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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think anyone TTC now is mad?

349 replies

absolutelybloodyanonymous · 13/08/2020 21:12

Given the GDP fall-economy disaster, rising unemployment, coronavirus, does it seem bloody mad to be TTC now?

I’ve got mates and family who are TTC or already upduffed and it seems absolutely mad to me. Why does RIGHT NOW feel like a good time to TTC? AIBU?

(Nc for this!)

OP posts:
PerfectionistProcrastinator · 14/08/2020 07:46

Does that mean that your ivf did result in a child then OP? Because I am childless without time on my side to wait.

MarthasGinYard · 14/08/2020 07:48

Yanbu

Horrendous time to add anything to the mix let alone a baby.

TheGodmother · 14/08/2020 07:54

What the fuck has it got to do with you? Go clutch your pearls about something else!

Apricotta · 14/08/2020 07:55

YABU. If they have a stable home, safe jobs, I. E. Important key workers have been struggling to get pregnant why not? You can't mail order babies, if you're struggling you play you lottery ticket every month as its hard to fall pregnant!

NameChange84 · 14/08/2020 07:56

100% Unreasonable. For some people it’s now or never and it’s none of your concern or right to decide when other people should conceive.

TheAquaticDuchess · 14/08/2020 07:58

If I had known 10 years ago what is common knowledge now I would like to think I would have had the strength of character never to have started a family.

This is nothing but the purest bullshit.

I was learning about global warming in school in the early 2000s. The 350.org, Energy Action Coalition, and the Global Call for Climate Action were all founded in the 2000s. The first United Nations Climate Change Conference was in 2009.

Unless you only recently emerged from decades spent living under a rock, you absolutely did know about the threat of climate change ten years ago. Ten years ago, the climate change movement was already over a decade old. If you weren’t aware of it that’s due to your own spectacular obliviousness and ignorance, and you have absolutely no right to judge people for having children now.

You were aware of the climate change crisis, and you chose to have your children because, understandably, you put your desire for a family as a higher priority. That doesn’t make you a bed person. Plenty of people view having children as their most important priority, even in an unstable world.

What is incredibly unfair, dishonest and shitty is for you to now pull the ladder up behind you, suggesting that it was fine for you to have your children because climate change wasn’t known about 10 years ago, and if only you had known you would have had the strength of character not to have kids. To suggest that anyone trying to have kids now is wilfully selfish, and lacking the strength of character you would so nobly have displayed in an alternate life, is absolute BULLSHIT. You had the same information and you made the same choices people today are making, and you’re inventing a fictitious high horse to look down upon people for following in your footsteps. Absolutely outrageous.

HavelockVetinari · 14/08/2020 07:58

I'm financially well off, in a stable career unaffected by covid and likely to remain so. I'm having my 9th round of IVF this month. I don't really give a shite about whether you think it's the right time - maybe it's not for you, but don't sneer and judge other people, they may be in an ideal position to TTC.

OutComeTheWolves · 14/08/2020 07:59

I'm getting old and would be worried that in 2 years time (or whenever things start to pick up again) would be too late.

Disclaimer - I'm not actually TTC as have too many kids already, am just broody as fuck and would have no qualms in trying again right now if dh agreed to it!

HavelockVetinari · 14/08/2020 08:01

If I had known 10 years ago what is common knowledge now I would like to think I would have had the strength of character never to have started a family.

The sheer bloody hypocrisy of that statement! As if. Everyone knew about the climate issues a decade ago, everyone. It's not new information. You're just happy and smug that you've got your DC but want others to miss out. You're a pathetic hypocrite.

TitianaTitsling · 14/08/2020 08:02

@GarlicMcAtackney

Anyone wittering on about how they were childfree but then caved into societal norms and had unprotected sex-that is not childfree, its childless. Childfree means you will not be impregnated or produce, or parent offspring, by choice, ever. People who are choosing to breed need to be looking intensely into what their offspring will have to endure in upcoming decades. Climate refugees, catastrophic and unprecedented climate change, a destroyed economy, water shortages, etc. obviously, and choose what they’ll explain to their kid in ten or twenty years time. They knew all this, but wanted a kid anyway. Cannot wrap my head around it.
That's some interesting word choice choosing to breed are you a parent?
saywhatnowerm · 14/08/2020 08:05

Can I ask what all these secure jobs are that are completely recession & pandemic proof? No worries about future tax hikes either?

FluffyKittensinabasket · 14/08/2020 08:08

Lynsey91- I think it’s a bit weird to hang around a forum for mums telling people you are childfree by choice and anybody wanting a baby is mad. There is a Reddit group called Childfree which might be more to your liking.

This is such a strange post, as it any of us would get an abortion because a random goady fucker on Mumsnet told us not to have babies.

