Media blackout on marches happening today

[orangesnapples]

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

I don’t think anyone on this thread is suggesting Satan exists!

I highlighted those cases specifically because they are not satanic. They involve paganism, something you seemed to suggest was just a bit alternative and harmless.

One of the cases was a genuine coven. The other is using the trappings of the occult to manipulate victims. Both exist.

Scabbles, yes, that is really well put!

The conspiracy and the counter conspiracy!

And now both worse because any crazy person can make a YouTube video about their ‘research.’

www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/faith-based-abuse/

Here is a definition of faith based child abuse. It states:

It can take place for some of the following reasons
• abuse as a result of a child being accused of being a ‘witch’
• abuse as a result of a child being accused of being possessed by ‘evil spirits’
• ritualistic abuse which is prolonged sexual, physical and psychological abuse
• satanic abuse which is carried out in the name of ‘satan’ and may have links to cults
• any other harmful practice linked to a belief or faith

"What do we want?"

"We don't know"

"When do we want it"

"Soon"

Why are these guys not protesting against girls being taken out of the country to be married off or to undergo FGM I wonder?

But if they did that everyday stuff then they wouldn't be special, would they Flamingo. They like to think that they know something that the general population is too thick, or too controlled to see for themselves. It's both dangerous and sad.

That’s literally exactly what I said above. A lone pedo lying to a child about having power (whether political power or physical power of supernatural power) as a way of intimidating them into staying silent is not Satanic Ritual Abuse.

I agree, boltzmannbrains. Real satanic ritual abuse is vanishingly rare, if it exists at all. The people who do this don't really believe what they say, but rely on vulnerable victims believing it.

I highlighted those cases specifically because they are not satanic.

Then why use them in order to argue against me saying Satanic Ritual Abuse (in the very specific meaning that conspiracy theorists are using it) does not exist?

The other is using the trappings of the occult to manipulate victims.

Literally what I said?

Here is a definition of faith based child abuse. It states:

Faith-based child abuse is a million miles away from the SRA conspiracy theories. Focusing on outlandish theories about royals and politicians sacrificing children in return for supernatural powers takes attention away from and discredits real faith-based abuse.

Why does it matter whether the abuser believes it or not?

A large part of abuse is grooming and manipulating victims and what matters is the impact on the victim.

@knittingaddict how do you know that real satanic abuse is rare?

I pointed out earlier that given the conspiracy theories and counter conspiracy theories that it must be incredibly difficult for victims to come forward and feel like they will be believed and achieve justice. Your statement buys into that.

Just because there are low numbers of actual cases that have been successfully proven, does not deny its existence.

‘Then why use them in order to argue against me saying Satanic Ritual Abuse (in the very specific meaning that conspiracy theorists are using it) does not exist?‘

I haven’t argued against that and it wasn’t what you argued.

I was pointing out that there are pagan ritual abuse cases, because you were writing that off.

The rest of what I have posted is about counter conspiracy theorists who believe in an enormous cult/ cabal of Satan fighting child abusing psychotherapists.

I am in no way suggesting you believe or participate in that.

@boltzmannbrains

I highlighted those cases specifically because they are not satanic.

Then why use them in order to argue against me saying Satanic Ritual Abuse (in the very specific meaning that conspiracy theorists are using it) does not exist?

The other is using the trappings of the occult to manipulate victims.

Literally what I said?

Here is a definition of faith based child abuse. It states:

Faith-based child abuse is a million miles away from the SRA conspiracy theories. Focusing on outlandish theories about royals and politicians sacrificing children in return for supernatural powers takes attention away from and discredits real faith-based abuse.

Your last paragraph states that the conspiracy theories are a million miles away from what faith based child abuse is. I didn't say it was or it wasn't.

I simply gave a definition as provided in the link of faith based child abuse. Within that definition is an outline of satanic abuse as a method of faith based abuse.

I'm not sure what your point is. I have stated that the conspiracy theories are/can be far removed from reality but that there are elements of truth attached to the crazy inferences.

And I think all of this is where things fall into a culture war. People either want to point the finger at the left, alternative cultures and immigrants or they want to point the finger at the right, therapists and Christians.

Predators don’t only exist in the groups we personally don’t like.

This thread is about far right wing conspiracy theorists who believe that there’s a huge cabal of royals and politicians and other powerful figures engaging in mass ritual abuse of children in exchange for supernatural powers, and the fact these conspiracy theories are linked to dangerous religious extremism and antisemitism.

That simply does not exist.

The fact that a number of ordinary common or garden “lone wolf” pedophiles use Satanic imagery as a control tactic, or possibly believe in those things themselves, is totally irrelevant because that is not what the conspiracy theorists are talking about. No one is denying that pedophiles exist, or that pedophiles use all kinds of different tactics to intimidate victims - I don’t know why you keep reciting my own points back to me.

The reason SRA narratives harm children is because genuine predators tend to hide behind facades of respectability, and will try to find and exploit people who are outsiders to use as scapegoats.

