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orangesnapples · 22/08/2020 15:23

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

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hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 09:52

I'm an average Joe, but according to you lot I'm somehow responsible for coronavirus with my magical Jew powers. I mean, you've got actual fascists hanging out there, the people who got their arses kicked at Cable Street back in the day. You've got some really lovely friends in your movement.

It's hilarious, if depressing, how we're in 2020 and we're still being blamed for a pandemic. It happened with the plague and it's happening now.

Important points

We live in interesting times.

A good time to share this excellent and important video about the hiistory of the development of the Blood Libel

The more things change ......

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 10:01

Re Judy Williams and Pamela Edwards, here is the docuemtnary Being Pamela referred to in the press as "The documentary they tried to ban"

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

It appears that Williams is now working at the Pottergate Centre, a real hub for satan hunters

All members of the Centre are part of ISSTD &/or ESTD.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200827220518/dissociation.co.uk/the-pottergate-team/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200827220518/dissociation.co.uk/the-pottergate-team/

The links page of the Pottergate Centre is horrifying and of great interest to anyone with an interest in psychotherapy cults.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161112153508/dissociation.co.uk/links/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20161112153508/dissociation.co.uk/links/

This is extremely concerning and readers should pay attention to the plan to divert precious NHS funding and appropriate it towards psychotherapy cults that abuse vulnerable people

FUTURE LINKS
Through the development of the United Kingdom Society for the Study of Dissociation (UKSSD), with support from the International Society for the Study of Dissociation (ISSD), it has been possible over the past five years to establish a growing body of professionals willing to undertake further training to give a secure base to treating and supporting people with a variety of trauma based disorders including specifically dissociative disorders as defined within DSM IV. We have found people willing to give up their time for supervision and case discussion to keep standards high. It is exciting that NHS Primary Care (OP) practices may soon have “purchasing power” to buy services for their patients because very often it is at the OP level that the most priority is given because outpatients turn up week after week with undiagnosed somatic and or psychological symptoms. Patient self-help groups such as First Person Plural are arranging national level interest and, as a recent conference demonstrated, are a voice that is reaching throughout the UK to unify understanding. European colleagues are increasingly interested to join with us in the UK to understand our own dissociation, as we come to a better understanding about our own divisions and chaotically organised services so we grow closer to helping the disorganised and fragmented inner world that we are striving to heal. It is difficult to find other than a powerful reflection that the divisions within Europe and within our UK NHS give us an incentive to work very hard to create a container that is worth internalising.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161107140347/dissociation.co.uk/research/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20161107140347/dissociation.co.uk/research/

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 10:04

excellent piece from Hope Not Hate here re the protests and hate groups

www.hopenothate.org.uk/2020/08/28/the-uks-emerging-conspiracy-theory-street-movements/

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 10:16

For readers concerned about antisemitism (hopefully most of us) an important video to check out is one of the many "ordinary people" given time to spout their various conspiratorial views by the notorious Anna Brees, a long time associate of the fake police whistleblower Jon Weger.

Brees and Wedger are attempting to carve out a brand for themselves as alternative news heroes and are deeply involved in promoting SRA related conspiracy theories, anti-vaxx, "scamdemic", anti-mask and other conspiracy theories.

Anyway, here's the video I find most interesting, titled "Anna Zimmerman, 50, Therapist, Ludlow, Shropshire. 2.8.20 (improved sound)"

This therapist opines about the wonderful insights of noneother than Adolf Hitler in relation to our current fascinating situation.

Sharing as this video shows quite clearly how these vile individuals hide in plain sight.

I am exrtremely curious to understand the views of the assorted conspiraloons as to why there are no anti-mask protests in Russia, China, India, North Korea and Iran?

famousforwrongreason · 01/09/2020 10:44

[quote hoodathunkit]excellent piece from Hope Not Hate here re the protests and hate groups

www.hopenothate.org.uk/2020/08/28/the-uks-emerging-conspiracy-theory-street-movements/[/quote]
Just as I thought! Scary how much they've infiltrated groups in my town., I'm starting to worry about airing my opinions with aoot of my friends asso many of them have attached themselves to some or all of these theories.
The worst is that clear local far right activists / lunatics are spearheading some of this stuff annd people hang on their every word as though all the fascist unpleasantness is behind us now

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 11:35

Just as I thought! Scary how much they've infiltrated groups in my town., I'm starting to worry about airing my opinions with aoot of my friends asso many of them have attached themselves to some or all of these theories.
The worst is that clear local far right activists / lunatics are spearheading some of this stuff annd people hang on their every word as though all the fascist unpleasantness is behind us now

I am so sorry to hear about your friends. Where I live several acquaintances have opined very enthusiastically in support of these bizarre conspiracy theories

Unfortunately the conspiracy promoters will use any cracks and flaws in our government and statutory services as a platform for promoting their hateful agendas.

