Media blackout on marches happening today

[orangesnapples]

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

I Find with a lot of these things, somewhere at the root is one good point. Then they all get muddled up when they start with the conspiracy’s.
Then no main stream media will touch it as they don’t want to be mared with the rest of the beliefs.

I was looking on Twitter at the back to school stuff. There were some good points, however when filled with vax conspiracies, covid camps and “bull dozing your house” you don’t want to associate with that level of crazy.

‘Curious and curiouser.‘

If you are not part of QAnon, and just an interested person who might look into it, why are you already using the QAnon Alice in Wonderland sayings?

I will say again the QAnon has been listed as a domestic terrorist threat by the FBI, and that QAnon members have shot people and have abducted children due to the adults’ belief in this conspiracy.

Many of these adults are going to require deradicalisation, and there must be great concern over how some of them are going to respond when this ‘great awakening’ fails to happen and Trump cannot produce 1000s of ‘deformed’ children rescued from tunnels under Central Park, stage a military coup etc.

It is an enormous distraction from the actual problem of child trafficking, including child trafficking for elites, especially given Trump’s relationship with Epstein and Maxwell.

It not only causes radicalisation of people who believe in the adrenochrome/Satan cult, but also of people who believe the opposite- that ritual abuse never happens and that there is a therapist conspiracy. Both these groups include people who are a danger to others and people who are extremely vulnerable.

Interesting. These marches do seem to have been set up with the conspiracy theory rhetoric that is doing the rounds through qanon. I've always dismissed the conspiracy theorists as complete nonsense.

I recently cane across an abuse survivors account of satanic ritualistic abuse being used on her as a child in the UK. Her account was horrific. Totally incomprehensible. But I believe her.

I think to the normal person this type of abuse is so horrific that the human mind can't comprehend such evil exists and so we shut it down and shut the thought out. But this type of evil does exist so I therefore have to ask could the level of child trafficking inferred be beyond the realms of possibility. I think not personally.

The numbers of children they think are being trafficked aren’t unrealistic.

Some of the delusional elements of it are that

A. Trump is going to end child trafficking and end the deep state.
B. Q is a government insider giving his followers secret information about this child trafficking.
C. Q followers know who the perpetrators are.

It is similar to if people said many children are forced to fight in armed conflict and this is orchestrated by the Welsh civil service. The first part is true and a serious issue. The second part is deranged. And it would then create both conspiracy theorists that hate the Welsh and counter conspiracy theorists who deny child soldiers are really a major issue.

If Trump had even the slightest interest in stopping child trafficking he’d close down the migrant camps and stop taking children away from their parents in incarcerating them into a system where they are not recorded and can’t be traced if they go missing.

Trump is probably personally responsible for more child trafficking cases in the USA than anyone. But it’s migrant children, and funnily enough the protestors don’t seem to give a shit about anyone except nice little white American kids.

Good point @Stripesgalore the use of Trump as part of the rhetoric is what I think completely disreputes the point of the movement and makes it difficult for most reasonably thinking people to understand that child trafficking and horrendous abuse does happen, even in the UK.

@Stripesgalore
Yes you said much eloquently what I was trying to say.
There is often some truth and good points made, but the minute you start with the crazy aspect (like blaming bill gates for stuff, whilst typing it on your windows pc). You lose the good point, and people won’t want to be associated with the crazy aspect.

That's what fucks me off, it's a serious issue but these idiots are turning it into some whackaloon conspiracy theory about drinking blood and kids being hidden in furniture and mole people. They're taking away from actual charities who are trying to help trafficking victims. I'm going to quote what an actual trafficking survivor said about them. (AvriSapir on Twitter if you want names.)

^As child sex trafficking survivor, the Wayfair conspiracy is beyond offensive & infuriating. I was trafficked in NYC by my own dad, & eventually in a child brothel in Queens. Forget about insane conspiracies: pay attention to the trafficking going on in your own neighborhoods.
"I wasn't abducted & shipped in boxes through a complex international scheme. I worked street corners in the East Village & Flushing; I took taxis or the subway to dates all across the city; I was raped in hotels, studio apartments, brownstones, parked cars.
"These people don't actually care about trafficking, they just want drama, headlines, and conspiracy. They don't care about the kids being trafficked in their own schools & churches, because the realities of trafficking aren't as "sexy" as the conspiracies they invent on Reddit.
"They're doing more harm to survivors by pretending to care about fake conspiracy theories like Wayfair than if they didn't acknowledge trafficking at all, and I'm frankly sick of it.
"To all the conspiracy nuts getting mad in my replies, please leave me alone. By attacking an actual trafficking survivor in defense of your conspiracy, you're just further proving my point that you don't actually care about victims. I'm hiding & blocking all of you now, bye"

Incidentally, Edward Colston was a trafficker. How many of these people were defending his statue, I wonder?

And before I forget: "Why do you think they're antisemitic, PhilSwagielka?" Here's an article that goes into detail: forward.com/news/national/451647/just-how-anti-semitic-is-qanon/

The thing about child satanic ritual abuse is that it really does not exist, or at least not in the way conspiracy theorists claim. By which I mean, large groups of powerful and influential people do not worship Satan and do not gather for elaborate rituals.

There are certainly some people in the world who are attracted to all that Aleister Crowley stuff and consider themselves Satan worshippers, but they tend to be more similar to Pagan or Wiccan types. People who are generally “alternative” who find comfort or empowerment in going into a forest and reciting a ritual they found online, or lighting candles on an altar. There’s nothing scary or dangerous about it. Since Satan obviously doesn’t exist. Most people who are interested in that kind of thing tend to be more outsider types; the idea that Hilary Clinton and the Queen are stripping naked to run around in a forest changing is just fantasy.

