Media blackout on marches happening today

[orangesnapples]

Is it me or is it not very strange that 1000s of people currently marching though our major cities today and no media coverage?

They are marching for our children's rights, to awareness to trafficking etc

Does the lack of coverage just play into the hands of those that accuse the media of being part of the problem.

They are currently peacefully marching to bring awareness because there sadly is hardly any awareness of trafficking, most people have the completely strep typical idea of what trafficking is, that is all some world wide elite club.
But the sad truth it looks very different, and is probably happening in a home near you right now.

So why no coverage. My SM is flooded with 1000s I f people walking the streets of Liverpool, London etc.

I don't want to believe there is darkness in control of our media and what we see etc but honestly I can't think for the life of me why this isn't being covered.

LastTimeRound, they are not usually being trafficked outside of the U.K., but within it.

Lasttimeround, the figures I am giving are for 2019. Yours are 2009.

If you used to research trafficking surely it must be well known to you that British children are the most common group of children trafficked in Britain?

Sorry I dont have my glasses. Here's their more recent report 2018 www.unodc.org/unodc/data-and-analysis/glotip.html
Child trafficking at 30%: 23%girls 7 % boys

It's hardly surprising that trafficking victims in Britain will be predominantly British. Most people in Britain are British. It is more surprising when the international definition of trafficking involves the crossing of an international border. So is that stat refining trafficking from its international law convention definition actually refering to child abuse cases? In which case again hardly astonishingthat most children abused in Britain are british . I'm finding it rather difficult to imagine a trafficking case in Britain involving a british child that meets the international law definition of crossing an international border. So if we are talking about child sexual abuse let's talk about that and not call it trafficking.

That isn’t the international definition of trafficking.

The report you just linked to says victims within their own borders are 58%

Here is the link to the UN definition of trafficking. It specifically says it does not to have to be cross border, and is from your preferred source:

[]www.unodc.org/unodc/en/human-trafficking/what-is-human-trafficking.html]]

www.unodc.org/unodc/en/human-trafficking/what-is-human-trafficking.html

That's true theres been a change on the border crossing thing. I guess that's why the stats are getting harder to interpret. I do find without element that I'm not sure what phenomenon the stats refer to without doing more contextual analysis. Which often seems close to impossible to do.

While I have no doubt that child and adult trafficking and slavery exist and are a problem I don’t think that a load of Millwall supporters encouraged by Tommy Robinson are concerned about it.

There were a LOT of people protesting at St George's Hall Liverpool yesterday.

There has not been a change. The same definition of child trafficking is in the 2002 report. A child only has to be moved minimally within their own country.

Yes it is as I wrote according to Home Office. And they are absolutely with regards to trafficked children.

Sexually exploited children figures are reported independently and tracked in other ways involving different agencies both on a UK and global level. Although both do also work with agencies like Interpol who also release (or used to) comprehensive figures on a global level including sources of info.

Both use two figures - those that are reported in other words evidence was in place/action taken.
Those that there are suspicions but nothing concrete for conviction/action taken.

Obviously it's more complicated because of the investigations required, but to be included in those figure, random member of public reports someone, initial checks are made, nothing found and they aren't included in those numbers, although of course details are kept on file for just in case. THey might be included in any figures that include all investigations.

Like I said pages ago, I have experience in this area. I've worked (legally) in trafficking and child exploitation on and off for about 30 years. Now I'm more involved in raising awareness publicly, and not through one of these batshit groups either. Over the years I have done a lot of work with CEOP/Thinkuknow, as well as other agencies including NHS, and not just in the UK.

It's why I would like to see this evidence people keep claiming is out there to back up peoples claims. This stuff keeps getting mentioned in those batshit groups, they never seem to be able to produce anything either, and on the rare times they do, it's been badly edited once you track down the original source, to meet their narrative.

Save our children is nothing about saving kids. They are using the wording similar to save the children to garner legitimacy. Any group that doesn't contain any info about what they represent, reputable sources of back up, also includes dominant figures/companies/charities within that field avoid them. And just because the group might follow those relevant things means nothing. I can follow anyone I want to to deceive others into believing something (used to be part of my job)

What is it with Liverpool and conspiracy theorists lately? First the anti-vax/anti-mask match and now this.

@canigooutyet as I said upthread, I asked a DFLA member for organisations that might be useful re trafficking and the guy just linked me to a conspiracy theory video about the Illuminati. Youtube videos are NOT a reliable source. Any nutter can make one and post it.

These groups are developed from QAnon. You can see people holding up Q signs in the photos on this thread.

QAnon followers have been classified as a terrorist threat by the FBI, have shot people and have abducted children.