I posted this excellent documentary before but am posting it again as it is incredibly helpful for anyone interested in how nation states use "divide and conquer" to cause division in nation states whose resources and assets they wish to appropriate

for readers with limited time this section is possibly the most important

The Seven Commandments of Fake News

Rule 1 - look for "cracks" - divisions / flaws / vulnerablities

Rule 2 - create a big lie so outrageous that nobody sane believes it

Rule 3 - wrap the big lie around a small truth

Rule 4 - conceal your hand - make it appear that the story arose from a whistleblower or grass roots community group

Rule 5 - find yourself useful idiots

Rule 6 - deny, deny, deny, bluster, blag

Rule 7 - play the long game - put resources into many operations, some of which will not bear fruit. The ones that do, bear fruit over time, can create havoc in the targeted nation state

I would like to add an additional commandment to the seven stated in the above video

The 8th is, in my experience, to use the strengths of the opponent against them.

This commandment is one that any martial artist will understand immediately.

It is pointless to use force against force when the opponent is bigger and stronger than you are. You will lose if you attempt this. In such a situation you must use the opponent's strengths against them.

If the opponent is bigger and stronger you must bait them into using all their force against you and then use "empty force" (get out of the way having baited them with a little fake resistance), ideally tripping them up as their full force moves into an empty space.

If the opponent has long arms and a better reach then you you have to bait them into over-extending their strikes so you can break their arm.

I will provide some examples here

In the UK we have many organisations concerned with human rights and many human rights lawyers. I believe that human rights are extremely important, of course. However any good cause can be over-extended to become a counter-productive or even an evil force.

Thus we have human rights lawyers who enable terrorists to stay in the UK, who enable people who kill police officers to recieve huge amounts of legal aid, who empower the worst kinds of abusive criminals to gain all kinds of benefits.

In the UK we have some very good laws protecting animals and allowing the police to prosecute cases of animal cruelty. Many people in the UK pride themselves on their attitude towards pets and other animals. Issues around animal welfare are complex and various racist, Islamophobic and antisemitic discourses are founded on questionable beliefs about animal rights.

Animal rights activism is a very obvious focus for astroturfing to create divide and rule. Thus we have vegan and extreme green activists who regard humans as a disease upon the planet and who think that deadly viruses are a great thing is they kill off lots of people. There is also a growing Nazi hipster / Nispter movement where neo-Nazis abandon the traditional far right appearance and to adopt a softer image. There is a significant movement of vegan / animal rights Nazis.

an actually rather good RT video about nipsters

Re animal rights, there is also a perspective about British people promoted on social media that we care more about our pets than we do about children.

This is a view opined by Camila Batmanghelidjh in this interview with the Voice of Russia radio station

Possibly the most fruitful arena for astroturfing and creating chaos has been the astroturfing of LGB rights to include transgender rights.

I believe that trans rights are important but are nothing to do with LGB rights.

I also believe that vulnerable people with autism and trauma related mental illnesses have been exploited by sinister organisations to promote an extreme version of trans rights that harms all citizens but mostly it harms the LGB cause and vulnerable people, especially people who identify as trans.

So, briefly, the Rule no 8 is about taking a good, worthy cause and over-extending it to the point that it creates chaos and division

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 12:38

Anyone interested in researching the development of the bizarre conspiracy theory, currently promoted by various persons involved in the recent protests, that the UK governement is working with secret courts and social services to steal children so that they can be abused and even murdered by satanic cults, needs to know about Maggie Tuttle

The Hoaxtead Research blog is a good place to begin navigating the various twisty rabbit holes eminating from Tuttle's extremely concerning "charity" Children Screaming to be Heard.

I do not have time to do this subject justice here, however I would like to post a link to one of Tuttle's videos where she promotes herself as a heroic defender of children.