I suppose it’s possible that an individual sexual predator might decide to lie or to exploit Satanic imagery as a way of instilling fear into their victims to ensure their silence. It’s fairly common for pedophiles to lie and pretend to have links with law enforcement in order to convince their victims there’s no point in speaking up. So it’s not beyond the realm of possibility a pedophile might lie about this stuff for the same reason.

The real scandal with the SRA scandal was how many children were brainwashed and coerced into giving traumatic and emotionally damaging false testimony. The human memory is a very fragile thing; objective memory doesn’t even exist, and that’s why law enforcement and medical professionals have to be so careful in following proper procedure when it comes to interviewing victims or potential victims.

^ Great post PhilSwagielka.

The “save the children” mob don’t care about the realities of trafficking, only their lurid agenda-pushing fantasies. It’s sick.

It is flat, knitting, but only for a deluded minority who believe it is. Meanwhile, the rest of us have aching knees from negotiating all the hills and dales. And headaches from banging our heads in despair at the bs people are happy to believe. "I love the poorly educated" said Trump. Well, he would, wouldn't he.

@boltzmannbrains I feel really uncomfortable with disregarding the existence of satanic ritual abuse. As you say it may not be a whole hoard of rich and powerful people in a cult but to state it simply doesn't exist or may only be used by individual abusers seems particularly dangerously dismissive.

There were many that dismissed child sexual abuse was a thing and look what we know about that now.

The Jimmy Saville case is an example of how dismissing the accounts of survivors allows predatory abusers to continue with their abuse.

One of the ritual abuse cases in this country where the perpetrators went to prison was pagans meeting in a forest.

Many neo Nazi groups are pagan.

QAnon has spread beyond the right. Many new age influencers on Instagram are spreading QAnon.

Pizzagate is being spread by teenagers on TikTok.

Seen clips on social media of crowds shouting Andrew is a Pedophile outside Buckingham palace. I've seen zero coverage on mainstream news websites including BBC and Daily Mail (I read for the shock factor of the comments)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/witches-coven-child-sex-abuse-pair-jailed-10460711

It does happen.

Here is another case.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15567784.stanley-sexual-abuser-said-using-witchcraft-rid-child-evil-spirits/

One lesson that should be learned from the Saville and Catholic Church abuse cases are that every society should look at their sacred cows.

Where do we now think abuse would never happen? Among nice alternative hippies? By charities? That is where we will fail to have proper safeguarding. That is where the victims won’t be believed. As soon as a blind spot is created, that is where predators will flock to.

@Stripesgalore yes it does happen it seems. Like I said I don't go along with the Qanon stuff as it seems to muddy the waters. But the woman I mentioned earlier and her horrific account. I believe.

That's what fucks me off, it's a serious issue but these idiots are turning it into some whackaloon conspiracy theory about drinking blood and kids being hidden in furniture and mole people. They're taking away from actual charities who are trying to help trafficking victims.

I completely agree.
Why are these guys not protesting against girls being taken out of the country to be married off or to undergo FGM I wonder?

Both the satanic ritual cases posted seem to involve a small number of people, not half of Hollywood as is being claimed. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but I don’t believe it happens in the way Qanon would have you believe.

I think I made it clear before posting those cases exactly why QAnon are wrong.

QAnon is not the only conspiracy group out there. There are also people who believe that a cult of psychotherapists are abusing children through implanting false memories. These are very similar to QAnon in that their ‘evidence’ of the Psychotherapy cult comes from watching YouTube videos and message boards.

It should be quite straightforward to understand that

A. Satanic panic is a real, well documented phenomenon.
B. Ritual abuse is a real, well documented phenomenon.

@Stripesgalore

I think I made it clear before posting those cases exactly why QAnon are wrong.

QAnon is not the only conspiracy group out there. There are also people who believe that a cult of psychotherapists are abusing children through implanting false memories. These are very similar to QAnon in that their ‘evidence’ of the Psychotherapy cult comes from watching YouTube videos and message boards.

It should be quite straightforward to understand that

A. Satanic panic is a real, well documented phenomenon.
B. Ritual abuse is a real, well documented phenomenon.

Yes it's the age old conspiracy theory and counter conspiracy theory thing. But in the midst there is some truth.

How the hell do victims come forward and approach authorities when there is so much crazy rhetoric around this area. It must be be horrendous to try and get justice.

Are you talking about those kids who get beaten by church members for being 'witches'?

None of those cases involve “Satanic ritual abuse” but individuals or small numbers of ordinary common or garden pedophiles exploit Satanic imagery.

I don’t want to disrespect people’s religious beliefs but Satan does not exist. The idea that Satan is giving powerful people the magical or other worldly help to rule the country is fantasy. There is enough human evil in the world without attributing more evil to supernatural sources.

And at its root the ideas of Satan and Jesus are predicated on Biblical literalism and religious extremism, which are linked to far right ideologies and antisemitism. That’s why those people worship Trump despite his clear responsibility for child trafficking: because they believe that his actions over Israel will lead to the second coming of Jesus Christ.

From the link above:

“went on to use his claimed sorcery skills as a means of controlling and manipulating the vulnerable victim, who was too young and naïve to see through his stories.”

That’s literally exactly what I said above. A lone pedo lying to a child about having power (whether political power or physical power of supernatural power) as a way of intimidating them into staying silent is not Satanic Ritual Abuse.