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To want to know when we can stop wearing face masks?

366 replies

ihatefacemasks · 12/08/2020 21:30

That's about the size of it. I loathe the bastarding things for every possible reason. Obviously I have to wear them because I don't have a reason not to (I could perfectly easily pretend, in order to obtain exemption, though this would seem unfair on the people who genuinely can't wear them). But AIBU to want to know when we will be allowed to stop with this nonsense? Does the R rate have to reach a certain target? Does there have to be a vaccination? WTF will make a difference? Why has nobody given us any indication?

OP posts:
Miljea · 13/08/2020 09:27

@Spidey66

I think the OP is getting a lot of stick here, her views are like mine. I hate them, I struggle to breathe in them and the warm weather makes it worse. I use them because I'm compelled to in shops and public transport, but i must admit I walk and cycle a lot just to avoid using them.

I acknowledge that given the choice of wearing a mask v. a second wave and more lockdowns I'd choose the mask but I hate the whole sanctimonious views of people who have their profile pictures on FB of them in a mask wearing them 24/7. I'm complying, that's all.

The OP is 'getting a lot of stick' because their post, demanding to know when, precisely, we can stop wearing masks, and wanting to know why no one was answering that question - is ridiculous.

They're also getting stick from the 'poor of comprehension' who are assuming they're refusing to wear a mask, even though they haven't said that.

Malteserdiet · 13/08/2020 09:28

www.rt.com/uk/497778-flu-pneumonia-deaths-coronavirus-britain/

I’ve posted it already, but here’s the flu figures link

hadenough · 13/08/2020 09:32

I live in a country which has some of the strictest rules in the world around wearing a mask. The cases are surging.

I am currently in a country where virtually no one is wearing a mask, and they are not experiencing a surge.

I do wonder whether in some cases the masks are encouraging people to touch their faces more and are not being replaced/washed regularly like they are supposed to be.

Personally, I think good hand hygiene, not touching your face, and wherever possible, maintaining a distance, are the more sensible options.

Malteserdiet · 13/08/2020 09:36

@hadenough wow, really interesting! Perhaps we will soon start to see evidence that the altered behaviour mask wearing encourages actually causes more cases than if there are no masks and people are better at distancing and touching their face. It certainly looks that way in Europe where masks have been increasingly introduced and yet cases continue upwards.

LaurieFairyCake · 13/08/2020 09:53

We will be wearing them until there's a vaccine I think Sad

No one likes them I don't think

ThisLittleLady · 13/08/2020 09:55

If it stops my kids being dead I’ll wear it without complaint.

Mia1415 · 13/08/2020 09:56

YANBU I absolute hate them. I can't handle wearing them for long, I can't breath, they make me feel sick and give me a headache.

I am asthmatic so am exempt, but I don't want all the judgement and I refuse to wear those sunflower lanyards as don't see why I should have to advertise my medical condition, which is actually pretty minor normally.

I'm therefore not going out as much as I would if we didn't have to wear masks.

I personally think that people will naturally stop wearing them (I've already seen compliance dropping) and the government will see they are loosing control and stop making them mandatory.

Sunnydazey · 13/08/2020 09:56

I don’t understand why we are wearing them either op. Are we actually going to wear them until there isn’t a single case of covid left? Because that probably won’t happen ever. Why haven’t we ever worn them for the winter flu? I know people will accuse me of being all “conspiracy” but seriously, the flu kills so many people each year but it has never been treated as serious as covid which has now been found to have a lower death rate.

There’s a lot of posters also saying how it’s tantamount to manslaughter if you are unknowingly carrying Covid and pass it onto a little old lady who dies with it. Has his not always been the same with flu etc? You could have had the flu ten years ago and unknowingly passed it on to somebody who died. It’s not your fault either, you can’t be expected to lock yourself away when you have a sniffle.

I just don’t understand why Covid is treated so extreme, 11 people died of it yesterday?

ihatefacemasks · 13/08/2020 10:09

Blimey. I was expecting about three responses, and there seem to have been more (I have read all of them, and would really like to know what the deleted ones said too 😷)

Just to recapitulate:

I am wearing a mask when I go into public indoor spaces

I am not whining. I am saying I hate wearing them. In fact, I passionately hate them. That's a fact. It's not a whinge.

I am not a conspiracy theorist per se, though I do think that introducing masks with no real explanation and no idea of how long it might be for has the potential to pave the way for the government to introduce other things in the same way.

I am not asking people to look into their crystal balls and predict when we will be able to stop wearing them.

I would, however, like the government to clarify why we are having to do this, and what would have to be different for the mandatory mask-wearing to be dropped.

I was opposed to lockdown, too, but we were at least told that it would be lifted once the various conditions had been met. These conditions were set out. You could argue with the conditions themselves, but they gave us an indication of how long that particular Hell would last.

I think we should be given the same information about masks.

I live in a part of the country where not one single person has died either of or with Covid since April. Lockdown was adhered to by something like 97% of people in this area. Yet we still have to wear masks. I would like someone to explain why this is the case, and when we will be allowed not to wear them again. When nobody has died of or with Covid for six months? A year? I will grudgingly stick to the rules, if they can be sensibly justified.

I suspect, in fact, that there will be no clear direction, and people will just sort of slither out of wearing masks in the same way that they have slithered out of lockdown. This being the case, it would be better to have clear scientific reasons for wearing them, and an idea of when we might be able to stop.

I agree with PP who have now given up the idea of having a pleasant mooch round museums, galleries and shops. It's now thoroughly unpleasant, and this is not going to help the economy.

