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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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CeciliaCi · 21/08/2020 21:34

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cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 21:35

If you think there will be zero transmission in schools you are misguided. Sorry.

Of course. I am expecting significant transmission in schools, and via schools, as it seems are you. Which is why I am wondering why you think it is so unacceptable to try to reduce this transmission, in order to keep more schools open more of the time, to get that 'equal access to education' that I know you want. A child in isolation because of in-school transmission is not getting an 'equal access to education', nor is the class whose teacher is isolating at home after a positive test.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 21:37

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

I am hoping that *@noblegiraffe* will take over from the idiot know as Big Gav.

Between him, the DfE, and OFQUAL they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery even if they were given the keys and everything laid out for them.

Well noble you'd get my vote.

We need someone who can summarise well and make pertinent pints with simple solutions.

How do you fancy working alongside Boris.

I hear he's not around much - does that help WinkGrin

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 21:38

@cantkeepawayforever

If you think there will be zero transmission in schools you are misguided. Sorry.

Of course. I am expecting significant transmission in schools, and via schools, as it seems are you. Which is why I am wondering why you think it is so unacceptable to try to reduce this transmission, in order to keep more schools open more of the time, to get that 'equal access to education' that I know you want. A child in isolation because of in-school transmission is not getting an 'equal access to education', nor is the class whose teacher is isolating at home after a positive test.

That's cool. I have no argument against reducing transmission lol

I just don't support face masks or SD in schools. For the many reasons I've stated.

cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 21:38

However the risk of covid to kids less than many other infections

Of course. Which is why teachers are so conflicted - we know that the children we teach - with the exception of the children with compromised immune systems, cystic fibrosis etc - are unlikely to be very ill. We know we are the people who are most at risk within the school environment, and that is why come september we will all be in school, taking that risk.

It doesn't make it acceptable that the low risk to children is the ONLY factor mentioned, though, does it?

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 21:38

Points not pints!

FrippEnos · 21/08/2020 21:38

@noblegiraffe

Updated list. In true DfE style, I have reissued the entire list and will not be telling you where the changes are.

Evidence

  1. Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

  2. Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

  3. Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

  4. Claimed responsibility for setting up an online school that had actually been set-up by teachers, merely because they chucked some money their way. Forgot to tell schools about the online school so many had no idea that it existed. Forgot to advertise it to parents even though it was exactly the sort of thing many parents were asking for.

  5. Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

  6. Said that they would provide free laptops to disadvantaged kids so that they could access schoolwork, then only provided a tiny proportion of the laptops required because they incorrectly assumed that each school already had 280(!) laptops of their own. The woefully inadequate amount of laptops provided didn’t arrive until the end of the summer term rendering them pointless.

  7. Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

  8. Announced that primaries would reopen to 3 year groups only, as getting parents of those year groups back to work was more important than the education, mental health and wellbeing of the other 4 year groups. Announced that Y10 and 12 would have ‘some face to face support’ without clarifying what that meant

  9. Took ages to release the guidance for reopening pushing back Y10 and Y12 opening.

  10. Released guidance at the last minute meant that carefully laid plans by schools had to be scrapped and restarted. Guidance was repeatedly updated but with full versions released each time and no tracking of changes so time was wasted trying to find out what was new.

  11. Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

  12. Neglected responsibility towards children with SEN and disabilities, EHCPs weren’t to be followed, update/transition meetings were cancelled and parents were left without respite.

  13. Issued guidance for childcare settings very late and only for some types of provider

  14. As lockdown eased, completely forgot about re-opening baby groups for new mothers so guidance wasn’t issued and they had to stay closed

  15. Promised massive funding for a GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP which hasn’t happened. Now pencilled in for November, but they don’t appear to be organising it.

  16. Promised an army of retired teachers to tutor kids as part of the GREAT SUMMER CATCH-UP now downgraded to recent graduates hired through govt approved agencies, with schools having to pay 25% of the costs.

  17. Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

  18. Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

  19. When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

  20. Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year. Many students who now qualified for their university places had lost them due to the delay

  21. Delayed Level 2 BTEC results the day before they were due to be released

  22. Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

  23. Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

  24. Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

  25. Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

  26. Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

  27. Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

  28. Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school. Withdrew free bus travel for kids in London.

  29. Reintroduced fines for not sending your kids to school, even if your kid is clinically vulnerable and knowing that schools aren’t Covid-secure.

Re-posting just to remind us all of the point of the thread.
itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 21:39

Well done I've been trying but no ones answering me Grin

Stop feeding them

cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 21:40

I just don't support face masks or SD in schools.

So what are the effective anti-transmission mitigation processes that you use every day in your workplace that we can adopt in schools, learning from the Covid ward?

FrippEnos · 21/08/2020 21:42

itsgettingweird

I wonder if MN could make it a sticky at the start of every teacher thread for a couple of months.

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 21:43

Between him, the DfE, and OFQUAL they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery even if they were given the keys and everything laid out for them.

I was just thinking about this. Is there anyone in the government on top of their brief? Getting on with things like a quiet batperson?

