Institutional Racism in our policing - Dawn Butler MP

[AuntyPasta]

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/09/labour-mp-dawn-butler-stopped-by-police-in-london

The police stopped the car being driven by her friend (she was a passenger.) Unlike the elite athletes stopped with their 3 month old baby in the car www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos she’s had an apology.

AIBU to think that if she wasn’t an MP the police would be sticking by their ‘reasonable suspicion’? Is that what it takes to be dealt with fairly by the police?

It's ridiculous...systemic racism continues.

The police take a chance they'll find a black criminal hence the prison's have a disproportionate amount of black men both here and in the USA ....quite simply because they're targeted where white people are not.

Someone also assumed she was a cleaner based on being black about a year back.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-35685169

@MistressMounthaven

Do you think anyone should be stopped and searched without due cause?

Comparing the UK to the USA is ridiculous.

[quote MistressMounthaven]@chomalungma
'But police need a valid reason to stop someone.'

Ahh, now what do you suggest that should be. They are waving a carving knife out of the window? They are waving a handgun about?
Speeding (tricky in central London)?[/quote]
So you think anyone should be stopped and searched?

Is that the kind of state you want to live in?

Do you think anyone should be stopped and searched without due cause?

Yes. I was stopped one night, 2am, on the way home from a friends. I think they said they were looking for someone but how would they ever catch burglars, drug dealers if they had to wait for them to commit a crime before they could stop and speak to them. How would they catch drunks etc

How would you polce London chomalunga ?

Well luckily we don't live in a country where anyone can be stopped by the police and searched without reason.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-47475566

How would you polce London chomalunga

I wouldn't alienate a population by stopping and searching anyone at random.

Would you?

@MistressMounthaven

Do you think anyone should be stopped and searched without due cause?

Yes. I was stopped one night, 2am, on the way home from a friends. I think they said they were looking for someone but how would they ever catch burglars, drug dealers if they had to wait for them to commit a crime before they could stop and speak to them. How would they catch drunks etc

So, we should assume people are going to commit crimes anyway so lets just treat them like criminals.

What crime do you think I was going to commit when I walked down the road wearing prescription glasses?

[quote chomalungma]Well luckily we don't live in a country where anyone can be stopped by the police and searched without reason.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-47475566[/quote]
Sadly a lot of police officers carry out illegal stop and searches.

Sadly a lot of police officers carry out illegal stop and searches

Where does it say that?

@MistressMounthaven

Sadly a lot of police officers carry out illegal stop and searches

Where does it say that?

It doesn’t that in the article. I, a brown man have been subjected to multiple illegal searches, I’m not the only one, its a common problem.

What crime do you think I was going to commit when I walked down the road wearing prescription glasses?

Crimes against fashion? Were they especially horrid?

90 people were stabbed in London in 2019. Probably mostly young men.

What's the answer?

@SmileEachDay

What crime do you think I was going to commit when I walked down the road wearing prescription glasses?

Crimes against fashion? Were they especially horrid?

They’re great glasses, I mean, unless they were supplied by Q they’re not going to kill anyone or shoot any cool laser beams.

@MistressMounthaven

90 people were stabbed in London in 2019. Probably mostly young men.

What's the answer?

The answer is not to stop and search everyone.

Is your answer to stop and search everyone?

Who would you stop and search?

@MistressMounthaven

90 people were stabbed in London in 2019. Probably mostly young men.

What's the answer?

Yeah, because searching me for wearing glasses definitely stopped a stabbing.

90 people were stabbed in London in 2019. Probably mostly young men

What's the answer?

Education outreach by the police and health services - funding for that has disappeared.

Preventing poverty - again, that’s not going well.

The decolonisation of curriculum in schools -we need to show youth from all ethnicities their history and literature. Give everyone a sense of belonging.

That’s the short version. There’s loads more.

Stop and search won’t help. Intervention has to be proactive and preventative.

Well stop and search removes weapons from the streets - although not very successfully . Local policing ie bobbies on the beat might help. I ranted about the Mayor of London not doing anything about the stabbings on another thread and someone came back with a list of all the funding that had gone into sports initiatives, youth groups, education. So some of this is happening but it's not making a significant difference.

My view is coming down harder on drug users and then the dealers is the only way. There is sooo much money in drug dealing and the stabbings are to do with turf wars. And the county lines. Poverty will be a big influence but many kids come from caring homes, but the chance of quick money is too hard to resist, or they are being coerced into it.

Well stop and search removes weapons from the streets - although not very successfully

Do you think that randomly stopping and searching people without just cause may fuel resentment and a lack of co-operation and 'intelligence sharing' with local police?

stop and search

Stopping a car is not the same as stop and search. DB and the driver were not searched and neither was the car. That wasn't the point of stopping the car.

The police explanation, according to DB, was that the car was registered in another part of the country 'Yorkshire'. I don't think we see this part of the conversation in DB's edited video? It could be that there are good reasons why the police suspected that the car might not be legal, for example that it was stolen or had cloned number plates. We just don't know enough, because we haven't seen the full conversation.

Why should she be stopped?
Why should anyone just going about their lawful business in a lawful manner be stopped?

Their excuse wasn't even as good as the racist amercian cops used to use "tail light's out" or "forgot your blinker on that turn back there". Just "oh, noticed you're from out of town".

And white people are like "well, yeah, that's legit".

What. The. Fuck.

I agree stop and search breeds resentment but the Gov wants low crime figures without putting in the funding - your options would take years.
If the gov wanted to stop it I'm sure they could pass legislation But easier to let it run as it reduces crime and the police take all the flak as the racist bad guys.

Flaxmeadow

Would you expect to be stopped and questioned by police each time you leave your home area? On the sole basis of having left your home area? No other reason?

No more peaceful hols for you, eh?

I agree stop and search breeds resentment

Especially if you are in an ethnic group that is a gadzillion times more likely to be stopped than the majority.