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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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FlySheMust · 20/08/2020 21:18

I see the U4T trolls are fiddling with the vote.

Of course you are not being U. Well articulated, noble. I'm very worried how next term will go. And glad I'm retired and don't have to deal with it.

alloverthisnow · 20/08/2020 21:18

@AskDan YANBU...and amongst It all Boris has disappeared again.

You will enjoy these then, the Daily Star has turned itself into a political critique.

This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:19

You missed this bit clav

In the direction we received on 31 March 20208 it was confirmed that ‘[i]n order to mitigate the risk to standards as far as possible, the approach should be standardised across centres’ and that distribution of grades should follow a similar profile to that in previous years

monkeytennis97 · 20/08/2020 21:20

Also zoom had known issues. Teachers followed the guidance from Heads re live lessons. I started doing live and pre recorded lessons on the instruction of my Head which I think was after May half term. As I am not a Head I can't say why this didn't happen straight away (I'd never even heard of the conferencing system we used before we partially closed so had to learn how to use it and teach on it from scratch the day after school partially closed).

Northernparent68 · 20/08/2020 21:21

Monkeyennis97, why do teachers deserve better protection than nurses, delivery drivers, shop assistants etc ? And what risk is there exactly ? How is teaching via zoom risky ?

lifeafter50 · 20/08/2020 21:21

At our school all the cleaning consumables (loo roll, paper towels, disposable gloves, plastic aprons etc) were donated to the NHS. We had pre purchased enough for several months.
Well that was a ridiculous thing to do.
The NHS is a service e, not a charity. And schools have no business to reallocate their resources elsewhere. Appalling lack of judgement.

Iamnotthe1 · 20/08/2020 21:21

@Clavinova

Iamnotthe1 Slightly out of date figures (2015-2016) - no savings here?

"Spending on supply teachers rises to £1.3 billion."
"Local authority maintained schools spend greater share of budget on supply teachers than academies, according to figures published today" [2017]

Without running the numbers, I couldn't say definitively but I'd imagine not for two main reasons:

Firstly, supply work has changed a lot in the last five years with more schools having to deal with cover in-house in order to avoid paying for a supply teacher.

Secondly, and probably more importantly, in many instances the cost of supply is covered by insurance. If a member of staff is absent for three days, the insurance kicks in and funds the supply so a chunk of that referenced £1.3 billion won't actually be from schools' budgets but from insurance companies instead.

MoiraRosesTransAtlanticDrawl · 20/08/2020 21:22

Felt like this for years, which is why I have homeschooled for years.

Namechange2020onceagain · 20/08/2020 21:22

This "Government" is so bad, I can't think of a single thing that they have done right. Does anyone have any positive Tory stories they can share?

alloverthisnow · 20/08/2020 21:22

Oops, screwed the photos up. Maybe I deserve a position in the cabinet for my incompetence, here they are...

This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids
Busybee143 · 20/08/2020 21:25

As a teacher I'm horrified at the way we will be working in 2 weeks time, no ppe, it's completely out of order. I'm going to limit my time with my family just incase I pass something on, this breaks my heart!

SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 21:25

Ok, I’ve skimmed the thread. Arguments against the OP:

Unions are wicked
American schools saved money
Teachers are lazy bastards who wouldn’t do Zoom

Did I miss any?

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2020 21:27

Spot on.

But all Boris can manage in the topic is blah blah bluster blah.

Well not even that currently because he's in holiday.

My ds said today.

I beg Boris comes and speaks to us all in 3 years time when he wants our vote Grin

Then asked if telling him to fuck off was acceptable BlushShockGrin

spanieleyes · 20/08/2020 21:27

I think someone slipped in " why should teachers have PPE when no one else does"

Busybee143 · 20/08/2020 21:28

@Northernparent68 my classes had work set weekly for every hour they missed with me and then we used a platform to create a virtual classroom once a week. We want schools to be open but we want it doing safely as possible. FYI if you go into a hospital ppe is required there will be no ppe in some schools

portico · 20/08/2020 21:28

I watched breakfast TV and most kids seemed stunned at their inflated grades. I would not trust some of the teachers given the stats on the inflated grades achieved today. Exams must be sat, no matter what!

Cookiecrisps · 20/08/2020 21:29

@Northernparent68 why do they deserve worse protection than nurses, delivery drivers and shop workers?

We will have no social distancing in the classrooms of my school due to space. We are not allowed to wear masks or visors (neither are the children) which help to mitigate risk to the delivery drivers and nurses. We will not have Perspex screens like many shop workers. I have been told to sit next to children to read with them so closer than 1 metre. Again no visor allowed. Children 11+ have to wear masks in indoor spaces including shops and public transport but not in schools. What is the reasoning for this?

School staff are asking for consideration to be put into opening as safely as we can so that we can stay open. Our guidance boils down to wash your hands more and hope for the best.

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2020 21:29

No one should be embarrassed to be a teacher in 2020.

It's a very hard job as it is and you should be proud to have survived it.

I said on another thread it's not just the MH of the students I'm worried about this year.

monkeytennis97 · 20/08/2020 21:29

@Northernparent68

Monkeyennis97, why do teachers deserve better protection than nurses, delivery drivers, shop assistants etc ? And what risk is there exactly ? How is teaching via zoom risky ?
Nurses- had PPE although this government managed to cock that up umpteen times as well. Massive respect for nurses.

Delivery drivers- not in contact with as many bodies as teachers (I am a secondary school teacher so coming from that standpoint), able to SD from delivery points, able to have ventilation and I would imagine (as they did when dropping things off to me) able to wear PPE.

Supermarket workers- SD enforced for customers from beginning, Perspex screens, now masks and limiting numbers in shops.

We are not asking for more, just the same protection as others.

Regarding zoom I think it was hacking/safeguarding fears but my school didn't use Zoom so I can't say definitively.

Mumratheevergiving · 20/08/2020 21:29

Ah 202o the summer of educational catch up
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/boris-johnson-promises-huge-amount-of-catch-up-for-pupils-to-be-announced-next-week/amp/
Still waiting...

Icingandflowersonthecake · 20/08/2020 21:29

Yanbu. I think that’s crystal clear, and doubly demonstrated by the total inability of anyone to formulate a reasonable argument against the OP.

It’s depressing, actually, how right you are!

TaxTheRatFarms · 20/08/2020 21:30

@portico

I watched breakfast TV and most kids seemed stunned at their inflated grades. I would not trust some of the teachers given the stats on the inflated grades achieved today. Exams must be sat, no matter what!
If you don’t trust the teachers, just deregister! Simple! Smile
Clavinova · 20/08/2020 21:30

You don't appear to realise for a start that where children are entitled to school transport it's the Local Authority which pays.

Many schools will have saved money not using school mini buses - fuel costs to sports matches etc.
I think I heard that science practicals are to be scaled back as well - another cost saving for secondary schools.

Theredjellybean · 20/08/2020 21:30

Does anyone stop and think that NO One, literally no one alive and in power has ever dealt with a public health emergency of this scale before?
I am sure there are lessons to be learnt for everyone, every country, every government but really and truely... Do you keyboard warriors reckon you'd have got it all right?
Well bully for you...
Frankly I am appalled at the quick lack of empathy, support and national spirit... Nothing is going to easy going forward but playing the blame game will eat up public resources. Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further

Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:31

Also :

Am I right in thinking that we're still awaiting the "further DfE guidance" on music & singing that was due to be published "shortly"?

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