Apprearing alongside her in the video is a fascinating man called Brian Pead. An unfortunate name given that Mr Pead has a conviction for attempting to cause or incite a child to engage in sexual activity.

source:

www.bexleytimes.co.uk/news/money-for-sex-therapist-escapes-jail-1-611361

Tuttle and her various associates defended Pead even after his conviction.

You have to wonder what on earth is going on with a network of people who claim to be whistleblowers and anti-child abuse activists, yet who have multiple ongoing connections to real paedophiles and child abusers.

Tuttle has also been a campaigner for the rights of prisoners to father children while in jail. She got imvolved in this while her husband was serving an 18 year stretch in jail for armed robbery.

books.google.co.uk/books?id=jT-pl1LQTIIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=margaret+tuttle+artificial+insemination&source=bl&ots=lHiB_ZFvNk&sig=Qai2kSDrq8IyV0Y8Pfcc5P4IIbw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAWoVChMI77yhoY-ByQIVA4EPCh3cwQdm#v=onepage&q=margaret%20tuttle%20artificial%20insemination&f=false

A long term associate of Tuttle who has promoted her "charity" is the controversial "alternative news journalist" / conspiracy theorist and former David Icke associate Sonia Poulton.

Poulton has been very involved recently with the extremely dubious "alternative news journalist" and former "ecstasy kingpin" Shawn Attwood.

I do not wish to link to Attwoood's youtube channel but he has been called out of late for exploiting a vulnerable adult. This adult is a young woman with autism, a history of drug addiction and of sex work / sex trafficking.

This vulnerable young woman has uploaded photographs of herself in lingerie in sexual poses to "adult work" (prostitution) type websites that many people who have visited Sean Attwood's home claim are located in his flat.

Quite what is going on I would not like to speculate, however a theme that I detect is yet again one of vulnerable adults being exploited in various cruel and disgusting ways.

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hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 13:19

Reported my oown post above as I made a mistake

Aoplogies. the petition I linked to was addressed to James Munby not started by or with him

the rest of the post stands

is says

Link to Hoaxtead Research's excellent piece on Maggie Tuttle and her links to Belinda Mckenzie's Knight Foundation (unbelievably named after a paedophile)

hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/the-surprising-maggie-tuttle/

On the subject of campaigners against the "secret family courts that kidnap children" conspiracy a long term campaigner is the fascinating chacater John Hemming

Hemming was falsely accused by Fiomna Barnett of non-recent ritual / satanic child sexual abuse.

Hemming has long time been a campaigner against the family court system and is associated with many SRA conspiracy promoters. The false accusations against him are fascinating and are worthy of reflection.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 14:49

I do not want to link to the videos showing a vulnerable, drug addicted sex worker at Shaun Attwood's flat as I do not know the circumstances of the woman concerned other than that she is extremely vulnerable and is possibly a trafficking survivor.

Given that Shaun Attwood has been extremely involved in promoting conspiracy theories about SRA and promotes himself as a heroic campaigner against sex trafficking and child sexual abuse I thought that readers might like to check out a video of Shaun Attwood describing hiring a sex worker to service him and his wife on his wedding night on the, er, interesting, London Real youtube channel

Obviously the video contains Attwood talking about sex in an explicit manner. NSFW

Just sharing so that readers can gain a fuller appreication of the kind of people promoting the conspiracy theories underlying the recent protests

Also, Attwood visits schools to teach children about drugs. From the videos that I have seen about him very recently I am extremely concernend about Attwood being anywhere near minors.

As I mentioned previously Attwood has been very involved with David Icke and Sonia Poulton, both of whom are marketing themselves as heroic activists against child sexual abuse.

Quite how they will react to some of the material exposing Attwood's sexual proclivities and apparent exploitation of a vulnerable woman is anyone's guess.

PhilSwagielka · 01/09/2020 15:06

David Icke is also an anti-Semitic shitbag who thinks Jews are lizard people and has, IIRC, flirted with Holocaust denial.

