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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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Shamoo · 20/08/2020 21:31

And yet, people still say they would vote Tory in the polls. It really is mind blowing.

Windyjuly · 20/08/2020 21:31

Monkey ours used Google meet and hangout
. I too never heard of these. We had 45 min lesson on it then went live, mostly with great success.

Shitfuckoh · 20/08/2020 21:32

@latticechaos Grin Grin Grin
So, did you teach year 1 last year?
If so, you are the reason why my child came home saying dog poo none stop for weeks, aren't you?!

Well if teachers are being blamed for everything, I'm sure going to blame that on you too Wink

TaxTheRatFarms · 20/08/2020 21:32

@Theredjellybean

Does anyone stop and think that NO One, literally no one alive and in power has ever dealt with a public health emergency of this scale before? I am sure there are lessons to be learnt for everyone, every country, every government but really and truely... Do you keyboard warriors reckon you'd have got it all right? Well bully for you... Frankly I am appalled at the quick lack of empathy, support and national spirit... Nothing is going to easy going forward but playing the blame game will eat up public resources. Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further
Well, wherever Boris is, he’s got an internet connection. Grin
SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 21:32

spanieleyes

Noted. Maybe I’ll just make point 3 “teachers are bastards” to cover all the gripes about us?

mummag · 20/08/2020 21:33

Everyone deserves protection from the virus.

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2020 21:34

[quote Shitfuckoh]@latticechaos Grin Grin Grin
So, did you teach year 1 last year?
If so, you are the reason why my child came home saying dog poo none stop for weeks, aren't you?!

Well if teachers are being blamed for everything, I'm sure going to blame that on you too Wink[/quote]
Laughed out loud at your post and then saw your user name and thought

"It could have been worse "

🤣

monkeytennis97 · 20/08/2020 21:35

@Theredjellybean

Does anyone stop and think that NO One, literally no one alive and in power has ever dealt with a public health emergency of this scale before? I am sure there are lessons to be learnt for everyone, every country, every government but really and truely... Do you keyboard warriors reckon you'd have got it all right? Well bully for you... Frankly I am appalled at the quick lack of empathy, support and national spirit... Nothing is going to easy going forward but playing the blame game will eat up public resources. Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further
Oh my God what??!! A few years ago the government (the Tory government)did a mock up for a pandemic. Civil servants are paid and it is their job to have a handle on this and ministers are briefed. If Johnson had actually gone to the cobra meetings that might have helped. I am a humble secondary school teacher but even I could have made better choices than this government.
Cookiecrisps · 20/08/2020 21:36

@Theredjellybean I haven’t seen much empathy for school staff on many MN threads outside of the staffroom.

netflixismysidehustle · 20/08/2020 21:36

@Theredjellybean

Does anyone stop and think that NO One, literally no one alive and in power has ever dealt with a public health emergency of this scale before? I am sure there are lessons to be learnt for everyone, every country, every government but really and truely... Do you keyboard warriors reckon you'd have got it all right? Well bully for you... Frankly I am appalled at the quick lack of empathy, support and national spirit... Nothing is going to easy going forward but playing the blame game will eat up public resources. Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further
We had 2 weeks between Italy and Spain getting hit badly and things kicking off in the UK. It is unacceptable that those 2 weeks weren't used effectively.

Of course nobody would have got things 100% right but Johnson's incompetent leadership, indecision and bluster has cost too many lives and instead of learning lessons and planning, the government continues to react to each crisis which costs more money and lives.

monkeytennis97 · 20/08/2020 21:36

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Danglingmod · 20/08/2020 21:37

Oh, yes, the maybe £100 saved on petrol to a few sports fixtures will have covered one week's postage on the work packs home.

Clav - if school leaders and business leaders and finance staff are saying "we spent more money, not less, during this period" why would you not believe them, based on a comparison with an entirely different country and system (where they closed schools and we didn't, for a start... Hmm)?

