To think schools should not reopen in Sept?

[SusanFrimp]

I think that schools should not fully reopen in September and instead be partially reopened to some years. It is just not safe enough to reopen yet. I'd say December at the latest for full reopening. If they can't reopen other smaller places, how can they reopen schools with 1000's of kids? AIBU?

One solution is if you are concerned you could keep your child off and then let everyone make their own decisions?

@AnotherEmma

Well that's quite a list of orders I've been argued with and insulted quite a bit on mumsnet but I don't think I've ever been ordered around like that before, turns out there's a first for everything even after years on mumsnet

(Er no, not going to watch it, can't be arsed, did lots of reading/watching at the start of lockdown and it damaged my mental health, but thanks anyway! I'm off for a cold shower.)

Well you obviously can't be arsed to be that bothered about the safe return of children and adults to school.

@ilovepuggies

One solution is if you are concerned you could keep your child off and then let everyone make their own decisions?

Sounds ideal in principle but then if less than half of the children attend in person for extended periods then possibly the school and staffing like offices (Covid incubators) are not going to be used much nor required.

It will be safer with less children attending in school schooling as I think the whole issue is that schools are not designed to cater for as many children in a pandemic where you essentially need to at least double (if not much more) of everything - physical indoor space, classroom sizes, number of teachers etc etc.

Those brave parents who risked sending their children in recently before the summer holidays should feel some sort of gratitude towards those that home schooled (despite the simultaneous working from home issues) and not be telling them to stay away forever or de register (funding implications?).

@echt

many teachers are just not capable of independent teaching it seems

Every child who was being taught by a teacher who funded their own laptop to do so was getting a sweet deal.

Ah well it wasn’t the kids lack of laptops it was the teachers! Another new excuse - there were plenty of those from the teachers during the lockdown, refreshing change of direction, if not a bit disappointing. If the teachers can’t teach by distance which our teachers have proved incapable of doing, they need to either show up physically or resign!

Yeah, good luck with that post Christmas.
There's already a dire shortage of teachers. Who the hell so you think will teach your child if there are that many resignations?

CallmeAngelina

No point they are baiting.

Yep. Let's go...

Gosh, parents and teachers need to support and respect each other. In an ideal world all children would be returning to school in sept, unfortunately we don’t live in such a world, so for now, we need to do what is best in a bad situation. I can imagine a fair amount of teaching having not pulled their weight and had a long holiday... Equally, I can imagine And know many many teachers who have worked crazy hard throughout... this happens in all sectors of work.

@year5teacher

YABU, we really need to get children back in school, I’m not saying I’m satisfied that the government have put enough in place to ensure that schools will remain open... but we really, really need to open in September whether you like it or not, I’m afraid

I'm sure they will open. And, without better precautions, will close very quickly. Whether you like it or not.

@CallmeAngelina

Yeah, good luck with that post Christmas. There's already a dire shortage of teachers. Who the hell so you think will teach your child if there are that many resignations?

No one is teaching my child at the moment anyway. No teaching during lockdown - if the schools don't open and the teachers continue with their lack of engagement in distance learning, what difference would it make if those teachers resigned - they are not teaching anyway.

Wrong thread whoops

Glad to see 82% yabu.

If you don't want to send your kid back, then deregister them and home school. Why stop other children getting an much needed education and stop their parents getting back to work.

For all those parents who think teachers are just moaning rather than being concerned about the Government guidelines on how schools should reopen, have you seen the news this morning about the surprise announcement on how exams can be graded? Announced at about 11pm last night with 24 hours to go before A-level results are announced.

This is the sort of knee jerk reaction and ill thought out plan that schools/teachers are having to put up with from the Government. This is why they are concerned about the schools reopening in the way Government want and this is why they are concerned that as soon as the schools reopen they will be closing again with no Plan B from the Government and no funding for the schools to come up with a Plan B.

My DC’s of my friends in the US go back to school next week. Their school is having everyone in class 8am - 11am Mon - Thurs. Each afternoon and Friday is zoom classes. Whilst in school all children to wear masks.

I am starting to think that they should go back part time, every day, but half the class morning and half afternoon, so that they can sd. I think we're doomed with them sending them back as normal with no measures in place tbh. Maybe not now but once the winter bugs start hitting it will be chaos, not knowing what we're dealing with.

@ineedaholidaynow

For all those parents who think teachers are just moaning rather than being concerned about the Government guidelines on how schools should reopen, have you seen the news this morning about the surprise announcement on how exams can be graded? Announced at about 11pm last night with 24 hours to go before A-level results are announced.

This is the sort of knee jerk reaction and ill thought out plan that schools/teachers are having to put up with from the Government. This is why they are concerned about the schools reopening in the way Government want and this is why they are concerned that as soon as the schools reopen they will be closing again with no Plan B from the Government and no funding for the schools to come up with a Plan B.

I agree with you I am concerned that this Gov have not thought this through but I am also concerned that my dcs have not been taught for 4 months - I get that most schools made a better effort than ours but still my concern remains - if they don't go back in Sept, my dcs will not get taught....again! I have written to the HT and our MP expressing my concerns - not that it will do any good.

Teachers want schools to open, they just want them to open safely and stay open or have a proper plan B in place if they can’t stay open.

What year groups are your DC @Shalaalaa?

It is wrong that some schools did not provide work during lockdown, as a school governor I would not have been impressed if my schools hadn’t done anything. But again this can be blamed on the Government as they gave no guidance to schools and in fact said the curriculum had been suspended.

This is the sort of knee jerk reaction and ill thought out plan that schools/teachers are having to put up with from the Government. This is why they are concerned about the schools reopening in the way Government want and this is why they are concerned that as soon as the schools reopen they will be closing again with no Plan B from the Government and no funding for the schools to come up with a Plan

This.

I cannot believe how ridiculous this is! Aren't students supposed to improve on mock figures?

I was also shocked beyond belief that schools found out about the closure in March at the same time as parents. Shows a complete lack of respect for the teaching professionals and I am not a teacher. Plus all the changes to guidance, backtracking on plans, manipulating unpublished reports to suit their agenda and than dissing same research when they got it wrong.
Just like they took the decision to make patient masks compulsory without consulting senior medical advisers.
I absolutely despair

Sorry looks like I missed out some of the quote. The you can use mocks redukts if you eant u turn.

ineedaholidaynow

For all those parents who think teachers are just moaning rather than being concerned about the Government guidelines on how schools should reopen, have you seen the news this morning about the surprise announcement on how exams can be graded? Announced at about 11pm last night with 24 hours to go before A-level results are announced.

No thanks

@EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide

I am starting to think that they should go back part time, every day, but half the class morning and half afternoon, so that they can sd. I think we're doomed with them sending them back as normal with no measures in place tbh. Maybe not now but once the winter bugs start hitting it will be chaos, not knowing what we're dealing with.

What should working parents do in this scenario?

@SueEllenMishke would work better for Secondary School pupils, but that is probably going to be where the main problems are going to be anyway

Yeah half days for secondary not going to be much of a concern for working parents. They may get more of an education that way due to smalker bubbles. However I imagine it would be impossible to organise due to the different options taken.