I also think the government has introduced them as a knee-jerk reaction. They convinced an astonishing number of people that the world is a desperately unsafe place, and that they will die if they step out of their houses. Now they are evidently regretting the fact that so many people actually believed them, and are trying to convince people that they will be "safe" if everyone is wearing masks.

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ilikebooksandplants · 13/08/2020 10:09

The responses to this thread are absolutely hard of thinking, OP. It is not wrong to want to know when there’s going to be an end date, or at least a review date, to these restrictions.

I was very pro-lockdown in March, and (although I doubt the efficacy of the masks) am wearing one where I am required to. That doesn’t mean we should all just unthinkingly accept increasing restrictions without a review date, and woe betide anyone who complains about it. THERES PEOPLE ON VENTILATORS DONT YOU KNOW.

SengaStrawberry · 13/08/2020 10:11

Can’t come quick enough. I’m not convinced they work anyway.

SengaStrawberry · 13/08/2020 10:12

@ilikebooksandplants

The responses to this thread are absolutely hard of thinking, OP. It is not wrong to want to know when there’s going to be an end date, or at least a review date, to these restrictions.

I was very pro-lockdown in March, and (although I doubt the efficacy of the masks) am wearing one where I am required to. That doesn’t mean we should all just unthinkingly accept increasing restrictions without a review date, and woe betide anyone who complains about it. THERES PEOPLE ON VENTILATORS DONT YOU KNOW.

Totally agree.
ihatefacemasks · 13/08/2020 10:12

@ThisLittleLady

If it stops my kids being dead I’ll wear it without complaint.
I hadn't seen this post, as I was writing mine...

Nothing will stop our "kids being dead". If I could guarantee that I could stop my children of ever coming to harm or dying, ever, I would do it. If someone could promise me that standing on my head in a bucket of manure would absolutely guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen to my children, I'd do it.

People seem to have lost sight of the fact that we can't ever guarantee that our children will remain safe and healthy. I wish we could. But masks really are not going to do this for us, unfortunately.

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SengaStrawberry · 13/08/2020 10:19

@Frazzled13

It’s so weird that people get so passionate about how we shouldn’t complain about them.

It's bizarre. I don't understand all the negative comments. OP is wearing a mask but doesn't like them. Isn't it normal, when forced to do something you don't like, to wonder how long you'll have to do it for? I don't like masks, but I wear mine and I wear it properly, am I not allowed to think "this is a bit shit, I wonder how long it will last" without someone telling me how much I'd hate a ventilator?

Exactly. I wear them, I don’t moan, but the less time it goes on the better and I can’t wait to bin them. Not sure what’s “selfish” about that? Selfish would be if I just didn’t bother wearing one.
Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 13/08/2020 10:21

I want to know when too OP. You're getting far too hard a time on here.

Michaelschofield · 13/08/2020 10:27

I don’t wear one as I don’t think it’s necessary.

DianaT1969 · 13/08/2020 10:27

OP, your area did well with compliance during lockdown, buy don't you ever have visitors to the area? If visitors with Covid spend time in your area but wear a mask it may decrease the risk of transmission to locals.
The UK was being watched by other countries we want to do business with and agree travel bridges. Can you see that if the UK hadn't introduced masks we would have been seen as reckless? That would have further hurt our economy. Before someone points to Sweden as an example, Sweden only has 8 million people to track and trace, compared to our 70+ million.
UK residents of popular holiday destinations, such as Cornwall and the Lake District, probably feel a little better about hordes of visitors descending on them if they wear masks while in indoor public spaces.
Perhaps the use of masks will become a decision for local authorities and be based on numbers, but it isn't yet.

Chanjer · 13/08/2020 10:29

The reason people don't like to hear others whine about it is the same as any other "all in it together" scenario

Some people don't feel as confident as they portray themselves and hearing others moan all the time strikes a chord with them that they don't want to explore. Someone who might scream "CALM DOWN" at you Grin

Nobody wants to wear one, yeah it's pretty shit compared to not wearing one, but it's literally like that for everyone, hearing repeatedly about how bad it is is pretty dispiriting

PhilSwagielka · 13/08/2020 10:43

I'll be glad when I have to stop wearing one, because it's a pain in the arse and my glasses steam up.

ihatefacemasks · 13/08/2020 10:43

DIana, yes, I see that. However, if this is a reason, why not communicate this?

I think most things are tolerable, even if loathsome, if one has an idea how long they are likely to go on for. Even people in prison are given an indication of how long they're going to be in there for.

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Chanjer · 13/08/2020 10:45

Why set people up for disappointment?

Like when he said we'll see the back of this in X weeks, and that was X months ago

Statements like that come and bite you in the arse

ihatefacemasks · 13/08/2020 10:48

Chanjer, indeed they do. It would be crazy to say "Covid will have gone away by January 23rd 2021, and you can stop wearing masks then".

Covid is not going anywhere, any more than flu is going anywhere. We will just have to live with it rumbling away in the background. But we surely can't be expected to wear masks for ever? That's why I think we need an indication of when we can stop.

For those who think masks are a good idea, I suspect this would also have the advantage of increasing compliance. As I say, people can and will put up with most discomfort if they know there is an end point. Even if the end point is "when there is a vaccine" (thought I bloody well hope it's not going to be then, or we might be wearing them forever!)

OP posts:
user1471500037 · 13/08/2020 11:00

I don't ear one now - resist

user1471500037 · 13/08/2020 11:01

Masks are optional

luckylavender · 13/08/2020 11:03

This is about the millioneth thread on the same subject. No one likes them, no one knows. We just have to suck it up. It's a small sacrifice.