Media blackout on marches happening today

[orangesnapples]

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

I think what we can gather from this thread is that there is a fine line between conspiracy theory and reality.

There’s a pretty huge line between “All the world leaders except Trump are part of a global conspiracy to sacrifice children to Satan in exchange for supernatural powers, and that’s why they’re so powerful, because Satan’s doing it” and “pedophiles are sadly very common, all different kinds of men from all kinds of jobs and backgrounds and religious beliefs molest children, by extension some of them happen to be Pagan and maybe use elements of that in the abuse.”

From the trial of that particular case. It wasn’t just two people.

So it was a pedophile ring. Not a “Pagan coven.”

It was ritualistic abuse in a paedophile ring, as the judge says.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pair-jailed-over-witches-coven-ritualistic-sex-abuse-8417739.html%3famp

A further article on the case from the guardian.

You will see that your argument is pretty much the same as the defences’:

‘Sean Brunton, defending Petrauske, compared his client with the victim of "a witch-hunt".

He told the jury how "medieval justice" was used to torture and kill people who behaved strangely or differently as soon as others began to point the finger or accusation.

"Don't fall into the trap of thinking: 'Who does he (Petrauske) think he is? He's obviously a weirdo'," Mr Brunton said.

"While those who don't follow the crowd are criticised, it's not yet illegal to be a weirdo.’

I have personal knowledge of a local pedophile ring that was linked to an am-dram society a local elite private school known for its drama department. The predators deliberately sought out environments attractive to child actors, and exploited their victims’ ambitions to pursue professional acting careers as a way of silencing them. Same as how sexual predators are often drawn to Hollywood, the Catholic church, Scouts, junior sports coaching, etc. etc. etc.

I’m not going round banging on about how am-dram societies are actually pedophile fronts.

The lesson here is that predators use anything they have available to them (their job, their religion, their status) to find, exploit and silence victims. Not that Paganism/am-dram/Scouts/football is inherently dodgy or abusive.

You will see that your argument is pretty much the same as the defences’:

What complete and utter rot, and how fucking dare you tell an actual child trafficking/CSA survivor that they are exactly the same as pedophile-defenders for standing up to this ludicrous conspiracy theory nonsense (which actively harms real child abuse victims) about how Pagans are child abusers.

And the prosecution said, based on victim testimony:

[[Prosecutor Jason Beal said some of the assaults took the form of rituals with the young girls' wrists tied.

Mr Beal said: "(One victim) was taken to a house where pagans were present, Jack Kemp was present and 'German Pete' (Petrauske) was also there.

"She was given alcohol, told to dance in front of the camera, and take her clothes off."

When Petrauske was arrested last year, detectives discovered daggers, sheets, candles and a mask, the court heard. He immediately mentioned the names Kemp and - in a dramatic twist in the case - Solheim.‘

Again, why are you so obsessed with this one single case, just because one of the men convicted happens to claim to be a pagan?

He didn’t molest children because he’s a pagan. Pagans are no more and no less likely to molest children than anyone else.

I personally know of three convicted pedophiles who are/were linked to am-dram and used the am-dram to access and silence victims. I’m not going around preaching conspiracy theories about how am-dram is linked to child abuse.

Do you not see how this fixation with eviiiiiiiil pagans harms real child abuse and trafficking victims?

You are not standing up against conspiracy theory nonsense. You are using QAnon as cover for denying that ritual abuse exists, that pagan ritual abuse exists and that dangerous satanic groups exist.

I can only counter your claims by providing newspaper reports. I can only counter your claims that I am misrepresenting the case by quoting from the case.

Just as if someone claimed QAnon followers have never shot anyone, I would provide news reports demonstrating they had, and if someone argued the church had never abused anyone, I would provide new reports that it had.

If you claim something doesn’t happen, it isn’t whipping up hate for someone to respond by linking to reports that it does happen.

I have linked many times to this one single case because you suggested that I had misrepresented it.

I could link to many more cases if you would prefer, but presumably then you would accuse me of whipping up hate against pagans

I haven’t mentioned QAnon at all. I’ve not mentioned lots of things you keep bringing up. In fact some of the things you’re fixated on are things I’ve never even heard of before.

Please stop telling lies about me. All I ever said was that the Satanic Ritual Abuse of the specific type the religious extremists/conspiracy theorists fixate on, does not exist. There is no evidence that this specific type of widespread ritual abuse exists.

There is no evidence that widespread “Pagan Ritual Abuse” or “Satanic Ritual Abuse” exists. A small number of loan wolf pedophiles (or pedophiles working in pairs or small groups) exploiting Pagan/Satanic imagery is not SRA and has nothing to do with the theories these protestors are pushing.

I have worked in protecting children and being an advocate for child abuse survivors for 20 years. Part of that work involves educating people about the realities of how predators operate.

Your posts promote an agenda which actively harms children. Please stop/

@boltzmannbrains I'm so sorry to hear you're a trafficking/CSE survivor

I don't know if you have ever approached the authorities with your case or not in a quest for some justice.

For those that have approached the authorities with their cases of ritualistic abuse can you not see how utterly damaging it could be to their case if ritualistic abuse isn't believed to be a real thing?

