To think schools should not reopen in Sept?

[SusanFrimp]

I think that schools should not fully reopen in September and instead be partially reopened to some years. It is just not safe enough to reopen yet. I'd say December at the latest for full reopening. If they can't reopen other smaller places, how can they reopen schools with 1000's of kids? AIBU?

@formerbabe

Im still waiting for the big summer catch up we were told would be happening, or did I imagine that?

No you didn’t. I was just saying about that yesterday. More Bozo bullshit.

Yes I take everything he says with a pinch of salt

I'm back at work in a court from the week after my kids go back. If schools don't go back that's even more delays to hearings so the majority of mine and my colleagues jobs would need to be taken over by childless people. The impact on the economy has been horrific and further delay to school opening will be felt for decades. I'm assuming this is a deliberately goady post because I don't understand how anyone with both children and a job has managed during the last term and a half before lockdown, it's been brutal and my own mental health and that of my children's still hadn't recovered.

I presume Boris Johnson will soon have finished building our special pandemic proof schools - that is what he's been doing isnt it? Cos every time theres been a picture of him the last month he's been on a construction site wearing a hard hat and overalls. "Love me everyone!" "Love me!" Yes I know you can't go out anywhere, your kids can't go to school, and you might lose your job . But I'm Boris, and DOm and I are World Beaters Just Love me!!!!"

I hope the extra bucks for Pizza Express and Nandos (eAt Out to Help oUT!) will be worth it when schools close after one month.

I agree OP but not December as height of flu season but spring next year when hopefully case numbers or a vaccine will make things far safer. Children may not get it as badly but they do get it and it’s the staff and family members who are at risk from such huge gatherings.

I wonder to all those wanting childcare work in a place with no PPE/SD in a room of thirty plus people? Somehow I doubt it.

Everyone wants children to go back to school.

The sensible majority want it to be done Covid safely. Not sure why so many people have a problem with that.

You who want your DCs back in school should write to Boris and tell him to supply PPE and cash for extra cleaning in schools. Plus extra teachers because almost as soon as they open people will have to isolate. Schools will close without enough teachers to run them.

There will be classes told to stay home, parents need to realise that and be prepared.

Exactly @FlySheMust

@GinPin2

What do you suggest as an alternative, then? How do I pay my mortgage if I don't go to work? Where will my son go every day?

Things have to go back to normal at some point. It'll be much worse for everyone if we don't.

I doubt unlike emergency Nightingale hospitals will there be any additional much needed extra school infrastructure. Not sure how the enlarged multi households super bubbles are going to work without necessary social distancing and appropriate PPE etc. Plus the travelling in and out of school for children and adult teachers will be the potential weak Covid risk link.

[quote EuphegeniaDoubtfire]@GinPin2

What do you suggest as an alternative, then? How do I pay my mortgage if I don't go to work? Where will my son go every day?

Things have to go back to normal at some point. It'll be much worse for everyone if we don't. [/quote]
What about the mortgages of staff who may fall very ill as they have been forced to work in conditions of no PPE/SD or the families who are vulnerable/were shielding?

It’s not about personal circumstances, it’s about what’s best and safe for everyone.

Look, schools have to reopen as we do need to be getting back to normal.

I say that as someone who thought schools should shut at lockdown, and not reopen until September. I also say that as someone who works in a school (not teaching) and who caught COVID from a sick, coughing child whom I had to look after for half an hour until parents could collect.

I do think schools reopening is going to see a rise in infections but yes, they have to open now. For the children's sake, for their education, for the economy so that parents can actually get back to work, for all sorts of reasons.....

We have to face this pandemic and get on with life, we were put on hold for the immediate crisis but now we have to work towards some sort of normality.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss - are you saying you don’t think schools should go back until the Spring?

What are children and working parents meant to do until then?

YABU-schools need to open and pupils need to have some normality. I can't wait to be back in my classroom. I have really missed it. It will be different. When we went back in June (in Wales) I wasnt in my room and we had so few pupils in. I hope we can teach as much as possible before a second wave comes. I really didn't enjoy teaching remotely.

I'd like to see Schools re opened to all in a SUSTAINABLE way.
For me, it would make sense to have all year groups in for 3/4 days a week. I appreciate that is a problem for employment and childcare.
And that kids are missing some of their education.
But I do think that would be more sustainable than trying to get all kids in full time straight away and keep them in all winter.
I have a Y11 and a Y7 and I don't want next year to be stop / start.
I also don't think the track and trace or testing systems are ready.

Yes, people have died, we knew this would happen, strange that combined deaths of everything are down this year

@Devlesko I would love to see of that. Ythey may have been down for a few weeks recently but that's because COVID already got tbe most vulnerable in care homes.

Schools not opening will have far greater impact than schools opening in that regard.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss I don't wear PPE at work and probably come into contact with 30+ people a day. We're not all terrified of coronavirus. Perspective is needed.

If staff feel safer with PPE then by all means they should be allowed to wear it but schools need to be open and we need to stop being so terrified of a virus that is mild for the vast majority of people.

Yes they need to fully reopen in September. I have to go back to work from then and have no other care for my DD, and I cannot work from home. It's that or we're homeless.

And I fail to see anyone who is bleating "school isn't childcare" actually coming up with alternative solutions for the childcare issue. No, school isn't childcare but the fact is that people work while their children are at school.

Try about 63500 excess deaths this year @Devlesko. This will probably go down a bit

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@IceCreamAndCandyfloss I don't wear PPE at work and probably come into contact with 30+ people a day. We're not all terrified of coronavirus. Perspective is needed.

If staff feel safer with PPE then by all means they should be allowed to wear it but schools need to be open and we need to stop being so terrified of a virus that is mild for the vast majority of people.[/quote]
I'm furloughed. There are 5 of us in my office and only one person is in working at the moment

So if everyone is on your office there are five max which presumable allows for distancing. If there are visitors that make up the others then they have to follow Covid safe protocols in offices,

So absolutely nothing like schools I imagine.

@formerbabe

Im still waiting for the big summer catch up we were told would be happening, or did I imagine that?

It will probably turn up about the same time as all of those laptops that were promised.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@IceCreamAndCandyfloss I don't wear PPE at work and probably come into contact with 30+ people a day. We're not all terrified of coronavirus. Perspective is needed.

If staff feel safer with PPE then by all means they should be allowed to wear it but schools need to be open and we need to stop being so terrified of a virus that is mild for the vast majority of people.[/quote]
Absolutely this.

I will be teaching groups of university students with no PPE come September.

I live in the NW and we currently have additional restrictions in place. However, according to the ward data published this week there have been no cases in our ward for at least 28 days and the numbers recorded overall since March have been extremely low ( around 60 cases in a population of 11,000, peaking in April) To not open our local school would be criminal.

I'm a governor at my son's school and all staff are really keen to get all year groups back full time. They're all amazing and the head teacher brilliant.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss my office is attached to a factory, I'm in manufacturing. I have to go into the factory often and there are about 100 staff in there.