to youtube that clearly depicts the notorious charity scammer and fake child abuse activist and paedophile associate Belinda McKenzie at the “Save our Children” event in London in 22nd August.

Belinda attempts to hide behind one of her signs. The sign reads as follows:
CHILDREN 1ST UK
NATIONAL NETWORK AGAINST CHILD ABUSE
PLEASE REGISTER YOUR FIRST NAME & (blurred - MP?) or email
[email protected]
NUMBERS NEEDED”

Transcription of Belinda’s comments as follows:

“It is my intent to get a national movement going. Everybody who wants to stand up and take action against child abuse can get together on a kind of informal register, right. No first names just second name will do and an initial and an email ‘cos I’ve had problems with social media, facebook and court, right, because I’ve been a bit outspoken over the years (unintelligible).

And so what is needed is exactly what is happening here today, which is the beginnings of what I’ve been dreaming of for all these 10 years that Ive been a children’s rights and against child abuse campaigner. We had 3 rallies in Trafalgar Square in 2010, 2011 and 2012. We had Jimmy Savile (unintelligible)"

Belinda Mckenzie is a notorious long time promoter of various SRA hoaxes that have destroyed the lives of countless innocent people.

She is also the former landlady of David Shayler and Annie Machon - so many dark twisty rabbit holes

McKenzie is a disgusting woman on many levels. Her "activism' has put countless children at risk of abuse.

GwendolineMarysLaces · 27/08/2020 13:43

@user1468867871

Some people are working very hard on persuading mumsnetters that there is no media misinformation. It is almost as if they have been paid to do it.

I’ve never seen responses so desperate. It must be taking hours And hours, a full time job? 🙄🤔

Oh Jesus- you could be accused of the very same.
GwendolineMarysLaces · 27/08/2020 13:46

@hoodathunkit

You cannot have a conversation about child trafficking/sexual abuse with out posters lining up to accusing you or link it to conspiracy theories to try and minimise it. OR people piling on posting links to well known conspiracy theories.

I agree that this is a problem.

However this thread was never about child trafficking. It was a thread about the protests that claimed to be about children’s safety and welfare but that were appropriated by various sinister actors to promote Qanon, Pizzagate, the Hampstead satanic hoax, conspiracies about grooming gangs and various other causes, including anti-maskanti-vaxx and “scamdemic” CTs.

The OP pushed the narrative that the protests were about child abuse and child trafficking but there is a lot of hard evidence that the protests are a vile appropriation of this serious subject promoted by various sinister actors and far-right groups.

They were covered in the Mail, which helpfully provided evidence of a neo-Nazi flag, various far-right protesters were present as they usually are at this kind of event.

The one in London had Piers Corbyn attending as he usually does, alongside Belinda McKenzie who tried to hide her involvement, as usual. More on Belinda’s involvement in this later :)

I suspect that a significant element why these protests were not given exposure (apart from the fact that they were relatively small) is that it isn’t a good idea to give Qanon / Pizzagate / SRA promoters more prongs to their existing pitchforks.

In an earlier post I directed readers to the youtube channel of Sheva Burton. I do not know her personally, however she has uploaded an impressive array of video clips of anti-child abuse, grass roots protests and marches that were taken over by people like Belinda McKenzie, Bill Maloney, Brian Gerrish, David Icke and the usual suspects.

If any readers are interested in videos, dated and categorised, with the various hoaxers appearing and pushing the genuine survivors out of the way, then Sheva’s channel has a lot of interesting material.

The Hoaxtead Research blog and youtube channel is full of material about the SRA CT pushers, Riddled has a lot of material about the ITNJ and SAFF has a website full of evidential material about SRA hoaxers. Quatloos is great on Freeman on the Land, Sovereign Citizens and associated loons.

Given that most people know next to nothing about the conspiracy theorists organising these protests I thought it might be valuable for readers to steered towards resources where they can educate themselves. Forewarned is forearmed as they say. Nobody is forcing anyone to check out the resources I recommend.

Readers who are inclined to believe in SRA / DID, Pizzagate, Qanon etc. are unlikely to select skeptical, rational sources to read. There is no shortage of batshit insane CT orientated websites and SM out there for people who have an unquenchable desire to read about or watch videos about young children and babies being sexually tortured by satanists.

We can never have a true discussion about the real reality of child trafficking or child abuse.

I agree that there is a problem with astroturfing of this issue. Should we pretend that the astroturfing does not happen? Should we let David Icke and groups like the DFLA promote themselves as the face of child protection?

Should we just sit back and let people like, Jon Wedger, who abuses vulnerable adults as clickbait, rise to the top of a movement that uses campaigns against child sexual exploitation as a camouflage for other, more sinister purposes?

I do not believe that we should.

If someone starts a thread about a group of activists and nobody knows who they are or what they are protesting about should we not provide whatever information we can, especially if these activists pose a threat to vulnerable people?

Child trafficking is an emotive and complex subject and many people know very little about it. Many people who claim to be authorities on the subject have form for manipulating vulnerable survivors. As with so many issues, the people who are genuine authorities on the issue are open about the fact that there is a lot that they do not know, as is the case with any issue, let alone a crime that is typically extremely hidden.

Here’s an idea - If you want to start a serious discussion about child trafficking and child abuse that is not concerned with conspiracy theories about satanists, Pizzagate, Qanon etc. why not just start one? Simply make it clear in the OP that the discussion is going to be about real child trafficking and not about Qanon, Pizzagate, (insert other satanic hoax here) and see how it goes?

Bang on. I'm sure that many of the people involved don't realise what they have been co-opted into but the truth is that they are being used
Stripesgalore · 27/08/2020 13:47

Scabbles, the link you were asking about was to the group SAFF.

They tweeted the following about the Guardian article about how low rape conviction rapes are:

‘Typical @guardian agitprop.
‘Specious rape claims are recorded by police as crimes & inflate stats, but prosecutions of actual rapes have fallen because the threat over recent yrs was exaggerated by Wokeness.
Only 'Record Low' is in Media reporting.‘

Women lie about rape and sexual assault is pretty central to their message.

hoodathunkit · 27/08/2020 13:51

Thanks again to Sheva Burton for this upload demonstrating the role of Bill Maloney and David Icke in terms of astroturfing anti-child abuse protests

The text under the video is as follows:

Following their hijack of the 2010 UK Rally Against CSA Bill & David meetup to set the narrative that has grown to lead people to believe that 'Satanists Rule The World' (A title of one of Ickes videos).
Neither of them or any of the hijackers or the Q, Pedogate movements have saved any children nor helped survivors. In fact they have done immense harm.
Like Jon Wedger, David Icke has not taken any victim's case to the police & clearly wanted to push the idea that it was all satanic.
Did you spot Jon's associates ? I think I did. I thought I saw him, but was tired.

Those accused by David Icke ignored him as a nutter, not realising that he had gained a false credibility by being the main speake at our rally.
Does anyone else think he should be held to account ?
Icke or Oike as I call him now never mentioned Jimmy Saville whilst he was alive, yet worked with the BBC a few times & would surely have known or heard rumours.
More people are speaking out now about them & Bill Maloneys Pal Jon Wedger.

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