These are not people to be trusted.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 15:33

No argument with me on that PhilSwagielka

Another promoter of this network is the former police whistleblower and longtime anti-grooming activist Maggie Oliver

This video is a couple of years old

However Oliver tweeted approval of Attwood and Poulton very recently

twitter.com/MaggieOliverUK/status/1297462503983722499

Maggie Oliver has continued to support Wedger and Poluton throught their conspiraloon activities which I find shocking

It calls all of her past activism into question IMO. One wonders just how far they have to go before she stops endorsing them?

Just an observation, but this network of conspiracy theorists manufactures "activists" on all sides.

They also deploy many useful idiots and maniipulate and exploit vulnerable people to do their dirty work

I suspect that many of the therapists promoting these conspiracies are profoundly mentally unwell themselves and have become infected with a shared delusion.

Anyone concerned about these activities - and I believe that all caring people should be concerned about them - needs to be extremely careful about who we consider to be allies.

I would respectfully suggest that concerned leaders from the Jewish and Muslim communities (both of whom are under attack from conspiracy theorists) need to start working together to support each other and to decide on a strategy for debunking these atrocious people.

It would really piss them off if the very communities they are attempting to destroy and divide unite in a spirit of mutual support and skeptical enquiry.

Stripesgalore · 01/09/2020 15:43

Hoodathunkit, making accusations about Maggie Oliver is particularly awful, and you seem to do it on multiple threads. It is due to Oliver’s persistence that so many girls are no longer victimised by grooming gangs.

What you are doing and asking others to do isn’t research. Reading conspiracy blogs and watching YouTube videos then making allegations about people is not research.

Research is what some of the people you are accusing do. They come up with a proposal, it goes in front of an ethics board, they get approval, they conduct the research, it is peer reviewed and then published.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 15:54

Stripesgalore

Maggie Oliver is currently promoting a group of controversial conspiracy theorists who promote Qanon, Pizzagate the Hampstead SRA hoax as well as anti-vaxx and anti-mask protests.

She has long time promoted Jon Wedger, a dangerous man who routinely exploits vulnerable adults and also promotes Sonia Poulton.

She recently appeared in a podcast, as evidenced in my screenshot with Shaun Attwood, a former "ecstasy kingpin" who appears to be exploiting a trafficked, vulnerable woman in the most disgusting way.

The issue here is why is Maggie Oliver not denouncing these people?

We all make mistakes. I have made many mistake in my life. None of us are perfect.

I have no idea why Maggie Oliver is promoting such an odious bunch of miscreants, however if she wants to dissociate herself from them nobody is stopping her.

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Stripesgalore · 01/09/2020 15:59

‘It calls all of her past activism into question IMO.’

It really doesn’t. Those child abusers are in prison because they are guilty.

There is definitely a pattern of you trying to discredit victims and linking to sites that are attempting to undermine victims.

scabbles · 01/09/2020 16:21

Hoodathunkit

You are basically naming a load of people off the internet as conspiracy theorists and slagging them off based on not much really. Lots of 'whataboutery'

And yes slagging Maggie Oliver is particularly despicable. She put her career and life on the line to do the right thing. She stood up for vulnerable children and continues to do so.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 16:23

Research is what some of the people you are accusing do. They come up with a proposal, it goes in front of an ethics board, they get approval, they conduct the research, it is peer reviewed and then published.

Just worth quoting this again

How many consultants and experts in ethics are involved with these vile networks?

Well there's the notorious Linda Fleur Fisher for one. Former Head of Ethics for the British Medical Foundation

You can read all about her here

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170212000445/www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/11/carole-myers-satanic-child-abuse" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170212000445/www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/11/carole-myers-satanic-child-abuse

and on Carol's family's website here

www.justiceforcarol.com

There are other experts and consultants in ethics invovled with these networks too, just no time to post about them now

That's the problem with peer review when there exists a pseudo-academic network of peers all cross referencing one another and all promoting the same bullshit

There is definitely a pattern of you trying to discredit victims and linking to sites that are attempting to undermine victims.

There is definitely a pattern of me trying to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of real and false narratives about sexual abuse and sexual exploitation.

Now with regard to gromming gangs, as a survivor of trafficking who has worked with survivors including one of the earliest and most vulnerable girls to have been exploited by such gangs, I know a lot about this subject.

Having said that I will openly state there is a lot I do not know about.

I do know that Maggie Oliver has for some time been associating with and promoting seriously abusive fake child abuse activists.

I think that this should be investigated by the police.