CeibaTree · 14/08/2020 08:11

OP no-one is being goady or boastful mentioning they have secure jobs - that is just people responding to your OP that uses the example of unemployment and recession as reasons for not TTC. Personally having had 2 miscarriages in the past 18 months, and nearing the end of my fertile years not even a global pandemic will stop me TTC for another child. As you are having a tough time yourself you must understand this? Although the fact you have name changed to make this post makes me suspect you were just looking for a bit of a bun fight.

TheAquaticDuchess · 14/08/2020 08:12

@FluffyKittensinabasket I agree. Same for @GarlicMcAtackney. It’s one thing to be child free - that’s a welcome perspective, and mumsnet isn’t just for parents. But it’s users mostly are parents or trying to be, so for these posters to be actually angry at people having kids - like it’s something personal that has been done to them - is totally different. Surely this isn’t the site for them?

OutComeTheWolves · 14/08/2020 08:13

Also the decision to have kids is never based on logic. It I said to you I'll give you £21.05 a week and in return you can have 40 weeks of feeling a bit crap, sickness, heartburn and getting fat, 6 hours of intense pain unless you want a needle in your back, your body will be changed forever and you might tear your arsehole, then you have approx 2 years of crap sleep, deal with poo every day and severely compromise your social life, you'll have to pay a grand a month on childcare if you want to keep your career and just when the kid is starting to get cheaper and more independent, the hormones hit and you have to live with a moody twat in your house for a few years. And because of the cost of living you'll probably be supporting them for a good few years after the £21.05 stops. And it'll cost you on average £151,000 over the course of its life. You'd turn that offer down.

Having a kid has always looked shit on paper and now is no different, yet most of us (including me) still think it's the best thing we've ever done.

Apricotta · 14/08/2020 08:14

If I had known 10 years ago what is common knowledge now I would like to think I would have had the strength of character never to have started a family.

You need new brains to solve old brains problems.

Can I ask what all these secure jobs are that are completely recession & pandemic proof? No worries about future tax hikes either?

Doctors, nurses, teachers, civil service, a good lawyer/solicitor. If you've budgeted well your fine for future tax hikes. That's why we didn't max out on our mortgage, don't take loans, live within our means, work hard at our jobs save for rainy days. Just because we could afford half a million pound mortgage didn't mean we always would, which is why we are around £300k.

FluffyKittensinabasket · 14/08/2020 08:15

Secure jobs - Defence, police, healthcare, teaching etc. If unemployment hits 10%, most people will still have jobs. Our jobs are stable, worse case scenario, I get made redundant, I can stay at home with baby. We are mortgage free with rental income, lots of savings and live in military housing so...

Future tax rises - will happen if we have a baby or not. 🤷🏻‍♀️

sindylouwho · 14/08/2020 08:18

My husbands getting older and what if covid is around forever? You could say that you can wait a year or so but we could be in the same position.

TheAquaticDuchess · 14/08/2020 08:19

I’ve been consistently voting for parties promising to raise taxes for my entire adult life, despite being in the higher tax bracket. Bring it on, I say.

FluffyKittensinabasket · 14/08/2020 08:21

I think the people who proclaim they are happily childfree by choice over and over aren’t actually that happy about it - on a forum called Mumsnet. I wonder how many of them are actually happy. A few posters seem actually angry that people are having children. Is it jealously because they can’t or something?

One thing to be childfree. A different point of view is always good.

Quite another to screech that choosing to have children is stupid. Lynsey91 was posting over the Conception forum in March telling us we were crazy, stupid etc many of her posts were deleted. How are those sorts of posts helpful or kind?

LonginesPrime · 14/08/2020 08:22

YANBU to conclude that it would be mad for you to TTC right now if that's how you feel. It's your body, your life, your family and your judgement to make.

However, YWBVU to conclude that everyone else should think exactly like you do and follow your lead on when to TTC. Because those are their bodies, their lives, their families and their judgements to make.

There are probably lots of things you've done in life that other people wouldn't - we're all different.

No-one owes you an explanation but it's not that hard to use one's imagination to come up with loads of scenarios that might make now as good a time as any to TTC.

RaspberryToupee · 14/08/2020 08:23

@absolutelybloodyanonymous

I’m 39 and suffered recurrent miscarriages and multiple rounds of IVF. (Veternan of MN infertility page) Would love another and time is obviously of the essence for me but seems frightening to think that we don’t know the effects of the virus on the foetus and new figures showing more hospitalisations and illness for infants.

I am being honest in asking aiBu and feels quite goady to have everyone boast about their comfortable jobs and savings when so many others are on the breadlines.