Mumratheevergiving · 20/08/2020 21:38

@Theredjellybean so better we all turn a blind eye then!? As for not needing an enquiry even Johnson recognises one is required (he just doesn’t want to hold it yet).

You may say people are placing blame others may say they are calling for accountability (something this Government are expert at avoiding).

Shitfuckoh · 20/08/2020 21:39

@itsgettingweird Grin

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:40

I'm still surprised at people not realising that spending 6 hours in a room with 30 children, teaching multiple classes in secondary or in cover / specialist roles in primary, is different to dropping off a parcel or serving a customer in a shop. Viral load is far far greater due to breathing the same air and touching the same surfaces for sustained periods. In my school the children wash their hands at least 6 times a day (not fun lining up 30 x 5 year olds at the sink but we will do it) plus sanitiser when we can but the virus will spread quickly in an overcrowded classroom, even with windows open, limited shared resources etc. It's a completely different environment to other workplaces where stricter measures are in place.

Danglingmod · 20/08/2020 21:41

I really, really wish we had sinks in secondary classrooms... We have hand gel (supplied by us) - that's our only protection!!!

ilovesooty · 20/08/2020 21:42

@Khadernawazkhan

What utter drivel. Look at the unions who have shown just how much they despise children and use any crisis to hold the country to ransom. They are wicked.
Bingo. I was sure that was coming.
Clavinova · 20/08/2020 21:42

"Given that children are at low risk of infection and their outcomes when infected are good, the main concern about opening schools is that teachers can spread it among each other" ...

"For schools to open safely, therefore, the focus should be on minimising transmission between teachers" ...

My advice would be to wear a mask on Inset Day, in staff meetings, in the school office...

mummag · 20/08/2020 21:43

@Bluewavescrashing

I'm still surprised at people not realising that spending 6 hours in a room with 30 children, teaching multiple classes in secondary or in cover / specialist roles in primary, is different to dropping off a parcel or serving a customer in a shop. Viral load is far far greater due to breathing the same air and touching the same surfaces for sustained periods. In my school the children wash their hands at least 6 times a day (not fun lining up 30 x 5 year olds at the sink but we will do it) plus sanitiser when we can but the virus will spread quickly in an overcrowded classroom, even with windows open, limited shared resources etc. It's a completely different environment to other workplaces where stricter measures are in place.
I can't understand how people don't get this either.
netflixismysidehustle · 20/08/2020 21:43

Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further

Boris has done more to divide the country than just about any PM in modern history. I would not blame Scotland for wanting Indyref2 because Westminster has not delivered on even uniting North and South of England never mind respecting the other nations.

You need to read Johnson's nasty rhetoric from last year. He would not tone down his vile them and us language even when told that he needs to unite not divide.

What about the taxpayer money he's wasted on PPE that doesn't work from Liz Truss' advisor's mate, scandalous Test and Trace costs (still no app!!) and having Dido Harding in another top job?

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:43

@Danglingmod I'm primary (teaching in up to 15 classes per week in a cover role) and I think secondary teachers have got the rough end of the deal here. There needs to be separate guidance for primary and secondary schools. They are completely different environments.

Shitfuckoh · 20/08/2020 21:44

For all you voting YABU & all the ones now adding in their Johnson defence, let's just remember that this guy had such a handle Grin on this virus that he thought he was incovidable & shaking hands when we were all told Social Distancing was the thing to do.

portico · 20/08/2020 21:44

TaxTheRatFarms
I said “some” teachers. What do you mean by “deregister”.

Besides, I had. A home plan in place for my Y10 and Y12 which was buggered up by their teachers’ rigid insistence that we piss about with their lite work, when in fact we were trying complete all syllabuses. Apart from Economics and RS, we have done that.

Teachers are important, but like most professions they have similar percentages of the great, good, average and the sub standard.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/08/2020 21:45

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Clavinova · 20/08/2020 21:45

Clav - if school leaders and business leaders and finance staff are saying "we spent more money, not less, during this period" why would you not believe them

I shall be looking out for those figures when they are published in the Autumn.

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