I do not for one moment doubt that women and girls get trafficked, I survived it myself and have worked with survivors. I know that grooming gangs exist and have reported them to the police when i have encountered them.

What is quite apparent to me right now is that sinister actors, many of them with an extreme far right agenda are astroturfing the "survivors" and anti-grooming activist groups for their own sinister agendas and that Maggie Oliver is supporting them even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are involved in abuses against vulnerable people.

All Maggie Oliver has to do is to step up to the plate and say she made a mistake.

Alternatively she can carry on riding the wagon of fake activism even as the wheels come off.

Her choice.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 16:29

You are basically naming a load of people off the internet as conspiracy theorists and slagging them off based on not much really. Lots of 'whataboutery'

I am linking to evidence of Oliver's involvment with conspiracy theorists

its is there on her own twitter feed a few days ago. I even posted a screen shot incase she removes her tweet.

Here is is again

As I said previously, anyone can make a mistake.

The ball is in Maggie Oliver's court.

That's it from me for now

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Stripesgalore · 01/09/2020 16:44

‘There are other experts and consultants in ethics invovled with these networks too, just no time to post about them now

That's the problem with peer review when there exists a pseudo-academic network of peers all cross referencing one another and all promoting the same bullshit.’

As opposed to you trawling YouTube for the truth? You are spouting conspiracy theories. Psychotherapy is a massively diverse area; they are not all promoting the same ideas.

‘There is definitely a pattern of me trying to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of real and false narratives about sexual abuse and sexual exploitation.’

It doesn’t have anything to do with you. Maggie Oliver doesn’t have to ‘step up to the plate’ to respond to a bunch of allegations you are making about her because you are not in any kind of relationship with her, or any of the other public figures who you keep claiming are in a psychotherapy cult.

These people are known and regarded for their work in child protection, ethics or research. You are not in this story. You are watching it on YouTube.

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 17:29

It doesn’t have anything to do with you.

It has everything to do with me.

I am a trafficking survivor, a child sexual abuse survivor, a survivor of torture. I was extremely vulnerable and sought help from a variety of mental health professionals and, as a result, was invitied to believe that I had been abused by a satanic cult.

When I suggested that this was ridiculous I was told that the fact I didn't remember it was proof that it happened and was too traumatic for me to remember.

When I stated that I did not believe the completely impossible claims of satanic cult related activity recounted by another vulnerable woman (who claimed to have DID) I was accused of being a paedophile protector, a paedophile and a satanist.

This was not really helpful for me as someone who had experienced significant trauma and was feeling extremely fragile and in need of proper support and help.

Maggie Oliver doesn’t have to ‘step up to the plate’ to respond to a bunch of allegations you are making about her because you are not in any kind of relationship with her, or any of the other public figures who you keep claiming are in a psychotherapy cult.

Maggie Oliver has implicated herself with her own social media. You are correct that she does not have to do or say anything to explain herself. One day she will have to exlain herself, at least if there is any justice in the world.

These people are known and regarded for their work in child protection, ethics or research. You are not in this story. You are watching it on YouTube.

Are you talking about consultant in medical eithics and former Head of Ethics of the British Medical Association Dr Linda Fleur Fisher?

Are you seriously claiming that she is "known and regarded for her work in child protection, ethics or research"?

If you are seriously claimign that I invite you to listen to a recording of Linda Fleur Fisher to Diamond Car Insurance in which she behaves in a wicked and unethical manner.

I did not make the recording. It was obtained by Carol's heartbroken family as part of their courageous mission to uncover the truth of their beloved sister and daughter's abuse at the hands of Fleur Fisher, Valerie Sinason and associated quacks prior to Carol's unexplained and mysterious death. The Felstead family's struggle continues to this day.

Please do provide your own thoughts on the recording of "esteemed and reputable ethics expect" (lol) Dr Fleur Fisher who made this phone call in the days following Carol's death.

Thanking you in anticipation of your response

justiceforcarol.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/phonerecording.mp3

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 18:45

Stripesgalore and scabbles

Regarding consultant in medical ethics and former Head of Ethics of the British Medical Association Dr Linda Fleur Fisher, and her associate Valerie Sinason who you seem to believe as "known and regarded for their work in child protection", could you please provide your thoughts on this video featuring Carol's brother Dr Kevin Felstead.

