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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:45

Shouldn't have bothered with enquiries into WMD, Bloody Sunday, Stephen Lawrence and Hillsborough then?

SummerSummerSummertime · 20/08/2020 21:46

Totally agree OP.

Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:46

Or Iraq , or Grenfell or the infected blood enquiry. Or Mad Cow Disease.

All too expensive...

Cookiecrisps · 20/08/2020 21:47

@Clavinova we are not allowed to wear masks at all whether in the classroom or other areas of the school with children or adults. My head teacher told us the reason why - the gov guidance says we don’t require it.

Danglingmod · 20/08/2020 21:48

Blue waves - sorry for the blatant sympathy begging, there. That was shoddy of me. I don't think we should start debating with each other about who has it better or worse Flowers.

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:48

Yes, it does look bad, but it is very easy to criticise. Everyone who voted YANBU could stand for parliament and run the country.So why don't you become an MP instead of criticising?I don't know why anyone would even consider becoming an MP.They and their families are threatened and abused.So we should be grateful that anyone wants to do it.

Oh, please. What a weak argument.

Leafyhouse · 20/08/2020 21:49

Sorry OP, but YABU. Threads like this make me sad. They represent the worst side of social media - inflammatory headlines such as 'Tories don't give a shit about children', echo chambers where 89% of people agree with the OP, people baiting YABU voters with 'how could you?' 'come on, justify yourself' 'another YABU voter's gone silent - coward' etc.

And yet - the Conservatives have won consistently for 30 of the last 40 years. So despite all the Covid fuck-ups (they got some things right, some things wrong), but electorally, you can't fault them - they're doing something right.

Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:50

Schools have not even been refunded for the exam entries for the exams the students didn't do...if you want to look at wasteful spending you are looking in the wrong place.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender

FinallyHere · 20/08/2020 21:50

#NoShitSherlock

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 20/08/2020 21:51

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Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:51

@Danglingmod I didn't read your post as fishing for sympathy at all. It hadn't crossed my mind that secondary classrooms might not all have sinks. This is exactly the sort of thing that the DFE should have been consulting with teachers about. They have made up their own wishy washy 'guidance' that is simultaneously impossible to adhere to and also ineffective and it shows they never actually go inside a bloody school! What are they being paid for?! Useless.

Feelingconfused2020 · 20/08/2020 21:52

portico

I watched breakfast TV and most kids seemed stunned at their inflated grades

Breakfast TV...
Sample size..
Nature of the child who is prepared to find out results on live TV...

I can't be bothered writing In full sentences frankly.

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:52

They win electorally because people are scared of paying higher taxes, mainly.

SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 21:52

And yet - the Conservatives have won consistently for 30 of the last 40 years. So despite all the Covid fuck-ups (they got some things right, some things wrong), but electorally, you can't fault them - they're doing something right

Whataboutery.

Do you think the list in the OP is inaccurate? If it’s not, then do you think they are the decisions of a competent government who are working through a strategy?

noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 21:52

Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further

Wait what? I thought I was doing a MN poll. Confused

Maybe I’ve got more power than I thought?

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SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 21:54

wishy washy

I see what you did there Blue.

Sinks...no? Just me....

ilovesooty · 20/08/2020 21:54

@Leafyhouse

Sorry OP, but YABU. Threads like this make me sad. They represent the worst side of social media - inflammatory headlines such as 'Tories don't give a shit about children', echo chambers where 89% of people agree with the OP, people baiting YABU voters with 'how could you?' 'come on, justify yourself' 'another YABU voter's gone silent - coward' etc.

And yet - the Conservatives have won consistently for 30 of the last 40 years. So despite all the Covid fuck-ups (they got some things right, some things wrong), but electorally, you can't fault them - they're doing something right.

Do tell about this government's positive achievements . I think I've missed them.
Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 21:55

Ooh I made a pun without realising! Grin

Peregrina · 20/08/2020 21:56

Frankly I am appalled at the quick lack of empathy, support and national spirit... Nothing is going to easy going forward but playing the blame game will eat up public resources. Do you know how much a public effing enquiry costs? And divide the country further

Frankly I am appalled too, at this argument. Most of us were obeying the lockdown at some considerable personal cost, until Dominic Cummings decided to drive the length of the country and then Boris Johnson allowed him to make excuses.

Eat up public resources - well of course, that would mean less public money for their chums to waste, wouldn't it?

Some countries have handled it better. Some have said they know they have made mistakes but they have tried to learn from them. We have had a constant parade of three word slogans, and I don't know how many U-turns.

SmileEachDay · 20/08/2020 21:57

Maybe I’ve got more power than I thought?

Yeah, you were out in charge of hitting the public enquiry switch.

If was in the updated guidance.

But I’m not telling your where, or which version.

Iamnotthe1 · 20/08/2020 21:58

@ILoveAllRainbowsx

Yes, it does look bad, but it is very easy to criticise.

Everyone who voted YANBU could stand for parliament and run the country.

So why don't you become an MP instead of criticising?

I don't know why anyone would even consider becoming an MP.

They and their families are threatened and abused.

So we should be grateful that anyone wants to do it.

Actually, I think that's part of the problem: there's been too much of a rise in career politicians. It would be better if becoming an MP was something someone did after already working more extensively in the wider world. It would be more common to see people with a range of professional backgrounds (more than just spending two years in a role). I'm sure it used to be like that but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Piggywaspushed · 20/08/2020 21:58

My DS wasn't stunned at his inflated grades this morning. He was just this thing called 'happy'. The media will film the ones who are most photogenically and obediently 'very happy' whilst saying' oh my God, I don't believe it'!

Bluewavescrashing · 20/08/2020 22:01

All MPs involved in education should have experience in education. Retired teacher, Ofsted inspector (shudder), governor. Why is this not a minimum requirement?!

Molly500 · 20/08/2020 22:02

Yanbu and I agree. I feel so sorry for teachers having to put up with this shit show and all the hours of work they must have had to put in every time some moron in government makes a badly thought out announcement.

cantkeepawayforever · 20/08/2020 22:03

My advice would be to wear a mask on Inset Day, in staff meetings, in the school office...

Where i work:

  • Inset days will be done outside, or in SD small teams, because we cannot all safely be in a single room.
  • There will be no staff meetings, except outside, for the same reason.
  • The school office has a perspex screen

HOWEVER, as soon as the children arrive, 2 adults and 33 children are supposed to be entirely safe in a single room with relatively poor ventilation (though I am lucky to have one of the very few classrooms without blown air heating, and where the only windows are not at the back of the classroom actively blowing what the other 34 people in the classroom breathe out at me...)

Of course adults in school will take the steps they are allowed to take to protect themselves from each other. What we are actively not allowed to do is in any way mitigate the risks that the children bring in from their households, share amongst the class and with me, and take home to their households (many of which contain vulnerabkle adults).