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To think schools should not reopen in Sept?

711 replies

SusanFrimp · 09/08/2020 14:15

I think that schools should not fully reopen in September and instead be partially reopened to some years. It is just not safe enough to reopen yet. I'd say December at the latest for full reopening. If they can't reopen other smaller places, how can they reopen schools with 1000's of kids? AIBU?

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Nicknacky · 09/08/2020 22:28

FrippEnos Oh dear, seem to hit a nerve. And swearing and saying I’m lying? I’ve seen you on many many teacher threads and I thank my lucky stars you aren’t my kids teacher.

Nicknacky · 09/08/2020 22:29

FrippEnos You aren’t able to offer a solution because you know there isn’t one. Nothing to do with being an “adult”.

FrippEnos · 09/08/2020 22:31

Nicknacky

And now the personal attacks.

It just proves that you have nothing to say.
and yes you are lying.

I thank my lucky stars you aren’t my kids teacher.

Really is that the best that you have got?

echt · 09/08/2020 22:31

Oh, and still no solutions offered as to what we do with out children?

It is not up to teachers to solve the problem. It is up to government.

Nicknacky · 09/08/2020 22:31

Personal attacks 😂.

Aye, very good.

mbosnz · 09/08/2020 22:32

I don't think it's unreasonable for teachers (and everybody else that works in a school) to want to feel that they have a safe working environment, for their students, and for themselves.

If you are honest, would you be okay with anything less?

FrippEnos · 09/08/2020 22:33

Nicknacky

A solution for who?

I could provide a solution for you but that would mean knowing all of your details. Neither of us wants that.

As for supplying a solution for everybody. No such thing exists as we all have different situations.

somebody is going to lose out.

mbosnz · 09/08/2020 22:33

And our child care problems are not teachers to solve. Many of them have similar problems they are juggling.

FrippEnos · 09/08/2020 22:34

@Nicknacky

Personal attacks 😂.

Aye, very good.

Was the

I thank my lucky stars you aren’t my kids teacher.

Aimed at anyone else?

ineedaholidaynow · 09/08/2020 22:36

I don't think I have seen one teacher say they don't want to teach children but they want everyone to be safe.

So 2 positive tests in a "bubble' (which could be made up of 250 children with some staff mixed in) can be classified as an outbreak and could lead to that year group or indeed school closing for 2 weeks. Reports are coming out that secondary school age children are very good at spreading the virus, so let's be realistic, especially in areas where the rate is rising this is going to happen quite often, especially if the only real measure put in place is more hand washing.

If social distancing/blended learning is put in place there may be more chance of 'bubbles not bursting' and teachers not catching the virus from the pupils and so teaching can carry on in some form.

Nicknacky · 09/08/2020 22:36

*FrippsEnos” Trust me, you couldn’t find a solution. Just have some empathy for parents who are juggling like crazy and also work in areas where they aren’t “safe” and are getting utterly irritated by teachers going on about it when the rest of the world are going to work and getting on with it and making it work.

echt · 09/08/2020 22:36

Personal attacks 😂.Aye, very good

Well yes, it was.

You had pop at an (ascribed) denigratory personal characteristic, not an attitude. Analysing argument 101.

mbosnz · 09/08/2020 22:37

For Christ on a goddamned Crutches sake, the teachers aren't the bloody enemy. They are allowed to be worried about their health, their family's health, and social transmission. As are those who are not teachers.

We all have different risk levels, due to very personal circumstances.

Nicknacky · 09/08/2020 22:37

FrippsEnos That wasn’t a personal attack at all. I’ve thought it on many threads when I’ve seen your negative posting. I’m genuinely glad you aren’t.

FrippEnos · 09/08/2020 22:39

@Nicknacky

FrippsEnos That wasn’t a personal attack at all. I’ve thought it on many threads when I’ve seen your negative posting. I’m genuinely glad you aren’t.
Again a personal attack.

As for empathy I have already posted upthread about that, its a shame that you can't offer others the same courtesy.

Tootletum · 09/08/2020 22:40

Nothing will ever be safe. So just get on with it.

HipTightOnions · 09/08/2020 22:42

Nothing will ever be safe. So just get on with it.

Why does this only apply to schools, and not to any other workplace?

Watdafark · 09/08/2020 22:44

@Tootletum How does one "get on with it" when we end up in an even worse mess then?

mbosnz · 09/08/2020 22:47

Just get on with it.

Does that apply to your grandma' in the resthome too?

How about your daughter who is lucky enough to have a waiting job in a pub, where they''re not bothered to provide PPE?

Your Doctor? Dentist? Hairdresser?

Do, just get on with it. So long as it's someone that's not your family that's likely to suffer as a result. Is that it?

FortniteBoysMum · 09/08/2020 22:56

Sorry but totally disagree. I have a 10 year old with ASD. Since lock down his developed severe OCD and cannot touch anything his brother has as he thinks he will die. I need him back at school and into routine in the hope he will snap out of this once back to our version of normal. It could be months before camhs assess him and without school to give me a break I'm worried it will impack my own mental health. After constant battles for 8 years pushing for his diagnosis which we are on the cusp of getting I fear no school will tip us over the edge. 6 months out of school for a child with additional needs who's waiting on an ehcp so is getting no support is far too long let alone dragging it out further.

Tunnocks34 · 09/08/2020 23:03

As a teacher I don’t agree. Schools need to open, kids need to come back.

Do I feel safe? Not really. Our school has done all it can do, kids not moving classes, I’ll be going from room to room (which is a nightmare in itself to be honest) but the fact is these kids have to get the same school bus to school, or they walk to school together. They hang out at the weekend and they attend the same extra curricular clubs.

I don’t know what the alternative is to be honest - I half think the bubble idea is nonsense, kids should be given masks to walk round room to room and their should be sanitiser in place in corridors and classrooms.

Fact is though, the guidance were given in minimal. The money were given is minimal - the government have dressed up giving more money to schools but neglect to mention the grants they have taken away.

Pepperwort · 09/08/2020 23:15

I'd like regular testing to be in place in schools. I don't know why the schools minister is against that.

yikesanotherbooboo · 09/08/2020 23:18

My children are past school leavers age but I strongly believer that schools need to reopen and get the young people back into education. I totally understand the teachers' qualms but think that it is our national duty now to prioritise our children and do what is best for them. That is part of being civilised. Ok , some families can provide opportunities at home, but there are
Many families who do not have choices and their children are deserving of our support.
I am a plump front line worker of fairly advanced years so have a personal understanding of fear around COVID but we do need to encourage our young children to re

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 09/08/2020 23:35

As a mum (with primary age child) and concerned about Covid safety but understanding the educational and other related childcare and social development needs for return to traditional in person schooling - would any of teachers (and parents) believe this can be done using just existing school infrastructure and current human resourcing without some sort of regular testing in addition to all Covid risk mitigation measures?

Do teaching staff also believe schools will initially reopen but will possibly face repeat disruptive closures when transmission is detected? Presumably there is no such thing as a safe mass multi household bubble too and that the weak link is the journey in and out of school for pupils and staff especially exposure to busy shared public transportation?

Pepperwort · 09/08/2020 23:37

I'm expecting that the very first thing that will happen when schools go back is Freshers Flu tbh. It'll be difficult figuring out which virus is causing it!