In the video Kevin describes his family's struggle to discover the truth about Carol's "treatment"at the hands of Fleur Fisher, Valerie Sinason and other quacks, in which she was brainwashed into believing that her family were a satanic cult, prior to her mysterious death.

In the days following her death Dr Fleur Fisher stole Carol's possessions, appropriated her car, attempted to have Carol's excess car insurance paid into her own bank account and attempted to have Carol cremated without her family's knowledge. Do you think that this is an ethical way to behave?

Just to be clear the police fully investigated all the allegations that Carol was brainwashed into making against her family and all of the allegations were proved to be untrue and impossible. All of them.

Valerie Sinason for beginners
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Sinason

Please do share your thoughts on the ethical and well regarded Dr Fleur Fisher and her associate Valerie Sinason. I would love to read them before I get round to posting about the next expert in ethics involved in this network.

Thanks again in anticipation of your response

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 20:02

Still no opinion on that renowned ethics consultant Dr Linda Fleur Fisher?

Dr Fleur Fisher was a director of Privacy International, the anti-surveillance organisation founded by Simon Gordon Davies, for 10 years between 2002 - 2012

source
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/zPDzj7Wy0XvaU6VuoZETh8LhRfc/appointments

There is currently a global manhunt in operation to find the founder of Privacy International, Simon Gordon Davies, who’s is accused of multiple historic sexual offences against children.

source

it gets extremely interesting when you discover that Simon Gordon Davies was also involved in founding a project called Code Red, you can see him in a video at the launch of Code Red here

The blurb beneath the video says:

"The launch of Code Red - taking the global anti-surveillance movement to the next level. In late 2014, a group of the world's most renowned privacy activists, whistleblowers, technologists and legal experts joined forces to work on the development of a global initiative to fight surveillance. Led by privacy veteran Simon Davies and former MI5 intelligence officer Annie Machon, the project has developed into the Code Red initiative. Its aim is to create the next evolutionary step in the growing movement to curb excessive government power. The project will build bridges between the technology, media, legal and policy worlds and will become a strategic hub for the many activists working in this arena. Code Red will also create a clearing house for information in the anti-surveillance movement and will support whistleblowers and sources.
Con: Simon Davies (founder Privacy International), Annie Machon (whistleblower), Annie Machon"

Child sex abuse charty scammer and SRA hoaxer Belinda McKenzie used to the the landlady of Annie Machon and her then partner David Shayler.

Shayler went on to declare himself "the Christ" via his new self the transgender spiritual leader Dolores Kane.

Annie Machon is a long time 9/11 Truther and conspiracy theorist on a range of issues.

All of this really begs the question, why do Sonia Poulton, Anna Brees and ther ilk never, ever expose the paedophiles, predators and scammers in their own ranks?

hoodathunkit · 01/09/2020 20:46

For readers unfamiliar with Annie Machon, David Shayler and Belinda McKenzie, some links of interest

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html

www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/meet-no-planers

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-court/highgate-company-investigated-for-posing-as-child-abuse-charity-and-sending-donations-to-uk-fugitive-1-4165612

hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/2018/06/26/explosive-new-info-about-belindas-knight-foundation/

This is the really fascinating thing - there are so many paedophiles, scammers and sexual predators involved in these conspicacy promoting networks that it would make a rich vein of research for any journalist or documentary maker.

Yet Sonia Poulton, Anna Brees and their ilk never, ever report on these people. Instead they choose to work alongside them promoting antisemitic and Isalmophobic conspiracy theories.

Why in the name of all that is sane and rational? Why?

PhilSwagielka · 02/09/2020 01:00

@Stripesgalore

Hoodathunkit, making accusations about Maggie Oliver is particularly awful, and you seem to do it on multiple threads. It is due to Oliver’s persistence that so many girls are no longer victimised by grooming gangs.

What you are doing and asking others to do isn’t research. Reading conspiracy blogs and watching YouTube videos then making allegations about people is not research.

Research is what some of the people you are accusing do. They come up with a proposal, it goes in front of an ethics board, they get approval, they conduct the research, it is peer reviewed and then published.

Wasn’t Oliver the one who exposed what was going on in Rotherham?
longwayoff · 02/09/2020 22:22

David Shayler? I recall him being as doolally as David Icke so many years ago. He's made a career out of it too? Blimey.Confused