The vast, vast majority of people who are into paganism are not pedophiles. The majority of pedophiles are ordinary men who have regular jobs and appear to the outside world to be “normal.”

The fact that a tiny number of pedophiles also coincidentally happen to be Pagans (the fact they are pedophiles is nothing to do with them being Pagan) doesn’t mean that Paganism is inherently dodgy. I’ve known two convicted pedophiles who were both heavily involved in am-dram, does that mean am-dram is inherently suspicious?

Whipping up hatred against people who are “alternative” or whatever is a classic example of dissembling and using scapegoats so the real predators can hide in plain sight.

Nobody is whipping up hatred against pagans or claiming they are inherently dodgy.

There are however pagan right wing groups who are anti Semitic and there are pagans who ritually abuse children. We are discussing pagans because you introduced them into the thread as an example of people who are neither scary nor dangerous.

Here is an example of a far right racist occult group:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/23/army-attack-ethan-melzer-satanic/%3foutputType=amp

The thread is about the lack of media coverage around the protests that have taken place regarding child trafficking. Most agree there's a conspiracy theory rhetoric attached to this movement.

There are conspiracy theories and counter conspiracy. But there are elements of truth also. Separating the wheat from the chaff is difficult.

I understand your defence of a belief system such as paganism. You're completely entitled to do so.

But you have stated that satanic ritual abuse, either doesn't exist or is incredibly rare. I'm not sure you can make statements like that without proof and the lack of proven cases does not deny its existence or give credence to how rare it is.

It is listed as a type of abuse by the met. It is a particularly under reported type of abuse.

This thread has nothing to do with Pagans so I have no idea why you keep banging on about it.

You said upthread that a particular case involved “a genuine Coven” and that simply was not true - it was two men, ordinary common or garden pedos, one of whom denied any involvement or interest in paganism - who teamed up to molest children which is not uncommon.

Nobody is whipping up hatred against pagans

That is literally what you are doing, and it’s not only irrelevant to the thread topic (far right wing conspiracy theories about powerful cabals sacrificing children to Satan) but it’s dangerous in muddying the water and supporting a narrative that genuine predators exploit to scapegoat others so they can hide in plain sight.

there are pagans who ritually abuse children.

There are teachers who abuse children. There are dentists who abuse children. There are chartered accountants who abuse children. There are bin men who abuse children. There are bus drivers who abuse children. There are lawyers who abuse children. There are bird watchers who abuse children. There are mountain climbers who abuse children. There are football fans who abuse children. Child abusers come in all shapes and sizes.

For anyone wanting to know more about QAnon I really recommend the QAnon anonymous podcast ( an anti QAnon podcast)

The podcast reports on QAnon and other conspiracy theories, explaining why they are incorrect and why and how they are radicalising quite disparate groups.

If we are talking about ritual abuse, I think it is reasonable to look at groups that practice rituals. Dentistry is not a ritual.

‘You said upthread that a particular case involved “a genuine Coven” and that simply was not true - it was two men, ordinary common or garden pedos, one of whom denied any involvement or interest in paganism - who teamed up to molest children which is not uncommon.’

In the article, Petrauske said he was a white witch and high priest of a coven. Other people claimed to be in a coven with him. The victims described a coven. How is that not involving a coven?

There is zero evidence to suggest that Paganism is inherently linked to child rape, and your insisting on demonising pagans, in conflating paganism with Satanism, and in misrepresenting cases reported in the press is very disturbing.

If a dentist or a football fan abuses a child no one tries to create an anti-dentist outcry or claim that person molested children because they are a dentist. A dentist who molests children is a pedophile who just happens to also be a dentist. A paganist who molests children is a pedophile who just happens to also be a pagan.

I think what we can gather from this thread is that there is a fine line between conspiracy theory and reality. But the facts are

A) child trafficking is real
B) Ritualistic abuse, whether satanic or not is real

In the article, Petrauske said he was a white witch and high priest of a coven. Other people claimed to be in a coven with him. The victims described a coven. How is that not involving a coven?

One of the two convicted men was into paganism. The other man wasn’t, and there’s nothing to indicate that any of the other members of the coven had any involvement in or knowledge that one of their members was a pedophile.

Replace “Coven” with “Am-Dram group” or “Football club” or anything else and see how it reads.

‘Judge Cottle told them: “You are two of the surviving members of a paedophile ring, together with others whose names have been repeated frequently in this trial who were members of a ring that operated in Falmouth in the Seventies and Eighties.

“I’m satisfied that you have both had a lifelong sexual interest in young, female children.

“I’m satisfied that you have both had a lifelong sexual interest in young, female children.

“It [the trial] has featured ritualistic, sickening abuse of young, young children. The scars left on (two victims, who cannot be named for legal reasons) are so obvious that it would seem extremely unlikely that either of them have any real prospect of recovery.‘

From the trial of that particular case. It wasn’t just two people.