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This government don’t give a shit about schools or your kids

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noblegiraffe · 20/08/2020 19:11

AIBU to think that the government have fucked up literally everything to do with schools and education this year?

Evidence:

Chaotic school closures and keyworker provision (couldn’t decide what a keyworker was until the very last minute)

Forgot that kids on free school meals would go hungry so heads had to go round delivering sandwiches while the DfE put together an utterly shambolic voucher system that crashed and was pretty unusable.

Issued no guidelines for minimum education requirements during lockdown leading to vastly different provision between schools. Even Ofsted said they couldn’t judge schools on lockdown provision as there were no standards to judge them against.

Had to be shamed into u-turning on their insistence that free school meal children should go hungry during the holidays by a celebrity footballer (well done Marcus Rashford you absolute star)

Fed stories to friendly newspapers about schools re-opening in May to judge public reaction, leading to anxiety and uncertainty among parents and school staff

Announced that primary schools would open to all pupils before the summer holidays, an announcement that had surely not been run past anyone who worked in schools given that under the government’s own guidelines for schools for bubbles of 15 and no rotas, this would require double the classrooms and double the teachers available. Then backtracked on this a few weeks later (getting the friendly press to blame the unions) again creating uncertainty, anxiety and disappointment for parents and pupils.

Ignored education select committee questions about Ofqual’s algorithm when they raised issues in July

Lied and said they didn’t have early access to the data from Ofqual’s algorithm

When Scotland u-turned on their use of an algorithm, instead of making a considered response, came out with the bizarre notion that kids could use their mock grades - a suggestion that had obviously never been put past anyone who worked in schools. Again.

Took 5 days to realise that their mock suggestion created more problems than it solved, then u-turned on awarding CAGs creating problems for Y12 next year.

Fed stories to the friendly press that the unions are blocking the re-opening of schools in September so if it goes tits-up, they can blame them again (unions are asking for a ‘plan B’ in the case of local lockdowns, and for working conditions comparable to those of all other workers, no strike action has been proposed or balloted for so they couldn’t block re-opening even if they wanted to)

Blamed Ofqual for the algorithm they were told to create (prioritising statistics over teacher assessment)

Branded a teacher payrise that was agreed back in January a ‘reward for work during lockdown’, knowing this was incorrect, and deliberately fuelling outrage that they themselves had caused by having no minimum requirements for education in lockdown leading to vastly different provision.

Not funding this payrise so teachers probably won’t get it as otherwise it will lead to redundancies for other staff members due to having to fund it from already dire staffing budgets.

Issued guidelines that said that schools should reopen with increased cleaning schedules, increased handwashing, hand sanitising but providing no extra funding for this.

Instructed heads not to take any measures that would improve safety but would require more space (e.g. use of village halls) or not have pupils in full time (rotas, staggered timetables).

Didn’t realise that kids wouldn’t be able to get to school on public transport under current social distancing requirements as there aren’t enough buses until three weeks before schools reopened, and decided to throw £40 million to LAs to sort this (what? buy more buses?) so that they could blame the LAs when it inevitably goes wrong and kids can’t get to school.

And these are the people currently running a campaign to convince parents that they are capable of re-opening schools safely.

YABU: I have full confidence in the government and am perfectly happy with how things have gone so far

YANBU: It is mind-boggling how incompetent they have been, and how little thought they have given to the education of the nation’s children.

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askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:03

@AhFiddledeedee

YANBU, I have no words for what an utter shambles this is. They are blaming anyone but themselves and getting away with it
Of course they will. The press is overall in their side. Who exactly would the average Tory vote for instead? People don't support cuts etc. But surprise surprise they never vote for tax increases.

Im surprised this is news to anyone.

BoJo was only voted in to get Brexit done. Which the tories are also entirely responsible for, by allowing the referendum.

Nothing the tories do surprises me. What has really really surprised me though is some teachers and their union. I had always assumed they at least would put kids first. Guess not Confused

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:04

@Heffalooomia

and getting away with it maybe it seems so but surely voters wont forgive this?
Meant to quote this
KenDodd · 21/08/2020 19:11

I suspect for the same reason that you are so intractable about your political views.

I'm not, I've always been a floating voter (pretty much, except haven't voted Labour since, and because of, the Iraq war). What makes you think I am intractable, is it because I think this government are shit based on all the evidence of their shitness?

Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 19:14

@askmehowiknow

Oh let's not go back to this.

Teachers do care, very deeply, which is one of the reasons they are asking for the measures that you yourself said are a reasonable solution yesterday. If a parents genuinely felt that teachers didn't care than why would they want their children to be back under them with the teacher in loco parentis. If a parent had a genuine concern that the teacher just didn't give a shit then allowing their children to go into that classroom with that teacher would be nothing less than abusive.

Unions exist to safeguard their members. The teaching unions have nothing to do with students in the same way that medical unions are not advocating for patients, legal unions are not advocating for clients, service sector unions are not advocating for service users, etc. It is not their role in the slightest.