Gavin - no
Boris - invisible
Grant Shapps - so hated by the Dept of Transport they imposed quarantine on Spain to avoid him for two weeks
Priti Patel - omg
Liz Truss - summat about Brie
Dominic Raab - Dilbert Principle
Matt Hancock - LOL
Rishi - hmm, I enjoyed my dinner but money for schools?

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PineappleUpsideDownCake · 21/08/2020 21:44

Wow. Completely agree with the OP but seeing it all written out like that is shocking.

And Ill hear mums in our mainly w/c area blame teachers as they finish work at 3....

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 21:44

@cantkeepawayforever

However the risk of covid to kids less than many other infections

Of course. Which is why teachers are so conflicted - we know that the children we teach - with the exception of the children with compromised immune systems, cystic fibrosis etc - are unlikely to be very ill. We know we are the people who are most at risk within the school environment, and that is why come september we will all be in school, taking that risk.

It doesn't make it acceptable that the low risk to children is the ONLY factor mentioned, though, does it?

I get that. Based on antibody testing approximately 50% of my colleagues have now been infected.

It just makes it hard to hear excuses that schools can't reopen as teachers may also get infected.

We're all public servants...

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 21/08/2020 21:44

And the wankers still haven't released the BTEC results! It is an absolute disgrace.

But they have updated advice on how kids get to school on the sly .....

Anyway they all switched off their computers at 3pm and will do bugger all until 11am Monday by which time teachers will still be replanning schemes of work etc to reflect curriculum changes.

They are all twats. I hope I have made my opinion clear

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 21:45

@FrippEnos

itsgettingweird

I wonder if MN could make it a sticky at the start of every teacher thread for a couple of months.

Give it a few weeks/months and noble can frame that list with a beautiful artistic heading entitled "I told you so" with perhaps a nice picture of child poking out their tongue just to stick to the school theme!

People who argue with absolute facts are those that could argue with themselves in an empty room.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 21:46

@noblegiraffe

Between him, the DfE, and OFQUAL they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery even if they were given the keys and everything laid out for them.

I was just thinking about this. Is there anyone in the government on top of their brief? Getting on with things like a quiet batperson?

Gavin - no
Boris - invisible
Grant Shapps - so hated by the Dept of Transport they imposed quarantine on Spain to avoid him for two weeks
Priti Patel - omg
Liz Truss - summat about Brie
Dominic Raab - Dilbert Principle
Matt Hancock - LOL
Rishi - hmm, I enjoyed my dinner but money for schools?

You forgot my darling MP who is part of their out of touch with reality group.

The darling attorney general.

Dohorseseatapples · 21/08/2020 21:49

Agree with everything in your OP

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 21/08/2020 21:51

Oh and we have forgotten Gove and the unelected Cummings who are giving out government contracts to their mates to support OFQUAL.

Public First who whatever they are called - another bunch of twats.

Bupkis · 21/08/2020 21:52

@askmehowiknow

We have had our answer from school - in or fines.
We will consider deregistering (I have had to give up job anyway), but I think it will be too risky, considering we have fought for years for a decent EHCP, we are in transition year, are hoping for special school and, according to IPSEA, If the child has an EHC plan, choosing to electively home educate means that the LAno longer hasa legal duty to secure any special educational provision which was specified in the child’s EHC plan, because the parents are deemed to be making their own suitable alternative arrangements.
Risks and benefits, eh?
Honestly, sometimes it feels like I'm shouting into the void.

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 21:54

The 'darling' attorney general @itsgettingweird

Are you serious?!

This would be the BAME en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suella_Braverman

Who yo are calling darling.

Have some respect

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 21:54

Gavin - no
Boris - invisible
Grant Shapps - so hated by the Dept of Transport they imposed quarantine on Spain to avoid him for two weeks
Priti Patel - omg
Liz Truss - summat about Brie
Dominic Raab - Dilbert Principle
Matt Hancock - LOL
Rishi - hmm, I enjoyed my dinner but money for schools?
Suella Braverman - put Dom Cummings above the law
Gove -

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 21/08/2020 21:57

@askmehowiknow

The 'darling' attorney general *@itsgettingweird*

Are you serious?!

This would be the BAME en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suella_Braverman

Who yo are calling darling.

Have some respect

They are still twats - your honour
Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 21:57

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Oh and we have forgotten Gove and the unelected Cummings who are giving out government contracts to their mates to support OFQUAL.

Public First who whatever they are called - another bunch of twats.

I love how Cummings has also just given a contract to a company around AI which actually had clear connections with him. It's not even money to mates anymore: he's essentially pocketing public money.

I understand the justification for stripping out the tender process for contracts but it has enabled this Government (and other unelected officials) to engage in corruption the like we've not seen in decades.

It really does feel that they are taking what they can while they can incase they can't get in again.

thatsforsure · 21/08/2020 21:58

its not just education they have fucked up - they have made a mess of everything apart from lining the pockets of their mates

They are a fucking disgrace and everyone who votes for them at the next election is a twat

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 21:59

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