It doesn't matter if the abuser is a pagan or a dentist, what matters is that this abuse exists and there is difficulty in achieving justice for victims with the complete denial of this type of abuse.

If you claim something doesn’t happen, it isn’t whipping up hate for someone to respond by linking to reports that it does happen.

But you haven’t. None of the things you’ve linked to (ordinary common or garden pedophiles who lie about having magic powers to control victims, or who happen to have an interest in paganism) have anything to do with systemic Satanic Ritual Abuse. Neither of those cases had anything to do with Satan-worshipping at all.

I could link to 50 cases of school teachers being convicted of abuse. I’m not pushing conspiracy theories that schools=child abuse.

I’m willing to bet there is a heck of a lot more child abuse perpetrated by members of the Catholic Church than satanists and pagans combined.

scabbles, I don’t think you understand me. I’m not denying that some abusers introduce ritualistic elements into their abuse (either as a tactic to frighten and intimidate their victims, or less commonly because the abuser genuinely believes in it).

What I am denying is that large numbers of authority figures are involved in widespread ritual abuse specifically because they worship Satan.

People who sexually abuse children do so because they are sexually aroused by it. They don’t do it because Satan makes them.

There is a huge, huge divide between the theories the protestors are spreading, and the reality of how pedophiles who use ritualistic elements in their abuse operate.

I am not saying you mentioned QAnon. This thread is about the protests, which it is very clear includes people from QAnon. They are holding up QAnon signs on the demonstration.

QAnon believe that a satanic cabal of Hollywood people and liberal politicians are eating children to gain youth from adrenochrome. This is clearly all preposterous.

A range of people have come on to this thread to use the ridiculousness of these claims to argue that child trafficking isn’t really a problem, that psychotherapists are a cult and various other untrue claims.

You have used the ludicrousness of the satanic claims discussed to claim ritual abuse isn’t a real issue, and that pagans are not scary or dangerous and not involved. Nobody had ever even mentioned pagans until you brought it up.

You have misrepresented that trial - claiming no coven, only two involved, not really a pagan, despite the reports of testimony to the contrary.

What possible benefit to you is it to deny the testimony of victims of ritualistic child sex abuse, reported in the papers and ending in conviction?

Why would ritual abuse victims come forward if even you, who works with survivors, is claiming that even when the perpetrators have been found guilty, you don’t think their version of events is true because the convicted perpetrator says it wasn’t a pagan ritual?

@boltzmannbrains I don't think @Stripesgalore is pushing the theory that all pagans are ritualistic abusers. She has highlighted a case where a ped ring ran from a coven and ritualistic abuse we inflicted-on the victims.

Your argument that satanic abuse is not widespread doesn't negate the fact that it's a reality.

You're insistent that it isn't a reality but you have been provided with proof that it is.

If we were discussing whether pedophiles exist in schools or the Catholic Church and proven cases were provided would you deny that abuse took place in these organisations or that this abuse even existed? I doubt it so why the insistence on denial of ritualistic abuse?

This is clearly all preposterous.

REALLY?? You’ve certainly changed your tune, considering that the entire argument I’ve been having with you is over you defending those conspiracy theories and claiming that Satanic Ritual Abuse and Pagan Ritual Abuse are widespread (not sure why you keep bringing up Pagans or why you conflate Satanism with Paganism), like the threat to children is from evil evil Paganists, and not pedophiles who will exploit any job or status or belief system and dress their abuse up in any way possible to access and silence victims.

The victims in the articles you linked to are not victims “of Paganism.” They are victims of MEN. Men do not rape children because they worship Satan. They do it because they are pedophiles.

Literally no one has denied that “ritualistic abuse” ie pedophiles using ritualistic elements exists. No one.

‘I’m willing to bet there is a heck of a lot more child abuse perpetrated by members of the Catholic Church than satanists and pagans combined.‘

Absolutely.

Beyond that, there have been people specifically abused by churches because the churches believe they have been possessed by their new age or occult activities.

A church in America through an autistic child into a box of snakes to rid him of demons.

There was also the terrible case of Victoria Climbie - horribly abused because her ‘carers’ because she was possessed.

Exactly. Real abuse by real abusers is what we should be focusing on.

Not conspiracy theories about Satan worship that exist to defend genuine abusers, detract attention from real abuse, and scapegoat.

I used to work in the House of Commons and tbh there is basically some sort of protest going on most days. Demos only really make the news if they are huge, v topical or violent.

@boltzmannbrains

None of those cases involve “Satanic ritual abuse” but individuals or small numbers of ordinary common or garden pedophiles exploit Satanic imagery.

I don’t want to disrespect people’s religious beliefs but Satan does not exist. The idea that Satan is giving powerful people the magical or other worldly help to rule the country is fantasy. There is enough human evil in the world without attributing more evil to supernatural sources.

And at its root the ideas of Satan and Jesus are predicated on Biblical literalism and religious extremism, which are linked to far right ideologies and antisemitism. That’s why those people worship Trump despite his clear responsibility for child trafficking: because they believe that his actions over Israel will lead to the second coming of Jesus Christ.

You said it didn't exist here.