It used to be the case that trafficking cases, rightly or wrongly, were predominantly recorded only in instances where a border was crossed. There were moves to make that a less rigid distinction which has merits in lots of ways. Particularly when traffickers avoided prosecution by staying within borders. The problem once you do it this way round is you get lots of variance in your data depending on how law enforcement records abuse. This varies a lot between countries as to what of that you call trafficking in your stats. Arguably the moment you drive a child anywhere and abuse them its traffickibg. Much of that however has little to do with trafficking as it's generally thought of. Ir was generally thought of. It's possible this change alone is responsible for the big rises you see in the stats on child trafficking. Potentially all we are seeing is the effect of this changed definition in practice (or the change in the practical application of the definition). Its exasperating because it makes comparison across jurisdictions unreliable, or even more unreliable crime and law enforcement data is generally tricksy.. It also makes the stats really hard to interpret in terms of what they can tell us about what's actually going on. And I'm honestly unclear how this change in definition and recording gets us any way further in tackling the underlying offences - assault abuse battery rape. The change seems to me just to make it more difficult to disentangle is trafficking going up, is child abuse going up. Are we just seeing the impact of pulling those 2 definitions closer together? Are we actually seeing improvements in policing?
But I dont think that March and the people involved in it have spent any time thinking any of that through. Its lucid and depressing for anyone who actually works on this

Lurid not lucid.

There has not been a change. The definitions do not change. They are written into international conventions and protocols. To change the international definition would require a new convention to be agreed upon and signed by multiple countries.

I do not think the distinction between child abuse and child trafficking is at all confusing.

@PhilSwagielka
Oh I agree also about youtube any nut can make up anything. Same with all SM, we all have the things at home to make and upload anything we want to. It's only when they break laws within that country and it's reported correctly does anything get done.

The only time I reference youtube, outside entertainment, is if it's from legit sources. Same with other sites.

Like FB and Twitter, post after post about reported posts staying up, yet there are ways outside of sm to report, same with the spam bank emails etc. Things like this yes it is down to the individual to do their own homework to know not only how to keep themselves safe online for example, but also that of their children, it's all part of stranger danger or at least should be.

It's info like that I would expect to see on any legit group claiming to work with protecting children or whatever, and their legit logos etc on their official webpage. And now of course, loons will go and try and do this, but thankfully it's easier to get websites closed down or whatever.

When the poster claimed a source I used was debunked I asked for credible source, had they are any other poster provided anything I would have objectively looked at it. When you work in this type of area you have to. It's more than just numbers on a page, or words on a screen after all.

If a parent kidnaps their child or arranges the kidnapping of their child it's various charges relating to those offences that are given in that country. The legal process to get the child back to their parent/guardian also varies depending if it's a convention country or not.

However, if the investigation finds that the child is being taken for the purposes of trafficking, then those additional laws also apply. Procedures for the child to be returned home vary unlike the above.

If the parent takes them for the purposes of abuse, then those additional laws then apply. Again, procedures differ for the child to be returned home.

In each event they are recorded on their individual merit and not grouped together.

If they were all grouped together it would make investigations harder. People would be reluctant to come forward if they were reporting trafficking compared to a kidnapping even though essentially they are both kidnappings.

[quote canigooutyet]@PhilSwagielka
Oh I agree also about youtube any nut can make up anything. Same with all SM, we all have the things at home to make and upload anything we want to. It's only when they break laws within that country and it's reported correctly does anything get done.

The only time I reference youtube, outside entertainment, is if it's from legit sources. Same with other sites.

Like FB and Twitter, post after post about reported posts staying up, yet there are ways outside of sm to report, same with the spam bank emails etc. Things like this yes it is down to the individual to do their own homework to know not only how to keep themselves safe online for example, but also that of their children, it's all part of stranger danger or at least should be.

It's info like that I would expect to see on any legit group claiming to work with protecting children or whatever, and their legit logos etc on their official webpage. And now of course, loons will go and try and do this, but thankfully it's easier to get websites closed down or whatever.

When the poster claimed a source I used was debunked I asked for credible source, had they are any other poster provided anything I would have objectively looked at it. When you work in this type of area you have to. It's more than just numbers on a page, or words on a screen after all.[/quote]
No, I understand, my brother works for the Home Office and he deals with adult trafficking victims, mainly from Eastern Europe (e.g. Albania). A lot of them are women who have been brought over here to work in brothels. Of course, they're adults and foreign and have come over here via a network of smugglers and people who confiscate their passports and lie to them about the nature of their 'jobs', and it's not as exciting as secret pizza parlours, so QAnon aren't arsed about them.

I find lack of coverage at the protest at Buckingham Palace right now interesting / terrible.

Is this a Save Our Children march Jinx? If it is, it isn't terrible. It's the only sensible thing to do.

These are the Save Our Statues nutters aren't they? Give them a very wide berth OP before they ask you why the statue of George Eliot, a true English man, is wearing a skirt.

@longwayoff

These are the Save Our Statues nutters aren't they? Give them a very wide berth OP before they ask you why the statue of George Eliot, a true English man, is wearing a skirt.

Pretty much. The Democratic Football Lads' Alliance are involved and they were the same people protecting statues. Including Earl Grey, who was ANTI-slavery.

Got it Phil, thanks. And I take it they are also protesting against Wayfair who apparently abduct children and turn them into flatpack furniture or some such twaddle? Bloody hell.

Pretty much. The Democratic Football Lads' Alliance are involved and they were the same people protecting statues. Including Earl Grey, who was ANTI-slavery.

Those statue muppets did make me laugh, half of them don't even know who the person was, let alone what they did or why there's a statue of them.