Ok without boasting about our jobs or savings, even though they are legitimate things to bring up when you mention a recession. We bought a house at the lower end of what we could afford, it needs work. But if we both lose our jobs (unlikely but can’t boast about thatHmm), our mortgage payment is actually relatively low. It means we won’t be able to do up the house but that isn’t the end of the world. It’s not an unsafe house, we’ve don’t the improvements to make it safe, it’s just dated. Kids are fine growing up in a dated house. If we get trapped in negative equity it’s not the best thing, obviously, but we could live here for the next 10 years. Probably longer, if needed. I guess that boasting too, even though our house was the bottom end of our budget and we were sensible with not going for the amount we could on a mortgage 🤷‍♀️

Speaking of 10 years, it took the country about 10 years to get out of the 2008 recession. You seriously expect people to wait more than 10 years until we’re out of a recession. Was your first born between 2008 and 2018? Did anyone question you why you were TTC during a recession? Would you have mentioned your secure job is pushed on your decision to have your first? We also don’t know how long Covid will last. It could be here indefinitely and included in the regular vaccine programme or it could be dealt with in a year. But you can’t wait to know because you just don’t know. It sucks that you feel your circumstances aren’t right for another child. However, there are couples with different circumstances to you. Some still trying for their first.

As for me, I’m in the category of clearly batshit crazy to you. I’m 30, we’re TTC our first and likely only. We have a personal preference that we don’t want children after 35. We also have a personal preference not to use fertility treatment (however, I wouldn’t dream of writing a goady thread about those who do). So time is a little bit on our side but ticking away slightly due to our personal preferences.

However, I know how quickly you can lose someone. My grandma was in hospital (a few years ago), not on high dependency just a regular ward. She had an infection along with some existing health conditions. I visited her on the Sunday (I like 200 miles from my family), she was sat up in the chair, she was on the mend. I left at 5pm on the Sunday and she was dead by 6am on the Monday. A friend of my mums died of Covid. She was only a few years older than my mum, that brought it close to home and made me concerned for my mum. My mum knits beautiful things for babies and has knitted some beautiful things for my friends. I want her to be able to knit some beautiful things for me. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I’m losing someone because of this pandemic. That might be someone who is vulnerable or someone due to missed routine appointments or even if someone is delayed cancer screening. I don’t want to piss away any more time with these people and I want to give them a chance at meeting my child. Maybe that’s melodramatic for you but I lost 3 relatives in a 20 month period. Every year since 2014, either me or DH has lost a close family member. No deaths so far in 2020... what a great year to get that title. Although we almost lost FIL at the beginning of the year, before all this kicked off. I’d really like my child to know their grandad. DH didn’t get a chance to know either of his grandads as they died before he was born, he wants his dad to have a relationship with out child.

As for risk, I’m in a very low infection area. There have been a few hundred cases, not deaths, in my district council area. We have loads of open space (am I boasting again?) and there seems to be a correlation between densely populated areas and infection rates. My family live 200 miles and many are vulnerable so not taking any additional risks themselves. My in-laws live in another country. We aren’t travelling to see family. If I am pregnant all our family will be understanding about us not travelling to see them, if we chose not to. If I saw my family, I know they would be willing to isolate for two weeks before. Which is pretty easy as my mum is on permanent work from home. I might not get to see my dad but he’d understand. Both DH and I are working from home for the foreseeable future and both workplaces are recognising pregnant women/partners as being vulnerable, no matter how pregnant they are. I would need to update the risk assessment for me and they will provide me with additional PPE for the few occasions I can’t work at home. Which has been four times in 5 months and 3 of those have been outside. We’ve not been socialising massively and we will cut that back if needed. We’re both introverted and have a smaller group of friends anyway, especially local ones. We’ve been going over and above the guidelines. We were using masks before we were told to. If we go for a meal, trying to keep our local economy going, we try to stay in for the next two weeks. We are still maintain social distancing, even though I’d love to hug someone other than my husband. We don’t enjoy shopping for fun, so no additional risk there. We enjoy being outside, even if the weather is bad. You can’t completely eliminate risk but we’re doing as much as we can.

HTH you to stop being such a judgey fucker!

TheAquaticDuchess · 14/08/2020 08:27

Quite another to screech that choosing to have children is stupid. Lynsey91 was posting over the Conception forum in March telling us we were crazy, stupid etc many of her posts were deleted.

That’s really interesting. What completely bizarre behaviour.

emilyvictoria17 · 14/08/2020 08:28

Fascinated by the child free poster who has nothing better to do than hang around a parenting forum and judge people for having kids 😂

Bromley4ever · 14/08/2020 08:29

I am of the generation who had kids when we already knew how bad it was. But then again, my parents had seen the birth of the nuclear age, and they knew how bad it was from that perspective. It has always be bad, and having children is always an act of faith. Of course, if you have children now it's only right to think about theirs, and your impact on the planet, and we need to find a political system that enables clever people to find the answers to the challenges that face us, rather than silencing them in the name of popularity.