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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:44

I get that you think that.

But realistically that statement meant the majority of kids did not return in June.

Has anything changed now they are returning in September?

It was politically motivated

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:45

ANYWAY.

Anyone think the government will announce something at 10.30pm on the 1st Sept that requires schools to dump all current plans?

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 19:45

All of these are dealt with in noble's' OP.

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 19:47

Well, today they have put guidance on the DfE site (which I am sure all parents read) basically saying, find your own way to school, but don't use public transport and we'd rather you didn't car share unless you all wear masks and have your windows wide open. We'd really prefer you to cycle 4 miles along unlit busy roads.

Crystal1975 · 21/08/2020 19:47

A good friend of mine is a primary Headteacher and she says it’s been a complete shit show from the start
Advice constantly changing and so much has been contradictory
She’s been working 12 hour days at least just trying to keep up with the nonsense the government keeps coming up with
And the free school meals was a complete fiasco, going round knocking on doors delivering food
As she said schools were “clopen” - closed but also open - had to run them like they were closed and online learning etc , but they were still open so had to run them like they were open
Complete joke

FlySheMust · 21/08/2020 19:50

[quote askmehowiknow]Ok

One example

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-unions-urge-government-to-step-back-from-june-1-school-reopening-plan/amp/[/quote]
Not sure why you have a problem with that. Don't you want teachers to be safe in schools?

The unions were asking for safety measures for adults and children. What is your problem with that?

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:51

What has changed between reopening in June vs September though? Except kids lost a half term of school

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 19:51

find your own way to school, but don't use public transport

It’s ok, those LA magic buses that were requested just last week will be doing a door to door service I’m sure.

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FlySheMust · 21/08/2020 19:52

[quote askmehowiknow]Ok

One example

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-unions-urge-government-to-step-back-from-june-1-school-reopening-plan/amp/[/quote]
Accused. But it wasn't true. Why pretend it was.

You should be embarrassed to quote such bull shit.

But you do it all the time, don't you?

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:53

It’s ok, those LA magic buses that were requested just last week will be doing a door to door service I’m sure

We’ve got a fleet of those. Right next to the towering stack of laptops.

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 19:54

@askmehowiknow
Has anything changed now they are returning in September?

Yes - the regulations from the Government have changed.

I genuinely thought we'd made some progress yesterday and that you recognised why teachers and the unions had expressed the concerns that they have.

cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 19:54

@askmehowiknow

What has changed between reopening in June vs September though? Except kids lost a half term of school
Well, indeed. What HAS changed, in terms of teacher safety?

Because I am sure you will agree that opening schools need to be safe both for pupils and teachers, in order that all schools can remain open fully for all pupils, full time for the full academic year - no closing for outbreaks, staff illness, local lockdowns etc?

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:54

You should be embarrassed to quote such bull shit.

Thanks. Fantastic example of that sneering attitude from teachers

cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 19:56

[quote Iamnotthe1]@askmehowiknow
Has anything changed now they are returning in September?

Yes - the regulations from the Government have changed.

I genuinely thought we'd made some progress yesterday and that you recognised why teachers and the unions had expressed the concerns that they have.[/quote]
Ah, yes, that as well, of course.

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 19:56

@SmileEachDay

It’s ok, those LA magic buses that were requested just last week will be doing a door to door service I’m sure

We’ve got a fleet of those. Right next to the towering stack of laptops.

And the additional 3 in-house tutors.
FlySheMust · 21/08/2020 19:57

@askmehowiknow

You should be embarrassed to quote such bull shit.

Thanks. Fantastic example of that sneering attitude from teachers

Your argument lies in tatters. So accuse me of sneering after all the insults you've thrown at teachers?

Laughable.

colouringindoors · 21/08/2020 19:58

Who the f@@@ are in that 11%.

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 19:58

@SmileEachDay

ANYWAY.

Anyone think the government will announce something at 10.30pm on the 1st Sept that requires schools to dump all current plans?

Try the 2nd! They don't return until the 3rd here Wink
cantkeepawayforever · 21/08/2020 19:58

@askmehowiknow

You should be embarrassed to quote such bull shit.

Thanks. Fantastic example of that sneering attitude from teachers

So you are not embarrassed to be peddling half-truths and lies - deliberately, as the true information has been given to you many times - but you pull up another poster because they express their opinions in a way that is less delicate than you would like it to be? Hmmm.
noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 19:59

Eyes on the poll, a Facebook klaxon will be going out to rig this one like the last one.

Don’t feed the Us4Therminator.

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itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 20:00

@noblegiraffe

find your own way to school, but don't use public transport

It’s ok, those LA magic buses that were requested just last week will be doing a door to door service I’m sure.

Why dont they want them on public transport?

Haven't read that guidance as ours use la transport (special)

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 20:01

@colouringindoors

Who the f@@@ are in that 11%.
Clav, Gavin, Boris and Dom, Nick Gibb.

I’ve run out of ideas now.

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askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 20:02

[quote Iamnotthe1]@askmehowiknow
Has anything changed now they are returning in September?

Yes - the regulations from the Government have changed.

I genuinely thought we'd made some progress yesterday and that you recognised why teachers and the unions had expressed the concerns that they have.[/quote]
Totally recognise this. Not going back on what I said

However That doesn't excuse in any way what the unions have done.

Or the frankly spiteful posts of some teachers on here.

My only aim is for all children to have equal access to education. (I'm not U4T before you shout although don't disagree with them).

Beyond that idgaf

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 20:02

@SmileEachDay @itsgettingweird

I think you're being generous in saying that guidance will be out ahead of the return. There'll be "revisions" every couple of days once we're back.

Piggywaspushed · 21/08/2020 20:02

Because public transport is still running on reduced timetable . It also brings them into contact with other people and they have to SD. They don't need to SD on school buses because, like schools, they have magic walls.