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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 20:03

But our la did send questionnaires to parents prior to summer holidays about who required la transport, who could transport themselves etc and I think plan was to offer mileage to parents and use staggered drop offs this way.

There were certainly plans anyway!

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 20:03

Why dont they want them on public transport?

Because social distancing on buses means if there are kids on, there won’t be any seats left for people going to work.

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Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:04

You missed Mrs Gove, noble.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 20:05

@Piggywaspushed

Because public transport is still running on reduced timetable . It also brings them into contact with other people and they have to SD. They don't need to SD on school buses because, like schools, they have magic walls.
Oh yeah I was failing in my duty to remember the magic Covid walls.

Latest report.

Must.try.harder Wink

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 20:05

@noblegiraffe

Why dont they want them on public transport?

Because social distancing on buses means if there are kids on, there won’t be any seats left for people going to work.

There will be an increase with teachers using public transport anyway. From the looks of things, I'll be on 4 buses and 2 trains each day... fun...
cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 20:05

for all children to have equal access to education

For all children to have equal access to education, all schools need to open and stay open.

That means that as few children, and as few adults, associated with any school need to become ill as possible AND that Covid rates in every communi8ty must stay low.

One way of making sure that we achieve this is for schools to be covid-safe for pupils and teachers - which is all that the unions are asking for.

You and the unions, and all teachers on here, want EXACTLY the same thing. There is no difference. We all want pupils and teachers safe in schools so schools stay open once they are open.

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 20:06

Not guidance Iam. There’ll be An Announcement.

Then the guidance will change a random number of days later.

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:06

The DfE told schools and LAs to survey the parents. They duly did it. Six weeks later the DfE announced there was some money but no one knows what they are to do with it and how.

As with the Mancunian laptops , any LA who ahs sorted this out is usually working despite the government, rather than with.

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 20:07

@cantkeepawayforever

for all children to have equal access to education

For all children to have equal access to education, all schools need to open and stay open.

That means that as few children, and as few adults, associated with any school need to become ill as possible AND that Covid rates in every communi8ty must stay low.

One way of making sure that we achieve this is for schools to be covid-safe for pupils and teachers - which is all that the unions are asking for.

You and the unions, and all teachers on here, want EXACTLY the same thing. There is no difference. We all want pupils and teachers safe in schools so schools stay open once they are open.

Well I think unions want SD. Masks. Flexible schooling.

Err no!

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 20:07

Yeah that makes sense noble

I'm so out of touch with transport and Secondaries.

All mine come on la transport.

Ds went to school via shared taxi due to his ehcp.

College is a mile away and I didn't apply because still don't know how blended learning will work and maybe cheaper for ds to use taxis if I can't transport and his legs are bad.

Or the usual line "ring grandad" WinkGrin

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 20:09

@Piggywaspushed

You missed Mrs Gove, noble.
Or did I? WinkWink
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Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 20:11

@SmileEachDay

Sorry - totally my mistake. There will be an announcement made, after a few example announcements leaked to the papers the week before. The DfE will know nothing about it until it's on TV and then they'll have to write the guidance to meet the annoucement. When that proves to be impossible due to inconsistencies in what Boris/Gav/whoever says, there will be daily updates. The Government will then blame the schools for not instantly implementing them from the second the guidance was updated despite the fact that the DfE doesn't notify anyone that the guidance has been updated.

And the best part is that everything said there has already happened.

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 20:13

Precisely this, Iam

cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 20:14

Well I think unions want SD. Masks. Flexible schooling.

They want teachers and pupils to be in a Covid-safe environment, so that schools can stay open. Masks and SD are the ways this is achieved in all other settings, and flexible schooling an unfortunate consequence of the terrible overcrowding of all schools - in countries where cass sizes are smaller and overcrowding much rarer, there is no need for it.

I agree that flexible schooling is awful - so since you agree with me that all schools should safely re-open to all pupils, and be Covid-secure so they STAY open, can you tell me how this can be achieved WITHOUT masks, SD or flexible schooling? Unions agree with you that schools should be open. They agree with you that they should stay open. They agree with you that they should be safe, in order to stay open. The only thing you have any issue with is HOW they stay safe - can you suggest alternatives to the measures used in all other settings?

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:18

What next after the Huff Post leak? Some crucial announcement in Match Of The Day Magazine with further details in The Lady?

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 20:18

What we can all agree is that whatever the government comes up with for schools it will be a fucking shambles that they will blame on someone else.

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askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 20:19

@cantkeepawayforever

Well I think unions want SD. Masks. Flexible schooling.

They want teachers and pupils to be in a Covid-safe environment, so that schools can stay open. Masks and SD are the ways this is achieved in all other settings, and flexible schooling an unfortunate consequence of the terrible overcrowding of all schools - in countries where cass sizes are smaller and overcrowding much rarer, there is no need for it.

I agree that flexible schooling is awful - so since you agree with me that all schools should safely re-open to all pupils, and be Covid-secure so they STAY open, can you tell me how this can be achieved WITHOUT masks, SD or flexible schooling? Unions agree with you that schools should be open. They agree with you that they should stay open. They agree with you that they should be safe, in order to stay open. The only thing you have any issue with is HOW they stay safe - can you suggest alternatives to the measures used in all other settings?

At this stage I honestly don't care. We've had 6 months to come up with ideas.

I'm fundamentally against masks SD and blended learning.

Anything else I'd be fine with.

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 20:19

@Piggywaspushed

What next after the Huff Post leak? Some crucial announcement in Match Of The Day Magazine with further details in The Lady?
My kids get The Beano so I will read it cover to cover just in case.
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askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 20:19

@noblegiraffe

What we can all agree is that whatever the government comes up with for schools it will be a fucking shambles that they will blame on someone else.
We do have something in common after all Wink
Clavinova · 21/08/2020 20:20

in order that all schools can remain open fully for all pupils, full time for the full academic year - no closing for outbreaks, staff illness, local lockdowns etc?

I think that is a totally unrealistic expectation.

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:23

I do believe we agree clav.

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:24

OK, noble, DS has got MOTD covered and clav can scour The Lady for us Wink

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 20:26

@noblegiraffe

What we can all agree is that whatever the government comes up with for schools it will be a fucking shambles that they will blame on someone else.
I give you a CAG of A* for this comment with a pass level of 100%
Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 20:27

@noblegiraffe

What we can all agree is that whatever the government comes up with for schools it will be a fucking shambles that they will blame on someone else.
I can see the headline now: " Ineffective DfE to close and be replaced with a privately-funded organisation run by Joanne Eland" (wife of Gavin Williamson)
askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 20:27

@Clavinova

in order that all schools can remain open fully for all pupils, full time for the full academic year - no closing for outbreaks, staff illness, local lockdowns etc?

I think that is a totally unrealistic expectation.

Agree. Had no one heard of coronavirus?