HipTightOnions · 21/08/2020 19:17

What has really really surprised me though is some teachers and their union. I had always assumed they at least would put kids first

Unions protect the interests of their members, or if you prefer, to “put their members first”. That’s rather the point of them.

HipTightOnions · 21/08/2020 19:18

Iamnitthe1 beat me to it with a much better reply!

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:21

What has really really surprised me though is some teachers and their union. I had always assumed they at least would put kids first. Guess not confused

Exactly what have the unions done that does not our kids first? Have you see any of their actual advice? The petition they have running at the moment?

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:22

[quote Iamnotthe1]@askmehowiknow

Oh let's not go back to this.

Teachers do care, very deeply, which is one of the reasons they are asking for the measures that you yourself said are a reasonable solution yesterday. If a parents genuinely felt that teachers didn't care than why would they want their children to be back under them with the teacher in loco parentis. If a parent had a genuine concern that the teacher just didn't give a shit then allowing their children to go into that classroom with that teacher would be nothing less than abusive.

Unions exist to safeguard their members. The teaching unions have nothing to do with students in the same way that medical unions are not advocating for patients, legal unions are not advocating for clients, service sector unions are not advocating for service users, etc. It is not their role in the slightest.[/quote]
Medical unions absolutely do advocate for patients. Very loudly.

I guess it's one of the reasons I've been so shocked by the attitude of the teaching unions. I previously wouldn't have said a bad word against them

I get this post is trying to shift 100% blame into the incompetent government. But that's not entirely fair

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 19:22

NOT. ON. MY. THREAD. Angry

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SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:23

Hip and Iam are right, of course - however in this situation the interests of teachers and students are aligned.

as this shows

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:25

In fact, the unions with their recent guidance are trying to ensure that the government do not stagger through next year fucking things up right left and centre.

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:26

Plus posts saying working parents are lazy, goading they need a 'plan b', school isn't childcare, saying that kids don't 'deserve' an education (yesterday), sneering at other posters, who support children's right to education, suggesting kids are unclean.

The unions released a joint statement in June saying schools should not fully reopen. A lot of kids were kept at home until September.

It makes me wonder if some teachers also don't give a shit about kids or schools..,

SmileEachDay · 21/08/2020 19:29

askmehowiknow

Read the petition I posted and tell me how the unions are not trying to insure children against the incompetence of the government.

Which is exactly what they were doing on June 1st.

This thread is not about defending teachers and unions though. Sorry, noble

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 19:29

Nothing the tories do surprises me. What has really really surprised me though is some teachers and their union. I had always assumed they at least would put kids first. Guess not

You clearly haven't seen any of the Union emails because if you had you'd be quoting them and not what the government have made the media say Wink

Clavinova · 21/08/2020 19:29

KenDodd
Why are you so loyal to the Tories? I don't understand why anyone would be so devoted to a political party, any political party.

I'm not that loyal - I have never volunteered to deliver a leaflet. Grin

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:31

@itsgettingweird

Nothing the tories do surprises me. What has really really surprised me though is some teachers and their union. I had always assumed they at least would put kids first. Guess not

You clearly haven't seen any of the Union emails because if you had you'd be quoting them and not what the government have made the media say Wink

That is true. I go in their press releases. Plus (sadly) some of the vitriolic comments on here.

I've never had a bad word to say about a teacher or a union. Until this.

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:33

@SmileEachDay

askmehowiknow

Read the petition I posted and tell me how the unions are not trying to insure children against the incompetence of the government.

Which is exactly what they were doing on June 1st.

This thread is not about defending teachers and unions though. Sorry, noble

I have seen this petition circulated. I did wonder why it's only now though. Did no one teaching A levels see this coming?!
FlySheMust · 21/08/2020 19:35

I guess it's one of the reasons I've been so shocked by the attitude of the teaching unions. I previously wouldn't have said a bad word against them

What have they done? Links, please. I haven't heard of anything shocking about their attitude. Prepared to be corrected if you have proof.

But I strongly suspect you haven't

askmehowiknow · 21/08/2020 19:40

Teachers should not be expected to deliver a full timetable to pupils said unions...

itsgettingweird · 21/08/2020 19:41

If it wasn't so inappropriate and totally unethical I'd post my recent email.

It certainly says more about haiku kids in education with a plan b for lockdowns and continues standards of education far more than about me at first.

Then it says about how and more safety measures.

But the rationale is keeping schools open and education standards high.

Should have totted off to Spain yesterday as I was meant to and missed a week due to isolation.
At least then I could be rightly accused of not caring Grin

noblegiraffe · 21/08/2020 19:42

Bog off and start your own thread, ask

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Iamnotthe1 · 21/08/2020 19:42

[quote askmehowiknow]Ok

One example

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-unions-urge-government-to-step-back-from-june-1-school-reopening-plan/amp/[/quote]
This came as a response to the Government neglecting to look at their own guidelines and then asking schools to do something that was impossible to do within those guidelines.

Had the Government engaged with unions earlier, a better solution could have been found for all schools such as what my school did with all year groups back on a blended learning schedule.